Rumour GFC 2021 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists... Part II

[Hinkley29]

“We’re talking about practice , not the game , practice , practice”
Just the attitude you want from your franchise player

You do know that footage was fake, right?

Google "Allen Iverson practice" for the original

 

[00VicWard001]

Can they hurry this draft up? Seemingly still ages away.

Has it always been this much time between season and draft? It feels very stretched out this time

 

[ShaunWDT]

Has it always been this much time between season and draft? It feels very stretched out this time

Its always been the last week of November

 

[BORIS332]

You're looking at this through a narrow lens though. Knightmare said Schlensog has improved out of sight this season, and he currently has him as his second best KPD in the draft this season - behind just Gibcus.

There have been numerous articles attesting to this improvement, and we have also stated that we are publicly interested in him. Now given that we are very very light on for ready-made KPD's, he would a fill a role almost immediately (especially if SDK doesn't show enough to take a spot straight away this season).

Another thing, we did the mock draft, and it showed something very telling - that once you get past Richmond's 3 picks in a row in the 20's, talent gets speculative and there's not much difference between someone drafted at 50 or 35.

So for example, if moving up allowed us to take Tom Brown, Darcy Wilmot, Rhett Bazzo, Leek Aleer, Mitch Knevitt, or even an unexpected slider like an Arlo Draper or a Tyler Sonsie (very unlikely but you never know with this interrupted year) - wouldn't that be preferable?

What it boils down to, is taking Schlensog not only gives us a ready made player who knows our system, knows the players and coaches and the area and has improved out of sight, but it also gives us a chance to get a vastly better player than two speculative picks in the 30's that may or may not work out.

If we traded Pick 32 and 34 to the Dogs for say Pick 23 and a Future 3rd for example, then we could get a Brown/Knevitt/Wilmot type, Schlensog and a Future 3rd. If we don't, based on our mock draft, we end up with Alastair Lord and Jack Williams.

So what would you rather?

Brown/Knevitt/Wilmot, Schlensog and a Future 3rd

or

Williams and Lord?

Because I am taking option 1 every day of the week.

You’re talking as if Schlensog isn’t a speculative pick. He’s 21, what makes you think he’s a ready made player? He hasn’t shown any more than what Skinner, Alleer, Dean have.

Also, you’re heavily underestimating how much it will cost us to move up the order. It won’t be 32 and 34 with 23 and a future third coming back. As we’ve seen with Richmond/Collingwood, we’ll need to net the Dogs an extra 600pts or so. It’s more likely to be 32, 34 and 50 for 23.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

You’re talking as if Schlensog isn’t a speculative pick. He’s 21, what makes you think he’s a ready made player? He hasn’t shown any more than what Skinner, Alleer, Dean have.

Also, you’re heavily underestimating how much it will cost us to move up the order. It won’t be 32 and 34 with 23 and a future third coming back. As we’ve seen with Richmond/Collingwood, we’ll need to net the Dogs an extra 600pts or so. It’s more likely to be 32, 34 and 50 for 23.

He can be speculative and still a better choice than pick 50

 

[Big little cat]

I wouldn't be surprised if the dogs aren't making inquiries around Schlensog.

 

[Tristan34]

I hope if Taylor is available at our first pick its a no brainer... I think he will go early though...

 

[Two Planks]

https://www.afl.com.au/news/686220

I want him.

The last guy we got from Oak Park went ok

 

[Shadow89]

You’re talking as if Schlensog isn’t a speculative pick. He’s 21, what makes you think he’s a ready made player? He hasn’t shown any more than what Skinner, Alleer, Dean have.

Also, you’re heavily underestimating how much it will cost us to move up the order. It won’t be 32 and 34 with 23 and a future third coming back. As we’ve seen with Richmond/Collingwood, we’ll need to net the Dogs an extra 600pts or so. It’s more likely to be 32, 34 and 50 for 23.

You're being pretty negative here though, and not acknowledging any of what I've said - form guides, articles written about him (by people with much more knowledge about his improvement this year), assessment by Knightmare as the second best available KPD etc.

Not to mention, all of the Dogs' picks will be eaten, and we'd be offering them a way to grab Darcy and get another two second rounders (by trading out and back in), for a pick that would be swallowed anyway, and a likely pick in the 50's next year (or just Pick 23 alone).

Either way, the Dogs were just one example of a team we could trade with, and their situation is quite different given the Tigers really wanted that Pick 27 as it gave them 3 picks in a row, and Collingwood and the Dogs are at opposite ends of the ladder, so getting more from their picks means less to them. Not to mention that we're the only team left after the Tigers with two picks in that range, so we don't really have that much competition either.

Look we'll leave it there, because we've had some good discussion around this in the past, and I think you're actually pretty insightful when it comes to the whole draft discussion (and we're clearly on opposite sides of this).

We'll see what happens, and we'll have our answer within the next few weeks anyway

 

[Warhorse]

You’re talking as if Schlensog isn’t a speculative pick. He’s 21, what makes you think he’s a ready made player? He hasn’t shown any more than what Skinner, Alleer, Dean have.

Also, you’re heavily underestimating how much it will cost us to move up the order. It won’t be 32 and 34 with 23 and a future third coming back. As we’ve seen with Richmond/Collingwood, we’ll need to net the Dogs an extra 600pts or so. It’s more likely to be 32, 34 and 50 for 23.

Schlensog was the premier non AFL key position defender. His season went downhill when he was moved to play key forward.

He had a much better season than SDK and Krueger and we are talking about SDK playing next year. As for the other names, Skinner is a no. Would love to grab Alleer. Schlensog and Dean are comparable talents imo.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

You’re talking as if Schlensog isn’t a speculative pick. He’s 21, what makes you think he’s a ready made player? He hasn’t shown any more than what Skinner, Alleer, Dean have.

Also, you’re heavily underestimating how much it will cost us to move up the order. It won’t be 32 and 34 with 23 and a future third coming back. As we’ve seen with Richmond/Collingwood, we’ll need to net the Dogs an extra 600pts or so. It’s more likely to be 32, 34 and 50 for 23.

I dont disagree with that but i dont think the trade up issue impacts on schlensog as a DFA all that much. For example if we were desperate to take him now as a DFA and we cant/dont want to move up the draft order you just flick pick 50 to a club for their future 3rd or 4th and take 4 picks and schlensog. Its not that hard to create the list spot in that way.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

What draft pick is Matthew Johnson likely to get drafted ?

He looks really strong over the ball, has a bit of pace... Looks a bit better than Knevitt, in the skills department.

Wont go top 5 (top 5 is pretty set) but anywhere from 6 to about 16 id say. Both freo and wce will be strongly considering him for their top 10 picks id imagine as will essendon and st kilda and port. I doubt he gets past richmond at 15 at worst.

 

[Farmer2Goggin]

You do know that footage was fake, right?

Google "Allen Iverson practice" for the original

Damn - didn’t realise that
Thanks for pointing that out

 

[Drunkcat]

I think this draft is the best lotto draft we have had, Will be so many hits and misses you could get a gem from pick 30 on. I don't think it's that strong

 

[bellpark]

The talk is his kicking is very ordinary, this true?

in the games I’ve seen no his kicking is good. Overall, he is a great package but that apparently is not the thing. I’m pretty lost on why a killer inside explosive mid with good skills and elite leadership skills is no good.

 

[BORIS332]

in the games I’ve seen no his kicking is good. Overall, he is a great package but that apparently is not the thing. I’m pretty lost on why a killer inside explosive mid with good skills and elite leadership skills is no good.

Do you know what position Stagg played for Glenelg U18s? He only averaged 24 disposals, which isn’t bad, but there’s a lot of players that averaged well into the 30s. Did he play forward a lot?

 

[Shooooltzey]

Do you know what position Stagg played for Glenelg U18s? He only averaged 24 disposals, which isn’t bad, but there’s a lot of players that averaged well into the 30s. Did he play forward a lot?

I think Stagg definitely has a lot of potential however I would let another club draft him. This is because he is almost identical to Quinton Narkle (this would also explain the average of 24 disposals due to lack of spread from the contest). Not that there is a problem with Narkle but from a Geelong point of view you can't really play two Narkle's in the same team due to the lack of spread from the contest and defensive application. I wouldn't mind him in the rookie draft but i imagine he is off the table at that point.

A player who I much prefer in that draft range is Ned Long. Could develop into player similar to Jack Steele or Josh Dunkley. Runs all day, strong in the contest, clean at ground level, smart and composed by hand in the contest, can apply a lot of defensive pressure and has really good goal sense at inside 50 stopages. The sort of player we need for life after Selwood.

Another very similar player to Stagg is James Willis. However I haven't really heard many people speak aboput Willis so I think it is much more likely that he makes it too our rookie selection. If Stagg is the type of player you want at our club then watch out for Willis.

 

[BORIS332]

This is from the Adelaide Advertiser re Stagg:

IMMANUEL COLLEGE (one player)
HUGH STAGG

Midfielder

Stagg was the SANFL under-18s best and fairest winner this season after impressive displays for Glenelg.

The Immanuel old scholar is a strong, well-built mid who can dominate in the contested ball area.

His skills and ball-use are slowly but surely developing and if he can continue to improve he could be a valuable AFL pickup.

And...

15. HUGH STAGG (17)
(Glenelg)
18, forward/midfielder, 180cm, 79kg
RP: 123 (Under-18)

Strong, powerful midfielder who loves winning the hard ball and making his presence felt in traffic. Stagg is a high-energy player who can tuck the ball under his arm and burst from stoppages with great intent. Can push forward and hit the scoreboard, as evident by his 23 goals at junior level this year, but there is some concern over his field kicking. Stagg had a combined 62 disposals, 32 contested possessions, 21 score involvements, 12 clearances and six goals in Rounds 8 and 9 of the under-18 season, two best-on-ground performances which earnt him a reserves call-up. The 18-year-old then booted five goals in his first two matches at the next level.

THE LATEST: Stagg continued to show his match-winning traits as the year went on - 36 disposals and six clearances in the midfield one week, 4.3 from 19 disposals the next. Apart from the strong performance against a makeshift Allies side, Stagg was unable to make his mark at national level, however. But clubs have been keen all year and, after he recorded the fifth-fastest 20m sprint nationally and claimed the McCallum Tomkins Medal as the best player in SANFL under-18s, Stagg, himself, confirmed it was Brisbane and the Bulldogs that have shown the most interest.

DRAFT RANGE: 50+

Edit: sounds like he has some flaws, but there's not many that can find the goals as much as he has. Certainly wouldn't be upset with us taking him with a late draft pick.

 

[BORIS332]

There’s been a little bit of carry on in SA about Alastair Lord being a bit of a bolter on the back of the above footage.

Here’s the latest write up:

Lord is moving fast - on the field, at the combine and up draft boards. After rejoining the state squad, he starred in the final two matches of the carnival, showing off his blistering speed and daring foot skills. Lord then recorded the quickest agility run of any prospect in the country at the combine, and was SA’s fifth-fastest in the 2km time trial. The Rostrevor student has some top-end traits that clubs really like and Norwood coach Jade Rawlings

Jade Rawlings

Age

47

Ht

196cm

Wt

97kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.9

3star

K

8.7

3star

HB

4.2

3star

M

5.9

5star

T

0.8

3star

G

0.6

4star

No current season stats available

D

4.6

1star

K

3.8

2star

HB

0.8

1star

M

2.6

3star

T

0.4

3star

G

1.8

5star

says he’s “the pick of our youngsters who will be picked up”.

 

[MacStradbroke]

There’s been a little bit of carry on in SA about Alastair Lord being a bit of a bolter on the back of the above footage.

Here’s the latest write up:

It’s a 10 second clip but he bounces the ball like he’s just learnt how to.

 

[CatRiot]

It’s a 10 second clip but he bounces the ball like he’s just learnt how to.

There’s been a little bit of carry on in SA about Alastair Lord being a bit of a bolter on the back of the above footage.

Here’s the latest write up:

I think Fejo Junior would be a better pick, with one of our later picks. Though this kid might develop too. I'd be okay with either with a late pick, but prefer Fejo Jnr, I think he has better footskills, agility and might be a fraction quicker.

 

[bellpark]

This is from the Adelaide Advertiser re Stagg:



And...



Edit: sounds like he has some flaws, but there's not many that can find the goals as much as he has. Certainly wouldn't be upset with us taking him with a late draft pick.

I think his overall professionalism, leadership and communication skills also have contributed to the interest - he seems to be getting better all the time, so perhaps some clubs feel he will thrive in a full time environment and keep improving. He rarely loses a one on one contest.

 

[calder_daddy]

If Alistair lords name was Alistair Jones we wouldn’t be talking about him on this board.

 

[calder_daddy]

There’s been a little bit of carry on in SA about Alastair Lord being a bit of a bolter on the back of the above footage.

Here’s the latest write up:

Kane Tenace 2.0
No thanks

 

[geelong_crazy26]

I think this draft is the best lotto draft we have had, Will be so many hits and misses you could get a gem from pick 30 on. I don't think it's that strong

apparently we have had interest from clubs lower regarding our trio of picks in the 30's.

what do posters on here feel would be a good deal to package them and move up??

i wonder if the club does have such an interest, it would be warded off till draft night live trading to potentially see if someone they really like is sitting there around that proposed lower pick.. i can imagine the phone calls would go something like

" we are keen to give you (x) pick for your 3 x 30's picks, what do you think?"

wells: " let's put a pin in that until draft night, and if certain names we rate highly are available at that pick, we will give you the call and put forward the trade".

with live trading, i feel doing it prematurely is potentially putting us at risk of not nabbing the player we potentially are after, and even giving off a warning to another club with a slightly lower pick about who we might be targeting and to nab them first.

live trading on the night takes the associated risk out of the equation for me if teams are wanting to have our trio of picks to move back, we need some security of player names available to do such a move.