Rumour GFC 2024 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt 1

[CatToTheFuture]

Would people give up Stengle if I meant we only used one first rounders and got both Smith and Oliver?

Don’t shoot me, just coming at it a different angle

I feel like we'd be in spot of bother going forward without stengle. No question I'd offer him decent coin to stay.

My best result would be use first to get smith and keep stengle. That would be preferable to any scenario where we lose stengle.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I wouldn’t give up Stengle for anything. For all the talk about small forwards being replaceable, he’s maybe the best in the comp ATM and probably leading our goalkicking.

He is 3 ahead of jez and 8th overall in the Coleman

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Assuming he wants to leave anyway.. yes

Well he's UFA so it's literally only his choice. But I think the post was flipping it to say if it were your choice

 

[Strange Cat]

Would people give up Stengle if I meant we only used one first rounders and got both Smith and Oliver?

Don’t shoot me, just coming at it a different angle

Not the worse idea imo

 

[Strange Cat]

I wouldn’t give up Stengle for anything. For all the talk about small forwards being replaceable, he’s maybe the best in the comp ATM and probably leading our goalkicking.

I doubt he leaves anyway he will be paid fairly or get a longer contract the club relationship with him will be a important influence in the discussion I reckon

 

[Strange Cat]

That's when he should get the Bartel chat

I don’t mind carrying him to 300 games if that’s what he wants and the club I think he has earnt that

I’m sure both sides of the party will be pragmatic about it at the end of the year either way

 

[Lana]

I agree. I'm not sure why they have changed in there thinking between players like Bartel, Chapman, Stokes etc to what they are now like Tuhoy, Duncan etc

It's a competition wide trend, Right now 6/18 clubs have a higher average age then our too old too slow 2011 premiership winning team. Which was the oldest team ever fielded at the time.

A few rules changes here, improvements in sports science and more integration of stats into the list building decision making process, reductions of list sizes. There is still a non zero amount short value to be eked out of the vets. With hindsight we probably could have grab an extra year from many of those vets we dumped 2013-2018. But the value we get from them seems to be declining on almost a weekly basis.

 

[Lana]

I don’t mind carrying him to 300 games if that’s what he wants and the club I think he has earnt that

I’m sure both sides of the party will be pragmatic about it at the end of the year either way

Riccardi and Milburn didn't get carried to 300, Scarlett called it a day a year early as well.

 

[cats_09]

Riccardi and Milburn didn't get carried to 300, Scarlett called it a day a year early as well.

D. Milburn - 292 games
P. Riccardi - 288 games
M. Scarlett - 284 games
A. Mackie & H. Taylor - 280 games
J. Corey - 276 games

All players who retired or finished their careers where they were within 1 season of that 300 game mark - I know Corey would have required a couple of finals, but it would have potentially been within reach

Harley retired on 197 games for Geelong & he was offered a contract for the next season to reach the 200 game milestone


Any potential contract for Duncan needs to have the emotion of game #300 removed from it

 

[iameviljez]

Riccardi and Milburn didn't get carried to 300, Scarlett called it a day a year early as well.

Riccardi’s hamstring went and he chose to walk. Milburn was dropped from the best 22 for a GF. Not really sustainable

 

[Strange Cat]

Riccardi and Milburn didn't get carried to 300, Scarlett called it a day a year early as well.

Different times but I do see your point but the club I think would have a different mindset and approach to the list considering there’s going to be a lot of experience walking out the door at the years end

 

[Commando]

Different times but I do see your point but the club I think would have a different mindset and approach to the list considering there’s going to be a lot of experience walking out the door at the years end

Exactly we are losing a mountain of experience
Some of those mentioned would definitely have been carried to 300 but we had too much quality coming through, sadly not the case at the moment

 

[Lana]

Exactly we are losing a mountain of experience
Some of those mentioned would definitely have been carried to 300 but we had too much quality coming through, sadly not the case at the moment

It's funny I see it completely the other way. We had less coming through 2013 to 2015 then we do now.

 

[Commando]

It's funny I see it completely the other way. We had less coming through 2013 to 2015 then we do now.

We can't turn over 10 spots in one year though.. like most things in life timing is everything

 

[Pure_Ownage]

That's when he should get the Bartel chat

I was thinking the same.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

Exactly we are losing a mountain of experience
Some of those mentioned would definitely have been carried to 300 but we had too much quality coming through, sadly not the case at the moment

We've got more coming through now and it's not particularly close IMO.

You could mount the argument on raw talent we might have had more back then...but injury crueled so many of those players, and unfortunately that's a pretty important part of the game.

On talent - and written on paper - Menzel, Cockatoo, Bundy, McCarthy, Smedts, & Vardy sounds awesome.

In reality, it was never going to go their way for one reason or another, and it was almost always health related.

So instead of having those names, it was really only a prime aged Hawkins & Selwood, to go with Duncan, Guthrie, Bews, & Kolodjashnij as emerging talents.

Caddy & Motlop unfortunately never became what we hoped, and were eventually cut loose....while Murdoch, GHS, & Lang were just ordinary players, and we knew that pretty early on.

I'd take the emerging core of Holmes, Bruhn, Clark, O'Sullivan, Henry, SDK, Dempsey, Humphries, Neale, Mullin, Knevitt, & Conway to go with a prime aged Stengle, Miers, Close, Zuthrie, Bowea, & Jenry any day of the week....and I'd say the club and most on here would agree.

You bring in a Bailey Smith or just another first round pick and it tips the scales even further for mine.

Or alternatively, a player like Stevens, Edwards, or Clohesy surprises and really makes something of themselves.

The first list was some solid role player types surrounding emerging stars who had already played in premierships (Selwood, Hawkins, Duncan)

The second list is a young core of elite talent, high picks, and late gems building their own story, who will all be peaking together in 2-4 years.

It's a proper core of players who will only be added to.

While I highly doubt they'll reach the heights of the '07-11 side, the young core we've got now resembles a the early '00s version of that side far more than the '13-15 contingent did.

They're not really comparable, and it's night and day IMO.

 

[allrighty]

Too many off field ? With him

Hard to know. Clearly he is bit of a dick.

I'm sure our senior players would have a big say in this one. They would know what has gone down with him.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

We can't turn over 10 spots in one year though.. like most things in life timing is everything

We've turned over ten spots plenty of years. Just not this many recognisable names

 

[Commando]

We've turned over ten spots plenty of years. Just not this many recognisable names

Not as many games experience though

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Not as many games experience though

Yeah the number of games experience is pretty unprecedented.

It's worth though doing a best 23 for next year and including all options on the table. Say Hawkins and Duncan are in that b22 probably. Rohan, Parfitt, Bews, etc not so much.

I listed 7 players with a combined 1,600+ games I would have out the door which has to be some kind of record but genuinely we'll only miss I think Hawkins and Duncan for 600 games. The rest aren't best 23 anyway (I think Rohan should be now and shouldn't be next year).

So 2016 North dumped 1300+ games and ended up a basket case. I think we're well enough coached and have enough kids coming through that we can attract players, and that will be the major difference. We're only a mid or two short of the best teams.

 

[Strange Cat]

Yeah the number of games experience is pretty unprecedented.

It's worth though doing a best 23 for next year and including all options on the table. Say Hawkins and Duncan are in that b22 probably. Rohan, Parfitt, Bews, etc not so much.

I listed 7 players with a combined 1,600+ games I would have out the door which has to be some kind of record but genuinely we'll only miss I think Hawkins and Duncan for 600 games. The rest aren't best 23 anyway (I think Rohan should be now and shouldn't be next year).

So 2016 North dumped 1300+ games and ended up a basket case. I think we're well enough coached and have enough kids coming through that we can attract players, and that will be the major difference. We're only a mid or two short of the best teams.

I still think some of the experienced players will be retained just to stagger that loss as that’s the normal route the club has taken over the years…it makes me very nervous seeing all that experience leaving the leadership will also be missed too which isn’t taken into account with retirements.

It’s going to be an interesting off season for mine I think Hawkins , Rohan and Duncan will go around again regardless of the merit in their form.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I still think some of the experienced players will be retained just to stagger that loss as that’s the normal route the club has taken over the years…it makes me very nervous seeing all that experience leaving the leadership will also be missed too which isn’t taken into account with retirements.

It’s going to be an interesting off season for mine I think Hawkins , Rohan and Duncan will go around again regardless of the merit in their form.

It has been, but if they've hit the wall they've hit the wall.

I can see someone like Duncan maybe just being on the list to guide kids through pre-season and coach them. But we'll already have a few of those.

I can't see Hawkins going around again. I don't think Rohan or Duncan will either

 

[Footy Smarts]

We're very different from North Melbourne at the end of 2016. They lost key players. They lost:

Harvey, Wells, Dal Santo, Petrie and Firrito. They played 109 out of a possible 115 matches in 2016 and included finishes of 4th (Wells), 5th (Harvey) and 7th (Dal Santo) in the B&F.

So they lost 5 best 22 locks including 3 of the top 10 in the B&F.

Who are we going to lose? Bews hasn't played a game. Parfitt is depth only. Rohan, Stanley and Tuohy are borderline best 22 and being repeatedly managed.

Only Duncan and Hawkins are still clearly best 22 and might leave. Even then Hawkins is definitely not top 10 in the B&F currently and Duncan probably isn't either.

So if we're in a similar ladder position to North we're at least not relying on the guys who will be leaving anywhere near as much as they were.

 

[Strange Cat]

We're very different from North Melbourne at the end of 2016. They lost key players. They lost:

Harvey, Wells, Dal Santo, Petrie and Firrito. They played 109 out of a possible 115 matches in 2016 and included finishes of 4th (Wells), 5th (Harvey) and 7th (Dal Santo) in the B&F.

So they lost 5 best 22 locks including 3 of the top 10 in the B&F.

Who are we going to lose? Bews hasn't played a game. Parfitt is depth only. Rohan, Stanley and Tuohy are borderline best 22 and being repeatedly managed.

Only Duncan and Hawkins are still clearly best 22 and might leave. Even then Hawkins is definitely not top 10 in the B&F currently and Duncan probably isn't either.

So if we're in a similar ladder position to North we're at least not relying on the guys who will be leaving anywhere near as much as they were.

Still feel a lot are discounting the leadership loss to the equation rather than the player’s performances loss

 

[Mattttty]

I wouldn’t give up Stengle for anything. For all the talk about small forwards being replaceable, he’s maybe the best in the comp ATM and probably leading our goalkicking.

I agree with this. He's a star and has been a consistent shining light down there this year. With luck he will be a cornerstone of our forward line for a long time to come.