Rumour GFC 2022 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists

[cats_09]

 

[CatsDoItBetter]

I’d be shocked if Taranto and Hopper want to go to the same club. A big reason they are moving is their current club has too many players similar to their own games. Would be a strange move to go together and possibly help create the same problem at a new club.

If Grundy goes to Melbourne I’d be inclined to think his injuries are still a concern and he wants to be somewhere he can play second fiddle. It would be great to add Grundy for the right price but if he goes to Melbourne I’m not convinced that’d work and it weakens Collingwood.

 

[hamG]

Glad the Grundy stuff is over. I don't think we were ever in the hunt unless Collingwood would accept massive unders eg 1 x crap first rounder. If his recent injuries affect his atheltisicm he'd be a 29 year old, 5 year anchor on the salary cap undersize ruckman who is great at football but can't ruck anymore.

Would much rather filling a critical need which is the Hopper type.

Also evidence is Collingwood has been the massive winner from their salary cap fire sales trades to date.

 

[Kitcat]

If Geelong recruiters thought Henry was gonna be anywhere near the player Gunston is/was, they be all over getting him.

In the end, it's up to them to evaluate players and make the call.

What was Gunston like at the end of his first two years?

 

[Boxhead_31]

What was Gunston like at the end of his first two years?

Was the Crows best first year player wasn't he?

 

[D BRIDGE]

What was Gunston like at the end of his first two years?

Yes, their stats are similar after two years.

If it's that simple, then it's an easy decision to shoot for Henry then.

Not sure if it is though.

FYI - I'd love Henry... but everything has a cost and getting him may cost us getting someone else.

Time will tell... Hopefully, in time we can look back and say the recruiters made the right call in getting him or not getting him.

 

[Kitcat]

Yes, their stats are similar after two years.

If it's that simple, then it's an easy decision to shoot for Henry then.

Not sure if it is though.

FYI - I'd love Henry... but everything has a cost and getting him may cost us getting someone else.

Time will tell... Hopefully, in time we can look back and say the recruiters made the right call in getting him or not getting him.

It’s not that simple but it shows that medium forwards take a while to develop, and Henry has shown plenty already in a difficult position. If he had kicked straight early on in the season, he would have played more games.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

De Goey won't be at Geelong. You can take that to the bank.

Grundy is open to offers, and whilst Geelong has been named as a potential outcome, its the least preferred option and he wants to stay in Melbourne. Loves the bohemian, soy chai, Brunswick St, ponytail, scooter riding lifestyle, and that puts Demons in the box seat. I'm told it's unlikely he'll get to Geelong even though we're pitching hard.

Ollie Henry not really on the Cats radar as they're not sure he fills any specific gap on the list as it stands. They'll say they're watching out of respect to Jack and the Henry family (locals) but it won't go far beyond that.

Hopper was the #1 target from a long way out and nothing has changed. Cat's are all in and Hopper has told his manager to make it happen. Whether it does remains to be seen, and we only have to look back at the Jezza fiasco to realise that GWS won't allow Hopper to just waltz out of there for a bag of chips and a speculative draft pick.

Wrong about Henry in that regard.

 

[foxdog50]

Wrong about Henry in that regard.

Where have you herd about Ollie and Geelong

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Where have you herd about Ollie and Geelong

I was talking about Geelong's interest. And my connection is well known..

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Glad the Grundy stuff is over. I don't think we were ever in the hunt unless Collingwood would accept massive unders eg 1 x crap first rounder. If his recent injuries affect his atheltisicm he'd be a 29 year old, 5 year anchor on the salary cap undersize ruckman who is great at football but can't ruck anymore.

Would much rather filling a critical need which is the Hopper type.

Also evidence is Collingwood has been the massive winner from their salary cap fire sales trades to date.

Grundy stuff is over?

 

[Kyuss]

Where have you herd about Ollie and Geelong

Geelong were interested in his draft year and no doubt would have taken him if we managed to hold our picks in the Cameron free agency saga.
So I doubt that interest has disappeared

 

[Pure_Ownage]

So what happens if Collingwood won't pay the price?

They are left with $1.1m of salary cap hit for THE NEXT 5 YEARS (eek!) for a player they have decided they have no use for. That is 8.5% of their salary cap for 1 superfluous player out of 44 list spots.

The knock on effect of this are suicide and it is an untenable situation for any club. If Geelong was in this situation I would advise us to bite down hard and take our medicine (ie. get rid of the contract by any means necessary).

The price has to be very cheap.

They havent decided they have no use for him.

 

[strauchnyy]

Sonsie looked good for tigers in the back half of the yr. Wanted him at our first pick. Whilst I rate conways chances of being a good player, I have just about zero confidence in knevitt. Looked below GFL standard all year. Hope I’m wrong with time on his side… but has been really disappointing this yr

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Sonsie looked good for tigers in the back half of the yr. Wanted him at our first pick. Whilst I rate conways chances of being a good player, I have just about zero confidence in knevitt. Looked below GFL standard all year. Hope I’m wrong with time on his side… but has been really disappointing this yr

He looked afl standard when he came on as the sub in the seniors but maybe it was the roos who were gfl standard.

He's just lost on the wing in a role he's having to learn. Let him hit the weights room a bit longer and the we'll know

 

[CatToTheFuture]

They havent decided they have no use for him.

No use is probably the wrong term. I would say they've found better uses, with reference to the use of their cap on him

 

[dazbroncos]

Ottens cost us money and trade but not Grundy kind of money.

And not 5 years worth.
700k is a chunk but the 5 years… geez it’s a double HMAC sized **** up if it goes pear shaped. Conway coming on.. Stanley and Ceglar for next year.

I’m not that upset that the Grundy talk died. Henry I’d chase harder and Hopper will be up to how much GWS can bid up his value and trade cost - and I’m sure they’ll call the Tuggers into it too
But after they exited stage left now perhaps they aren’t so attractive.
Hopper calling it Geelong only would be nice

Go Catters

 

[CatRiot]

Geelong were interested in his draft year and no doubt would have taken him if we managed to hold our picks in the Cameron free agency saga.
So I doubt that interest has disappeared

Can't see us snaring Henry. If Grundy is traded, they will have the cap available and his contract is renewed. I think it's a case of getting Grundy off books first.

 

[Hinkley29]

They havent decided they have no use for him.

Then why are they happy to pay someone else to play for them?

Getting rid of him is crucial to their future plans.

 

[Lana]

Ottens cost us money and trade but not Grundy kind of money.

And not 5 years worth.
700k is a chunk but the 5 years… geez it’s a double HMAC sized * up if it goes pear shaped. Conway coming on.. Stanley and Ceglar for next year.

I’m not that upset that the Grundy talk died. Henry I’d chase harder and Hopper will be up to how much GWS can bid up his value and trade cost - and I’m sure they’ll call the Tuggers into it too
But after they exited stage left now perhaps they aren’t so attractive.
Hopper calling it Geelong only would be nice

Go Catters

The salary cap when Ottens was recruited was about 6 million, next year it will be close to 14 with the additional services agreements. He probably wasn’t far off from an equivalent wage.

 

[Hinkley29]

The salary cap when Ottens was recruited was about 6 million, next year it will be close to 14 with the additional services agreements. He probably wasn’t far off from an equivalent wage.

The cap figure is not the biggest issue (although it is still an issue).

the biggest issue is the 5 years left on the contract. Ottens was 25 when he first played for Geelong, Grundy will be 29 at the start of next season. When you are talking about a commitment to a 29 year old injured ruckman a 5 year deal is way too long.

I would be ok with 2 years or maybe 3 at a stretch but 5 years is a hard no.

 

[Lana]

The cap figure is not the biggest issue (although it is still an issue).

the biggest issue is the 5 years left on the contract. Ottens was 25 when he first played for Geelong, Grundy will be 29 at the start of next season. When you are talking about a commitment to a 29 year old injured ruckman a 5 year deal is way too long.

I would be ok with 2 years or maybe 3 at a stretch but 5 years is a hard no.

It goes back to how many games you think he has left in him, Goldstein has played 100 games after the season turned 28, he'll be 34 next year an still on a list. Looking at it by games or age, and ignoring for player quality the median games would be around 50.

For the 5 years it also goes down to the specifics of the contract, how much is fixed v linked to games played, performance etc. does it adjust for cap changes.

Could max out at something like this

Year	Geelong Pay	Collingwood Pay	Total	Base	Game Variable, assume 25 games	Game Trigger on 18 games, half at 15 games	Performance BNF - win decreases until 10th place	Performance All Australian squad
1​	700​	300​	1000​	500​	300​	100​	50​	50​
2​	700​	300​	1000​	500​	300​	100​	50​	50​
3​	700​	300​	1000​	500​	300​	100​	50​	50​
4​	700​	300​	1000​	300​	400​	200​	50​	50​
5​	700​	300​	1000​	300​	400​	200​	50​	50​

By his 4th year our exposure for minimal output drops significantly. Bare in mind that by the 4th year, the base wage of a drafted player would probably be close to 150k. lets say he bottles it in his 4th year, our break even in cost with a new draftee would be at 9 games.

 

[Hinkley29]

It goes back to how many games you think he has left in him, Goldstein has played 100 games after the season turned 28, he'll be 34 next year an still on a list. Looking at it by games or age, and ignoring for player quality the median games would be around 50.

For the 5 years it also goes down to the specifics of the contract, how much is fixed v linked to games played, performance etc. does it adjust for cap changes.

Could max out at something like this

Year	Geelong Pay	Collingwood Pay	Total	Base	Game Variable, assume 25 games	Game Trigger on 18 games, half at 15 games	Performance BNF - win decreases until 10th place	Performance All Australian squad
1​	700​	300​	1000​	500​	300​	100​	50​	50​
2​	700​	300​	1000​	500​	300​	100​	50​	50​
3​	700​	300​	1000​	500​	300​	100​	50​	50​
4​	700​	300​	1000​	300​	400​	200​	50​	50​
5​	700​	300​	1000​	300​	400​	200​	50​	50​

By his 4th year our exposure for minimal output drops significantly. Bare in mind that by the 4th year, the base wage of a drafted player would probably be close to 150k. lets say he bottles it in his 4th year, our break even in cost with a new draftee would be at 9 games.

Goldstein after his age 28 season was not coming off a season where he had a significant injury and then immediately after that injury was sidelined with a stress fracture in his ankle. Grundy’s profile is one of a player in physical decline.

I can’t see a scenario where Grundy’s base contract is on 500k in age 29,30 & 31 seasons and then 300k in age 32 & 33 seasons. If this was the case, Collingwood would not be so desperate to offload his contract.

 

[Commando]

Bailey Scott

8

Bailey Scott

Age

24

Ht

186cm

Wt

77kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.6

3star

K

5.8

2star

HB

4.9

4star

M

3.1

3star

T

1.5

3star

MG

155.6

2star

D

8.0

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

3.0

2star

M

2.5

3star

T

1.8

3star

MG

114.8

2star

D

11.8

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

5.8

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.2

3star

MG

171.6

3star

finished third in NM B&F

 

[Pure_Ownage]

The cap figure is not the biggest issue (although it is still an issue).

the biggest issue is the 5 years left on the contract. Ottens was 25 when he first played for Geelong, Grundy will be 29 at the start of next season. When you are talking about a commitment to a 29 year old injured ruckman a 5 year deal is way too long.

I would be ok with 2 years or maybe 3 at a stretch but 5 years is a hard no.

I mean yes a lot of rucks finish by 31 but some go on way past that...look at goldy about to hit 300. The reality is until this year grundy had been basically as durable as goldy. If you think this year is bad luck and he passes a good medical then grundy for 5 years isnt necessarily silly (for the record we offered goldy 4 years to come when he was 3 years older than grundy is now).

 

[D BRIDGE]

Bailey Scott finished third in NM B&F

My god that's a poor team when he finishes 3rd in their BnF.