Rumour GFC 2024 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt 2

[cats_09]

Ask and we'll try our best to assist - so here's 2024 Provisional AFL Draft Order

As normal, would like to acknowledge & thank Lore for creating this, keeping it up to date and making it available for all users on BF to use and keep track of the picks ahead of the upcoming draft





I'll also sticky this post to ensure it's easily accessible for discussion of our hypothetical trader


Also,

2024 Free Agency Period​

The AFL introduced free agency at the end of the 2012 season, giving players another vehicle where they can transfer from one club to another. Free agency is a common form of player movement in major football and sporting codes around the world.

Free Agency Opens: Friday October 4 at 9.00am
Free Agency Closes: Friday October 11 at 5.00pm

Continental Tyres AFL Trade Period​

Trade Period Opens: Monday October 7 at 9.00am
Trade Period Closes: Wednesday October 16 at 7.30pm

 

[Mr Meow]

Yeah my "if" did a bit of heavy lifting, but he was once, maybe again?

Still, the risks with it are a bit out of control

Melbourne have performed well today without Oliver.

Rivers in the guts, Bowey at half back isn't a bad set up.

If Viney was somehow still available (I know he isn't), even at his age I'd be sort of interested. He still fits that type of "bull" who is somewhat effective despite his limited kicking skills.

 

[calder_daddy]

One thing I want to point out with his fitness is that it looks like it didn't build through the season. He's training and playing every week pretty much. How did he not get match fit?

If I'm the club I want to be able to talk through that red flag

Personally I think he shouldn’t have came back when he did as he wasn’t ready.
You don’t know what happened, he could’ve copped a few injuries which just kept him plodding and not able to improve

 

[D BRIDGE]

Personally I think he shouldn’t have came back when he did as he wasn’t ready.
You don’t know what happened, he could’ve copped a few injuries which just kept him plodding and not able to improve

It's hard to have much confidence in the Melbourne fitness department.

The entire joint is a shamozzle at the moment.

Couldn't blame anyone for wanting out.

 

[Hinkley29]

So a kid who didn’t take his footy serious when he was 17 and has one off the rails post season and you’re going to write him off.
May as well not even be a competition if that’s the way you feel.
Imagine using a 17 years olds behavior against them.
We all made mistakes back then and if you said you didn’t then sir you are a liar

I don’t disagree with you.

But, to say last offseason is a one off is just not true.

Also, nearly all 17 year olds coming into the AFL environment are absolute professionals. They are not like your average cohort of 17 year old screw ups.

 

[Hinkley29]

The $64k question is:

Which way?

Exactly.

I would prefer not to find out.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Personally I think he shouldn’t have came back when he did as he wasn’t ready.
You don’t know what happened, he could’ve copped a few injuries which just kept him plodding and not able to improve

Yeah hence I would like to know what happened

 

[Hinkley29]

The gaslighting is elite. I can’t wait for once we land Smith and watching him in the hoops to gaslight yourself into believing you wanted him all along.


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If/when smith joins Geelong I will support him and hope he is awesome.

I am not one of those jerks who would prefer to be right than have my footy club succeed.

But that also doesn’t mean I have to agree with his recruitment.

You seem very very invested in the acquisition of smith and oliver though. Disturbingly so. I am intrigued by your motivation.

 

[Hinkley29]

Didnt Oliver get pinged for walking around snapping windshield wipers off random cars whilst off his head?

Also Showed up at preseason barefoot and in no condition to train

 

[Cataholic]

Exactly.

I would prefer not to find out.

The idea makes me nervous..... it's enticing because he was an awesome player at one point, but can he get himself back to that??

It could turn out a coup, it could blow up I our face.

But nervous as I may be, I'll back the club's process.......and hold my breath

 

[FishGutz]

FishGutz: have no idea with the truth behind the story of the Cats chasing Clayton Oliver but regardless, I just wanna say that your post and comments above was one of the best and mature reads I've had on BigFooty, you speak with much common sense and wisdom with regards to life realities and the many complexities, vulnerabilities and complications that can go with it, congrats and much thanks.

Thank you, I really appreciate it.


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[FishGutz]

That's a very rainbowy and unicorny version of what I have heard

Nothing rainbowy or unicorny about that post or my outlook on life. So I assume you’ve heard he is Ted Bundy 2.0?


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[MacStradbroke]

If/when smith joins Geelong I will support him and hope he is awesome.

I am not one of those jerks who would prefer to be right than have my footy club succeed.

But that also doesn’t mean I have to agree with his recruitment.

You seem very very invested in the acquisition of smith and oliver though. Disturbingly so. I am intrigued by your motivation.

Good outlook. I too am not a massive fan of Smith, and when he burns team mate after team mate next year (he does it for fun), I will carry on no doubt, but, he 100% improves our team so I’m keen to get him on board. Looking forward to it now.

 

[D BRIDGE]

Good outlook. I too am not a massive fan of Smith, and when he burns team mate after team mate next year (he does it for fun), I will carry on no doubt, but, he 100% improves our team so I’m keen to get him on board. Looking forward to it now.

Smith's non stop gut running will be good for us.

We still need a "big dog" that can win the hard pill in the guts though... hence the Oliver talk.

LDU would be unreal in 2026 and I'd rather throw cash at LDU than Oliver... but I doubt LDU wants to come to us so it's probably just wishful thinking.

If we have the $$$... I'm down to use it for a gun FA if we are a chance to get them.

 

[Hinkley29]

Oliver omitted from Melbourne team, and they win by 9 goals. Coincidence?

Discuss

 

[FishGutz]

If/when smith joins Geelong I will support him and hope he is awesome.

I am not one of those jerks who would prefer to be right than have my footy club succeed.

But that also doesn’t mean I have to agree with his recruitment.

You seem very very invested in the acquisition of smith and oliver though. Disturbingly so. I am intrigued by your motivation.

Doubling down on the gaslighting I see. I’ve noticed this is a common method of communication for you on this forum.

So I’ll humour it. As a fan, I am invested in recruitment decisions I see as positive. It gets me excited. As a fan, to have a recruitment team who goes after players from opposition sides who I really enjoy watching play and hold in high regard is thrilling to be honest. I go for Arsenal and spent years begrudging their decisions and lack of balls in transfers. So I know the other side of the coin as a fan and it is painful. Geelong just do things right again and again and I’m excited.

Also, on most posts about Smith and Oliver, not just my posts, you have countered with something negative. You have consistently voiced your negativity to the point I’ve said with the realities of this offseason that we are after both, you’ll have a lot of pain. Which you responded along the lines of you don’t take this as seriously as I think. So you’re just trolling? You just want to be annoying?

Anyway…

Now I have to ask, why is me being invested in our offseason and trades in sub-forum dedicated to this topic this disturbing to you?

And I also have to ask, what is it that you’re implying by your implication that I have any “motivation”?

Again, I know your usual communicative techniques so I ask you to answer directly rather than deflecting and gaslighting. See how you go.


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[calder_daddy]

I don’t disagree with you.

But, to say last offseason is a one off is just not true.

Also, nearly all 17 year olds coming into the AFL environment are absolute professionals. They are not like your average cohort of 17 year old screw ups.

I never said it was a once off
You said that.
We’re talking 10 years ago.
Not now, 10 years ago not all of them were professionals coming into the system

 

[calder_daddy]

Oliver omitted from Melbourne team, and they win by 9 goals. Coincidence?

Discuss

“The 27-year-old has also been dealing with a posterior cruciate ligament (PCL) injury and sore ribs and will sit out Melbourne’s final two games”


Sounds to me as they’re protecting the trade value of the young man

 

[catempire]

On the whole "we will regret not taking Nate Caddy" subject that gets brought up from time to time:

He's shown some great signs in general play but has the worst composure in front of goal out of any young forward I can remember in at least the last 10 years. Genuine stage fright in play on situations when he's 20m out and either a basic drop punt or snap shot is needed. Then a set shot routine that seems completely unreliable.

Caddy has plenty of time to sort these issues out of course. He's still kicked 9 goals this year. With even the smallest amount of composure he could've had 20 as it's not just the 10 behinds, he's had a bunch of out on the fulls or situations like last night where he hasn't ended up getting the actual shot off.

Caddy looks every bit a gun I’m afraid.

 

[Mr Meow]

Caddy looks every bit a gun I’m afraid.

If he finds composure in front of goal, yes.

Deer in the headlights when it comes to his kicks from within the arc this year.

Usually the sharp shooters don't start out erratic, although there are exceptions to that rule.

 

[catempire]

If he finds composure in front of goal, yes.

Deer in the headlights when it comes to his kicks from within the arc this year.

Usually the sharp shooters don't start out erratic, although there are exceptions to that rule.

His kicking is ordinary at the moment but his marking and athleticism is elite. He will be a fantastic player because the kicking can be improved (see, eg. Harry McKay).

 

[Mr Meow]

His kicking is ordinary at the moment but his marking and athleticism is elite. He will be a fantastic player because the kicking can be improved (see, eg. Harry McKay).

Yeah I agree on that. Everything elite for a youngster minus the goal kicking and decision making inside 50. Some of his field kicks are very tidy so he could sort it out.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Oliver omitted from Melbourne team, and they win by 9 goals. Coincidence?

Discuss

I don't think anyone is arguing he hasn't been dead weight this season

 

[Hinkley29]

I don't think anyone is arguing he hasn't been dead weight this season

Sounds like the perfect player to be committed to for 6 years. Just sayin

 

[Hinkley29]

If he finds composure in front of goal, yes.

Deer in the headlights when it comes to his kicks from within the arc this year.

Usually the sharp shooters don't start out erratic, although there are exceptions to that rule.

Kicking in general is his issue. Any deliberate kick (from a stopped play situation, mark or free kick) is really poor. Interestingly when he has to kick instinctively (snap kick, or field kick when he has no time to think) he is usually ok.

If he solves it he could be awesome.

If he doesn’t he could be Henry Playfair.

 

[Greg Brady]

Look, I feel like some people in here have lived a sheltered life and/or forgotten what it’s like to be young and involved in a club.

He’s dedicated his whole life to being the best he can be. And he was for a period the best player in the AFL. This isn’t a handy guy we are talking about, this is the best of the best. You don’t lose talent. You see it in sports across the globe, once a player mentally checks out playing for a club:/himself and is heart isn’t in it, they drop away. And being 10-20% off leaves you behind the pack.

He’s still young. He doesn’t have any degenerative injuries. He hasn’t r*ped or killed anybody. His story arc doesn’t make him a villain. You have to remember many of these professionals give away a part of their youth that their close mates have to get their body in peak condition. No late nights drinking etc. while they train by themselves.

So, when his personal life turned sour, he had a partner who was older than him who would’ve given him guidance and stability and when she left, he regressed. He started partying with guys who didn’t have his best interest at heart. They wanted to party with Clarry the now celeb. He let himself down. It was unprofessional and immature but it’s not diabolical.

Now, Melbourne, instead of embracing seemed to chastise him. And it was public and they didn’t protect their best asset. Things are sour, there are divisions all across Melbourne. Petracca who seems like the perfect character for a club wants to leave. Viney who is “heart and soul”, wants to leave. It’s a bad, bad environment where good people and winners don’t want to be.

Compare this to Geelong, who recently had a player, pass out in public and receive medical attention. How did they protect the player? They let him play the next week and filled him with encouragement. Told the media he will be fine and that he’s an adult and all the other players put their arms around him.

Oliver felt alienated and obviously has an attitude where he thought f these guys, I’ve given you my best to the point we won a premiership. I cbf putting in the work. Is that the wrong attitude? For sure. But it shows he’s human and his character flaws.

I know from personal experience being in a football club with a toxic environment makes you lose the passion for the game. These aren’t excuses, this is just reality.

And I believe - and I know Geelong believe - they are a club that can offer him the support he needs and the foundation to allow him to hit his best again. And as someone else said, he’s nowhere near as far off as people are making out. It’s 10-20% off the mark physically. A gap which is easily bridged over one hard dedicated preseason, which for the entirety of his football career with the exception of just one season he’s been up to. A vast majority of his effort issues etc. is coming from his mental game, where he’s checked out.

Surely even the most sheltered of us in here can relate to that last point. Where we have checked out at work, checked out in a relationship or even checked out on TV show that was once good but now turned to shit and we suddenly find ourselves on bigfooty doomscrolling instead of paying attention to a storyline going nowhere.

I’m backing him in to hit is his best again but I believe he has to leave Melbourne to do it. And what better place for a country boy than a country club like Geelong? Gives him a chance to get out the bubble of Melbourne and back to his roots. And what better club than Geelong? Put aside how he’s been this year and just imagine looking at him at Geelong through the lens of him at his absolute best for us. It’s beyond formidable, it’s downright scary. Him extracting the footy to Danger and Smith on the burst is what wet dreams are made of. Back the club in, they get it right much, much more often than not. Exciting times ahead.



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Great post