Rumour GFC 2021 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists... Part II

[BORIS332]

My hopes:

1. Trade 32 + 34 for WB’s 23
2. Select Tom brown and zac taylor with 22 & 23
3. Select Alleer or Dean with 30
4. Macdonald or Judson Clark with our last pick
5. Stay away from knevitt. A tall lanky flat footed style in the mid is a red flag for mine

Agree on all above points.

 

[BORIS332]

Having list spots open to have the option to use in a mid season draft ..would be one way to go...especially if we feel there will be options missed.

Some have strong opinion on names in this thread... to be honest... I'm not fussed who we take.. thats the clubs job and business.. but on their head be it.

We must get two long term players from this draft, ideally better than just fringe. What we can not do is keep adding players to churn over and over. ...so just adding players to fill spots has little appeal to me....so if we fill the list they better work out. ..and even 22,23 and 30 are probably rubbery.

Id say if we get Brown somehow ..he is probably the least rubbery from what I have seen for those in that range... seem almost Pnp in style ..if he can cover ground well enough

On the bolded point, I think this has largely been driven by us drafting players with fairly significant flaws, hoping that we can turn them around, e.g. Cockatoo's injuries, Stephens injuries, Constable's running capacity, Taheny's attitude (rumour?). These players all had well-documented glaring flaws at the time of the draft, those same flaws stayed with them.

I think someone posted earlier in this thread that an NFL recruiter was trying to find bargain picks in the draft, and then quickly came to realise that injury prone players stay injured, etc. With the draft range we consistently find ourselves in it makes things harder, but I don't think we necessarily have to always take the high risk/reward option.

 

[Gee Class Loco]

To be honest, I don't think either sound like logical choices. We have a need for a KPD and KPF now, not in 5-7 years time when these draftees will be ready.

Yes i agree we need a CHB-FB now and even a forward especially if Sav doesn't work out. But more so a Tall defender is needed in 2022.
As for 5-7 years time for these players to be ready... I'll disagree with u there, I'd be more inclined to say 3-4 years time if they are any good.
But in saying that, if it does take that long(5-7 years) why wouldn't you draft one this year then?? Have we got those positions covered??

Cheers mate.

 

[Sire of Claude]

Boris says we have "no glaring needs" - no except for a few decent players!

I like Dean and Bazzo of the tall defenders likely to be available.

Agree Brown will be gone but Lewis Rayson won't be and there are several others Shifter mentioned in that category who look like prospects.

Mids - we don't need any more one-paced so-called mids. This rules out Matt Roberts and probably Knevitt too. Taylor, McDonald and several others with dash and skill may still be available. Above all, they must be able to get the ball: thus if they can't average 20 + disposals in the Under-18/19 class they won't at AFL.

I'm not convinced we need to trade up; it seems to be generally agreed that this draft is tricky after the top 15 and that accordingly there may be bargains up to 40 and beyond. This is an opportunity for Wells to find a few gems in the second and third rounds.

But no more injured players please.

 

[Drunkcat]

If we needed a ruck forward i would take Brayden Crossley

Brayden Crossley

Age

25

Ht

198cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.4

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

4.9

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.2

4star

G

0.5

3star

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D

9.2

3star

K

5.0

2star

HB

4.2

4star

M

2.0

3star

T

2.2

4star

G

0.6

3star

he is a bit like Mummy likes to play hard, but we don't need that sort of player

 

[Turbocat]

On the bolded point, I think this has largely been driven by us drafting players with fairly significant flaws, hoping that we can turn them around, e.g. Cockatoo's injuries, Stephens injuries, Constable's running capacity, Taheny's attitude (rumour?). These players all had well-documented glaring flaws at the time of the draft, those same flaws stayed with them.

I think someone posted earlier in this thread that an NFL recruiter was trying to find bargain picks in the draft, and then quickly came to realise that injury prone players stay injured, etc. With the draft range we consistently find ourselves in it makes things harder, but I don't think we necessarily have to always take the high risk/reward option.

Agree with the vibe of this... we can sort of shuffle the deck multiple ways but in the end if you go all in on bluffs too often ..you go broke.

Id say that Clark draft is what i have been talking about for a while. Maybe a lack of talent , maybe poor attitude ..no matter why ..its churn city and thats the way kills a list renewal.

I see Constable and Stephens as a bit different. One is still in play. Constable I think fits what I was talking about what GWS has worked out. If our captain etc is going to be playing a certain role, its bit sill adding slowish mids. but no matter why , its another churn.Maybe with Joels imminent end, we can look at things differently. Its no use drafting players that we will not be able to find a role.

 

[Sire of Claude]

Following on, Harvey Harrison, Hugh Jackson, Cooper Murley can all find the ball and have other assets. Blayne O'Loughlin and Ollie Sanders are other possibilities. We have to recognise that possibly all the much touted mids will be gone by our first
pick.

I did watch Sheldrick in that game a few weeks ago but question his skills. We desperately need good users.

I do think there are better prospects in SA.

 

[Drunkcat]

What are the odds of Wells getting a player that not 1 person has talked about? i say very short he does it every year

 

[Gee Class Loco]

Boris says we have "no glaring needs" - no except for a few decent players!

I like Dean and Bazzo of the tall defenders likely to be available.

Agree Brown will be gone but Lewis Rayson won't be and there are several others Shifter mentioned in that category who look like prospects.

Mids - we don't need any more one-paced so-called mids. This rules out Matt Roberts and probably Knevitt too. Taylor, McDonald and several others with dash and skill may still be available. Above all, they must be able to get the ball: thus if they can't average 20 + disposals in the Under-18/19 class they won't at AFL.

I'm not convinced we need to trade up; it seems to be generally agreed that this draft is tricky after the top 15 and that accordingly there may be bargains up to 40 and beyond. This is an opportunity for Wells to find a few gems in the second and third rounds.

But no more injured players please.

LOL... Agree agree and agreed.

 

[Gee Class Loco]

What are the odds of Wells getting a player that not 1 person has talked about? i say very short he does it every year

Spot On!! and then watch the melts.... lol.
I am gonna say it now. The majority will be left field choices that will blind side many. Even me.

 

[Drunkcat]

Spot On!! and then watch the melts.... lol.
I am gonna say it now. The majority will be left field choices that will blind side many. Even me.

In the end i don't care who we get as long as we get a couple of good footballers, like last year when people were saying who is this Holmes he looks hopeless lol

 

[BORIS332]

I wonder if this guy finds his way to us through the Betts/Stengle link:


Isaiah Dudley
Central Districts, SANFL/Salisbury North JFC
State: South Australia
Height: 167cm
Weight: 71kg
Date of Birth: 30/04/03

Small forward with lightning reflexes, elite footy IQ, and goal sense. He can have a real impact when he gets the ball in his hands. He's a nephew of Eddie Betts and has shown some of his uncle's aerial X-factor this year, as well as the trademark goal sense. Has progressed from dominating under-18s football, averaging 21.5 disposals in 10 matches, to playing the same number of games at reserves level, kicking 22 goals overall. Represented South Australia against Western Australia this year on a couple of occasions with his three second-half goals in the AFL Grand Final curtain-raiser his best performance. An All-Australian at under-16s level in 2019, he's in Adelaide's Next Generation Academy but has not been pre-nominated by the Crows and is therefore available in the open draft.

 

[you pick one]

The elephant in the room here is that every line needs a bit more backbone we have to many getting games and who will continue getting game that go missing when the heats turned up,lets try and draft some harder types not just physical but mentally as well.

 

[Gee Class Loco]

In the end i don't care who we get as long as we get a couple of good footballers, like last year when people were saying who is this Holmes he looks hopeless lol

Yep... same here!
With 5 picks hopefully Wells can nab 2-3 rippers.

 

[Sire of Claude]

Yes we can expect to hear Wells read out names we haven't been hearing much. The fact is that the relentless focus on the same 20 odd prospects is potentially misleading, to some degree a self-fulfilling prophecy, and certainly tedious.

They'll be names like Becker, Beecken, Murley, Cleary, Preston, Harrison - there are others - or even some mature-agers - not necessarily those specific ones but in that - how can I put? - area of pre-draft attention.

We could get lucky and pick up Brown (bolter), or Warner (bolter) or Sonsie (possible slider) but I'm not confident.

 

[Gee Class Loco]

The elephant in the room here is that every line needs a bit more backbone we have to many getting games and who will continue getting game that go missing when the heat turned up,lets try and draft some harder types not just physical but mentally as well.

Yep. Them's the one we have to find.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Would you pick him before Brown? Brown looks like a 200 game type player

Tough one because i like both sonsie and brown ideally id like to get both. I think both will be 200 gamers

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Shows there is more to making to afl level than just talent. You have to want it.

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[year of the cat]

I was just thinking that re Butler and then read your post, couldn't put it better. I don't understand the appeal at all.

100% agree re Taylor and have been on him since day 1. I just can't see how a player like him lasts to 22 though, despite all the Phantoms having him going 2nd round.

Keen to see your analysis if you have time to put it together.

I think with Butler what stands out is how clean he is. One touch and has very neat disposal by foot. His kicking technique is extremely simple and sound. He moves well through traffic. I think there's a lot to like about him. He's not my first choice with the names bandied around our picks but I'd be comfortable if we drafted him.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I can see us trading our future 1st to get Brown

I like brown but i really hope we dont risk that. Trade our 2nds to get up the order for him if needed but not our future 1st.

 

[Warhorse]

Brown would be a disaster. To move on Clark for a fair inferior talent in Brown is a poor move.

 

[Shadow89]

Can't get past the WA paywall, but I did manage to grab this snippet from a Fox Sports article released today on mature age players -

The 18 mature-age guns your club could steal at the 2021 AFL draft

Bargain buys: The 18 mature-age stars your club could steal at the AFL draft

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"The West Australian reported this week Schlensog had attracted interest from Geelong, Richmond, Collingwood and Gold Coast, but he told the publication the Cats – the club that initially helped Schlensog realise his AFL dream – were “the main ones showing the most positive signs.”

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Looking very likely (whether you're for or against it), that we'll be taking Schlensog as a DFA in the next 5 days or so.

Also has the flow on effect - as a lot of us have been saying - that we'll trade up to the Dogs pick, given we'll only have 4 list spots. Given the mock draft that we did, it's the right move IMO, as the draft goes from 'sliders' that are first round quality, to complete speculation after the Tigers take their 3 players (you could get a 200 game player or a bust with the picks from 30 onwards). I've seen this mimicked on most draft boards, so we're definitely not outliers.

If we could somehow use our 3 picks in the 30's and our futures, to get the Dogs pick 23 and Carlton's Pick 25, that would give us the best opportunity to get ahead of the Tiges and take 3 quality players + a pick in the 40's that comes in after bids.

Also, now that Mullins has been confirmed, we're looking at having picked up 3 decent talented players (if/when Schlensog is announced), for literally no draft capital. If we could also pick up say Brown, Taylor and Bazzo/Aleer/Dean/Knevitt/Howes/Williams etc. with our earlier picks, and then guys like Fejo Jr. , Harrison, Molan, Lord, Banks, Macdonald, O. Morrison, with a later pick/rookie picks, we will have absolutely cleaned up with our draft haul.

 

[Shadow89]

Brown would be a disaster. To move on Clark for a fair inferior talent in Brown is a poor move.

Lol you have no idea what you're talking about. Brown is a far better ball user, better composure, and is also from the area so is unlikely to leave either.

I think I'll trust all the talent scouts that have him around 18-25 in pretty much every phantom, before I trust our resident pessimist, lol.

 

[Warhorse]

Lol you have no idea what you're talking about. Brown is a far better ball user, better composure, and is also from the area so is unlikely to leave either.

I think I'll trust all the talent scouts that have him around 18-25 in pretty much every phantom, before I trust our resident pessimist, lol.

So I'm a pessimist for not wanting a player who you like in this draft

You think brown is more talented than Clark? Does Brown fit a need with our aging midfield? This is a midfielders draft, I would prefer to draft them.

 

[Shadow89]

So I'm a pessimist for not wanting a player who you like in this draft

You think brown is more talented than Clark? Does Brown fit a need with our aging midfield? This is a midfielders draft, I would prefer to draft them.

No you're a pessimist for saying he's 'far inferior' to Clark, when most draft rankings and draft gurus, have him around a late first to early second. Given we just traded Clark for that range, I'd say he's pretty much very similar - with the added bonuses of being more composed with ball in hand, being from the area, and seeming pretty humble too.

All of our players are aging, lol. We need players in every area. In most phantoms (including ours) we look likely to take 2 mids, 1 KPD and 1 running half back (to replace Clark). It's not either or - we need both half backs and mids.

Not to mention, drafting Brown doesn't mean we don't draft any other quality mids - as it looks likely that we'll be trading up to get the Dogs pick too. Would you be that upset if we ended up with Zac Taylor and Tom Brown with Pick 22 and 23?