Rumour GFC 2022 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists PT2

[Pure_Ownage]

I just watched a video with an update from Steve Hocking. There is no way pick 7 will be traded on the night. I know some think we may trade down a bit and into next year if Clark is gone, but I don't think we will.

He was saying Wells is very excited about having a pick so high for the first time in 15-years and that they have their eye on a few players with that pick.

He was really strong on that; it's clear Wells and Mackie will be using pick 7 IMO.

To be fair they can change that call on the night and spin it ie we got the guy at 13 we wanted at 7, got 2 r1s for it etc. Half the stuff clubs say this close to the draft is media fodder only.

 

[CatRiot]

If Clark is gone ..it will depend on who has been overlooked .. and who the club rates. Id not be too fussed about what others think a player is worth as we have shown over a number of years we will call it as we see it...

So if Clark is gone.... maybe a player like Tsitas slips thru if so I could not see us going past him. ... but if they think someone like Hotton is the player tehy like ..they will not care how other rate him.

I'd have Tsatas ahead of Clark, if both are there. Unlikely, but one will slip to us.

Having recently seen the Elija Hewitt highlights, I'd have him in my top 10...

Tbh, I think he might be end up being a better player than Clark. He has really good speed and kicking depth on both sides. I wasn't even sure which is his preferred kicking side, left or right, its that good. In many ways he plays like a slightly bigger and faster version of Sam Mitchell. But I think where Clark edges him out, is all the defensive work he does and the two way running.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

Delisting ‘didn’t sit too well with me’ for ex-Geelong rookie Paul Tsapatolis​

A Cat who was starved by opportunities and hit by injuries was hit hard when he was delisted and left thinking he didn’t get a proper crack at the AFL.

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seems like another unhappy delisted player. If somoen Tsap's size has obvious potential , another lcub will pick him up. Id think he may have to play a lot of VFL before that chance presents itself

I can get where he and Williams are coming from, we're only human. Rejection hurts all of us.

From the outside looking in though, a little perspective wouldn't harm either of these two. It's a cut-throat industry, and neither had set the world on fire or really shown anything of substance to be kept on the list.

Are they going to feel just as disrespected by every club when nobody picks them up, and they're forced to go back to the state leagues and work a 9-5?

It's just a bit of a gripe of mine. It's an incredibly rare opportunity that millions dream of and will never get the chance....if you get the chance and show nothing then that's on you.

 

[Turbocat]

I can get where he and Williams are coming from, we're only human. Rejection hurts all of us.

From the outside looking in though, a little perspective wouldn't harm either of these two. It's a cut-throat industry, and neither had set the world on fire or really shown anything of substance to be kept on the list.

Are they going to feel just as disrespected by every club when nobody picks them up, and they're forced to go back to the state leagues and work a 9-5?

It's just a bit of a gripe of mine. It's an incredibly rare opportunity that millions dream of and will never get the chance....if you get the chance and show nothing then that's on you.

Basically yes. I feel more for Williams.

I have had reservations over the MSD from the start ... id prefer a system of promoting someone of ones own lower VFL list. What was the point of drafting him from SA, he was very unlikely to play senior footy. At best he plays VFL level for a while (years) acclimatises and develops...a bit like zacG. Taking someone like Charlcraft, McLachlan or Ling would have been less disruptive. ... or picking someone else ..a 19 year old that missed being drafted and would fit our probable needs better. Williams type was not really a need in the short term.

I suspect they changed their mind on a couple of spots ...or why draft anyone like Williams in the first place.


At his height..if noi one else picks him ..I think Tsap will just have to realise the tough road afl is. He was added to the list ..then Conway after him. Its obvious which way they wish to go.... but yet again...someone like him from a non footy background they probably feel he needed more time.

 

[Turbocat]

I'd have Tsatas ahead of Clark, if both are there. Unlikely, but one will slip to us.

Tbh, I think he might be end up being a better player than Clark. He has really good speed and kicking depth on both sides. I wasn't even sure which is his preferred kicking side, left or right, its that good. In many ways he plays like a slightly bigger and faster version of Sam Mitchell. But I think where Clark edges him out, is all the defensive work he does and the two way running.

Most phantoms I have seen have Tsitas ahead of Clark too. Who knows really... only once they are drafted and looking back would you have a better idea.

Look at 2018. Id have Butters ahead of Jones... yet in 2018 Butters was 16 on Cal Twomeny phantom

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[Turbocat]

Tbh, I think he might be end up being a better player than Clark. He has really good speed and kicking depth on both sides. I wasn't even sure which is his preferred kicking side, left or right, its that good. In many ways he plays like a slightly bigger and faster version of Sam Mitchell. But I think where Clark edges him out, is all the defensive work he does and the two way running.

Hewitt video looks good but plenty of packages look good. If he slips there must be something other than the highlights pckage that the clubs have reservations on

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Delisting ‘didn’t sit too well with me’ for ex-Geelong rookie Paul Tsapatolis​

A Cat who was starved by opportunities and hit by injuries was hit hard when he was delisted and left thinking he didn’t get a proper crack at the AFL.

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seems like another unhappy delisted player. If somoen Tsap's size has obvious potential , another lcub will pick him up. Id think he may have to play a lot of VFL before that chance presents itself

Now that he's not a cat b free hit I don't actual think another club will take him

 

[dangerwood]

I can get where he and Williams are coming from, we're only human. Rejection hurts all of us.

From the outside looking in though, a little perspective wouldn't harm either of these two. It's a cut-throat industry, and neither had set the world on fire or really shown anything of substance to be kept on the list.

Are they going to feel just as disrespected by every club when nobody picks them up, and they're forced to go back to the state leagues and work a 9-5?

It's just a bit of a gripe of mine. It's an incredibly rare opportunity that millions dream of and will never get the chance....if you get the chance and show nothing then that's on you.

It's the absence of signs of improvement for why I think both delistings were accurate. I thought Tsapotolis had something to work with initially but I'm not sure he is any better than when he started with us. He can argue injuries/opportunity and maybe he doesn't feel he got a real crack but if he'd improved in some areas I think Geelong wouldve persisted.

 

[Kitcat]

If he had AFL potential, Geelong wouldn’t have let a big young ruck go.

 

[Live in hope]

It's the absence of signs of improvement for why I think both delistings were accurate. I thought Tsapotolis had something to work with initially but I'm not sure he is any better than when he started with us. He can argue injuries/opportunity and maybe he doesn't feel he got a real crack but if he'd improved in some areas I think Geelong wouldve persisted.

Wasn’t Tsap the starting centre for the national basketball (under 16)? - must have had great potential to get to that level. Bit of an emotional shift but maybe return to that - huge opportunities even outside US - there are dozens of professional leagues in EU (and very popular in Greece - although if obtains a Greek passport may be subject to the national service requirement).

 

[cats_09]

Now that he's not a cat b free hit I don't actual think another club will take him

Current CatB rule is that the player can spend up to 3 years on the CatB rookie list at the club who drafts/selects them

Should there be a slight tweak to the rule:
- If a CatB rookie is delisted after 1 or 2 years with their initial club, a second club can add them to their CatB list for the remain year/s that would have been eligible as a CatB?


A key idea of the CatB list is to give an opportunity to those from non-traditional AFL backgrounds, so should that 3 year period be transferable meaning a player may get a second chance at a new club?

 

[Turbocat]

Now that he's not a cat b free hit I don't actual think another club will take him

probably but to a degee he is still a free hit if good enough isnt he... a dfa. At his height has options ..if good enough. He has probably had the easiest path into afl so far... am example of how the system is far from equitable.


The fact is I dont think he is good enough, or mobile enough. He is a lumbering type ruck and one has to be good enough to be a the number 1..like Darcy to play that role.

Neale and Conway look far superior options ... but him going and the age of Stanley and Ceglar means we probably need to add a ruck at some stage.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Current CatB rule is that the player can spend up to 3 years on the CatB rookie list at the club who drafts/selects them

Should there be a slight tweak to the rule:
- If a CatB rookie is delisted after 1 or 2 years with their initial club, a second club can add them to their CatB list for the remain year/s that would have been eligible as a CatB?


A key idea of the CatB list is to give an opportunity to those from non-traditional AFL backgrounds, so should that 3 year period be transferable meaning a player may get a second chance at a new club?

Not a bad rule change but I don't think that's the rule as it stands.

To have delisted him the first place means we're considering 2x cat bs. One is obviously Clohesy and I'm not sure the same rule applies to father sons but if they do then Riccardi obviously the 2nd.

Tsapatolis versus Clohesy or Riccardi? I'd be giving the kids a shot. If we're bringing him onto the rookie or senior list he'd have to stand up on his own as a draftee not a project and I'm not sure he does.

Zane is the one I feel for

 

[Turbocat]

Current CatB rule is that the player can spend up to 3 years on the CatB rookie list at the club who drafts/selects them

Should there be a slight tweak to the rule:
- If a CatB rookie is delisted after 1 or 2 years with their initial club, a second club can add them to their CatB list for the remain year/s that would have been eligible as a CatB?


A key idea of the CatB list is to give an opportunity to those from non-traditional AFL backgrounds, so should that 3 year period be transferable meaning a player may get a second chance at a new club?

Thats a clever additional tweek

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Now that he's not a cat b free hit I don't actual think another club will take him

Agreed he showed very little at vfl level.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Not a bad rule change but I don't think that's the rule as it stands.

To have delisted him the first place means we're considering 2x cat bs. One is obviously Clohesy and I'm not sure the same rule applies to father sons but if they do then Riccardi obviously the 2nd.

Tsapatolis versus Clohesy or Riccardi? I'd be giving the kids a shot. If we're bringing him onto the rookie or senior list he'd have to stand up on his own as a draftee not a project and I'm not sure he does.

Zane is the one I feel for

Clohesy is a cat b rookie if he gets through the ND.
Riccardi is a cat A rookie if he gets through ND same as simpson was.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Most clearances per game this year, at least. I mean, opinions are absolutely subjective but at least he is up there as an inside player.

It helps when Gawn is your ruckman.

 

[ShaunWDT]

Soon as Tsapatolis wasnt beating up on kids smaller than him he was useless, complete lack of impact around the ground didnt do him any favours either.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

I remember the last pick 7 we had with injury concerns prior to being drafted. Only went on to become the greatest Geelong player of all time with 4 premierships.

Selwood isn't close to being the greatest Geelong player of all time. Let's not get carried away.

 

[Sky]

Selwood isn't close to being the greatest Geelong player of all time. Let's not get carried away.

I see Ablett Sr has no premierships and his son will always be a traitor no matter that he came back. So unless you’re going to tell me the best is either Wade or Polly.. and it’s not like any of those blokes were loyal either.

Joel Selwood every day of the week

 

[catstragic]

Do you use pick 7 on Busslinger who likely is a mid teens selection a WA boy so there is the risk of the go home factor and I'm not to thrilled about the amount of shoulder strapping he's sporting as a 19year old.

Don't like the idea of using a top 10 on a KPD...... mids the way to go

 

[catstragic]

Selwood isn't close to being the greatest Geelong player of all time. Let's not get carried away.

best Geelong captain- as a player Polly and two Abletts are in front of him.

At no stage has Joel ever been considered the best player in the league, those other three have.

 

[cats_09]

Not a bad rule change but I don't think that's the rule as it stands.

To have delisted him the first place means we're considering 2x cat bs. One is obviously Clohesy and I'm not sure the same rule applies to father sons but if they do then Riccardi obviously the 2nd.

Tsapatolis versus Clohesy or Riccardi? I'd be giving the kids a shot. If we're bringing him onto the rookie or senior list he'd have to stand up on his own as a draftee not a project and I'm not sure he does.

Zane is the one I feel for

Could we still be considering Mullin as a Cat B, or maybe he's still on the list and we're just seeing if he wants to commit for 2023 or not - if he does commit it would mean we only had the 1 open spot which would then make some sense in opening that up for Clohesy if we believe he'll make it through the ND

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

best Geelong captain- as a player Polly and two Abletts are in front of him.

At no stage has Joel ever been considered the best player in the league, those other three have.

The two Ablett's are the best two footballers I've ever seen ... Snr is the greatest and it's a huge margin to the next best.

I feel for those not old enough to have seen him play.

 

[cats_09]

I love the discussion around who's the best player to pull on the Hoops, but our 2022 draft & trading thread really isn't the best location for such discussion

May i recommend taking that we please take that discussion to the following thread

Opinion - Top 10 favourite Geelong players of all time

So who were your favourite geelong players during all your days from watching as a kid to now? Which players did you enjoy watching and root that extra bit hard for? this isn’t the list of the best players you have seen or the players you think were the most important. But the ones you loved to...

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Thanks all