Rumour GFC 2024 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt 3

[cats_09]

Here's 2024 Provisional AFL Draft Order

Cheers to Lore for their hard work in setting this up, and making it available for all users on BF to use and keep track of the picks ahead of the upcoming draft - and please practice patience grasshoppers if it's not updated in the immediate aftermath of completed trade





I'll also sticky this post to ensure it's easily accessible for discussion of our hypothetical trader


Also,

2024 Free Agency Period​

The AFL introduced free agency at the end of the 2012 season, giving players another vehicle where they can transfer from one club to another. Free agency is a common form of player movement in major football and sporting codes around the world.

Free Agency Opens: Friday October 4 at 9.00am
Free Agency Closes: Friday October 11 at 5.00pm

Continental Tyres AFL Trade Period​

Trade Period Opens: Monday October 7 at 9.00am
Trade Period Closes: Wednesday October 16 at 7.30pm

 

[foxdog50]

What Key Forwards are around the pick 40s mark?

 

[Gee Class Loco]

Boy O Boy that Richmond draft hand looks very similar to Norfs the past few years and that of the Giants and the Suns of years past.
Gonna be a real messy couple of years for those at Punt Road.

 

[My Tilly]

I wish Oliver would’ve come but not to be.

He's damaged goods and will be gone from the game within a few years time.
We dodged a bullet there.

Focus on bringing Reid to the club.

The ironical part of all of this . . . in three years time we will have the best midfield in the competition but no longer have the best forward line.

 

[OzeSparky]

Over rated by some that are draft pundits.
I can’t see what the hoopla is all about TBH.
Plenty of others that are better and availability should be ok later on.
There’s a Bendigo lad that I think we’ve inquired about.

By memory one had a shot and missed a sitter too.

 

[foxdog50]

Plus we really officially don't know how many picks we got on the main list and rookie list do we? Eg if Ted Clohesy been upgraded etc

 

[Hamingja]

He ran a very good 2K so I doubt he is a forwardline guy only. We do like guys who can cover ground.

He is definitely in Wells' wheelhouse. Late bloomer due to the medical degree. Smashes the combine. There is upside potential there that Wells likes to gamble on.

I can't say I sit through a lot of Richmond VFL games and highlights revolving around goals can be a bit misleading but a lot of what he does is lead/mark/goal from what I have seen of him.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I think I’ve maintained all along at the end of the day, we all know Bailey is worth more than the 17 that was traded but it’d be foolish of Geelong to offer anymore considering the very small risk involved with getting him at that pick in the draft, you don’t win premierships with pleasantries so expecting anymore was foolish.

Trading Smith and Macrae for Kennedy and pick 17, then fleecing North for pick 25 for Caleb Daniel all the while saving 1.6m in salary cap space is probably a good result in the end.

It’s been very pleasant in this thread over the last few weeks. Thanks for all the welcoming chats and wish you all a happy off season!

Good to talk to someone level headed!

 

[Stan The Caddy]

It completely depends on the contract.

you cannot assess the acquisition without knowing how much we are paying.

Yes you can. It's a win.

 

[Turbocat]

He is definitely in Wells' wheelhouse. Late bloomer due to the medical degree. Smashes the combine. There is upside potential there that Wells likes to gamble on.

I can't say I sit through a lot of Richmond VFL games and highlights revolving around goals can be a bit misleading but a lot of what he does is lead/mark/goal from what I have seen of him.

Just think he is the type we might look at late but Im sure here will be others..

 

[Hinkley29]

Yes you can. It's a win.

So if we gave Smith a 7 year deal at $1m+ per annum you still like the trade?

Salary cap flexibility is more valuable than draft picks. Just ask Melbourne.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

imagine we hit this single pick lawson humphrey style.

Could come in to pick 42, where we once picked up local carpenter and my own personal jesus Tom Stewart

 

[Turbocat]

That’s my rationale as well. Next years draft is a bit ho hum - all the good kids are academy kids - so I’d be all for trading our FF in a Holmes scenario.

To me Hotton screams Wells… he was in the discussion for top ten …then he did his knee. ..so do take the risk. Watching Ashcroft sort tells me that its probably something worth considering…

..but really we dont even know if we can get a trade yet.. If it doesnt happen then maybe we go the next clip… someon in that next group ..and we trade our future R2 for something in the middle. Clubs up north will want R1s and r2..cause R3’s and back are worth less ..

 

[Turbocat]

What Key Forwards are around the pick 40s mark?

I like Sims.

 

[cat_shack]

Boy O Boy that Richmond draft hand looks very similar to Norfs the past few years and that of the Giants and the Suns of years past.
Gonna be a real messy couple of years for those at Punt Road.

Everyone is applauding. I don’t get it at all. They just moved out 4 of the best 5 players on their list out. There is f all talent left, outside of Taranto, Hopper, Lynch and Balta. The majority of their picks are in that danger zone, where if draft evals don’t plan out, youre left with a whole crop of Billie smedts type players. History has proven time and time again, you can’t blow a list up and expect a group of 1st or 2nd yr players to shoulder the load. It will be 4-5 years before they are competitive, and that’s if they nail picks, and not screw their development by expecting too much too soon.

 

[year of the cat]

To me Hotton screams Wells… he was in the discussion for top ten …then he did his knee. ..so do take the risk. Watching Ashcroft sort tells me that its probably something worth considering…

..but really we dont even know if we can get a trade yet.. If it doesnt happen then maybe we go the next clip… someon in that next group ..and we trade our future R2 for something in the middle. Clubs up north will want R1s and r2..cause R3’s and back are worth less ..

I think Hotton unfortunately will be taken before we get an opportunity to trade our FF. He’s absolute quality and would have been imo a top 4 pick if he hadn’t done his knee. Richmond with all those picks should use one on him.

I’ll have to give it some thought who I’d trade our FF for… I assume unless the Tigers now bunch some picks together to move up we could potentially trade it for around pick 23?

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Mackie takes the poker no blinking thing seriously don’t he?

Far out if he was looking at me like that when negotiating I'd give up whatever he wanted to just get out the room. Looks a madman

 

[Turbocat]

So if we gave Smith a 7 year deal at $1m+ per annum you still like the trade?

Salary cap flexibility is more valuable than draft picks. Just ask Melbourne.

The contract talk that was floated was he was only on 700 on about 4 or 5 years… Im sure it will be reported at some stage…. Id think 700 would be surprising moderate with the cap going up ..

 

[Kobe Gryant]

To me Hotton screams Wells… he was in the discussion for top ten …then he did his knee. ..so do take the risk. Watching Ashcroft sort tells me that its probably something worth considering…

..but really we dont even know if we can get a trade yet.. If it doesnt happen then maybe we go the next clip… someon in that next group ..and we trade our future R2 for something in the middle. Clubs up north will want R1s and r2..cause R3’s and back are worth less ..

Would love Hotton, just got to hope he slides a bit and someone's willing enough.

Problem is, we're paying a bit of a tax here with nobody rating the 2025 draft + clubs loving the 2024 draft + our expected finishing position.

No matter how pessimistic some of us may be going into '25, the reality is the wise guys have us tied third favourites for the flag, and I assume clubs would feel similarly.

Regardless, any club predicted to finish in the eight with next year's compromised crop will be fighting an uphill battle to get back in.

We may have to 'overpay' at least by the optics, but the deal lives and dies by the quality of the player in reality.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Are the Whitlock boys any good?
I watched a U18 champs game and they hardly touched it.

I think both will be decent role players.
but they are not high level afl players like the king twins. I wouldn't spend a first rounder on either given their form this year.

 

[Turbocat]

I think Hotton unfortunately will be taken before we get an opportunity to trade our FF. He’s absolute quality and would have been imo a top 4 pick if he hadn’t done his knee. Richmond with all those picks should use one on him.

I’ll have to give it some thought who I’d trade our FF for… I assume unless the Tigers now bunch some picks together to move up we could potentially trade it for around pick 23?

Its early and he may be gone…. but Im sure they will have a group of names … and it would not surprise in the draft that some slips thru

 

[Hinkley29]

The contract talk that was floated was he was only on 700 on about 4 or 5 years… Im sure it will be reported at some stage…. Id think 700 would be surprising moderate with the cap going up ..

I could live with that contract. 5 years is too many, but 4 is ok.

But until we know we don’t know.

My point is - everyone gets so much excited about the pick cost but that is the least important cost of the acquisition.

Losing a draft pick will not derail a list building strategy. Signing a player to an albatross contract can.

 

[Turbocat]

Would love Hotton, just got to hope he slides a bit and someone's willing enough.

Problem is, we're paying a bit of a tax here with nobody rating the 2025 draft + clubs loving the 2024 draft + our expected finishing position.

No matter how pessimistic some of us may be going into '25, the reality is the wise guys have us tied third favourites for the flag, and I assume clubs would feel similarly.

Regardless, any club predicted to finish in the eight with next year's compromised crop will be fighting an uphill battle to get back in.

We may have to 'overpay' at least by the optics, but the deal lives and dies by the quality of the player in reality.

The Points clubs will still need picks …. so it may be R1 or R2 ..but im sure we trade something for another pick

 

[Turbocat]

I could live with that contract. 5 years is too many, but 4 is ok.

But until we know we don’t know.

My point is - everyone gets so much excited about the pick cost but that is the least important cost of the acquisition.

Losing a draft pick will not derail a list building strategy. Signing a player to an albatross contract can.

It is 700 id take 5 for no issue. The way the sal cap is moving … it may be that every club has several 1m dollar player soon.

Brayshaw for example… might demand 1.3 next year as a Free Agent… crazy numbers. I think 5 is about as far as id want to go. Think we did 5 for Cameron.

 

[ShadowCat]

ShadowCat Whitlock actually makes a lot of sense.

Let him develop in the VFL until Jez hangs them up, and either be a plug and play partner to Neale, or Neale replacement if he doesn't kick on as hoped.

Some won't like it, and that's fine, but it does sound like something we would do.

We would've built our spine through the draft

• SDK
• JHenry
• COS
• Conway/Edwards
• Whitlock
• Neale

While adding the finishing touches through trades and shrewd drafting (O Henry, Humphries, Holmes, Smith, Bruhn).

Might not all work out, as nothing is a guarantee, but you can at least see what the idea would be there.

It's what I think MIGHT happen, as we are one of the teams most in need of another KPF - and Tigers are a near guarantee to grab Armstrong, IMO.

Another huge guess, but I reckon it could work out maybe something like this:

Tigers swap 10, 11 and 23 for Pick 2 (North) and a Future 3rd
Tigers swap 18 to us for Future 1st (Geelong live trade)

Tigers go in with Picks 1, 2, 6, 20, 24. Tigers won't bid on Ashcroft due to their handshake, so unfortunately he makes it to Pick 3, Blues.

Pick 1 (Richmond) - Jagga Smith
Pick 2 (Richmond) - Sam Lalor
Pick 3 (Brisbane) Carlton bid matched - Levi Ashcroft
Pick 4 (Carlton) - Finn O'Sullivan
Pick 5 (Adelaide) - Sid Draper
Pick 6 (Melbourne) - Harvey Langford
Pick 7 (Richmond) - Harry Armstrong
Pick 8 (Essendon) St Kilda bid matched - Isaac Kako
Pick 9 (St Kilda) - Alix Tauru
Pick 10 (St Kilda) - Josh Smillie
Pick 11 (Gold Coast) - Melbourne bid matched - Leo Lombard
Pick 12 (Melbourne) - Toby Travaglia
Pick 13 (North Melbourne) - Murphy Reid
Pick 14 (North Melbourne) - Luke Trainor
Pick 15 (West Coast) - Bo Allan
Pick 16 (Port Adelaide) - Jobe Shanahan
Pick 17 (Fremantle) - Xavier Lindsay
Pick 18 (GWS) - Taj Hotton
Pick 19 (GWS) - Cooper Hynes
Pick 20 (Brisbane) Bulldogs bid matched - Sam Marshall
Pick 21 (Bulldogs) - Joe Berry
Pick 22 (Geelong) Richmond live trade swap with our Future 1st - Jack Whitlock

Like I said, just a random forecast of how it could shake out that way. Very few teams actually need another developing key forward. Only us, Brisbane (no picks), Collingwood (no picks), Melbourne (could choose Armstrong over Langford causing the Tigers to choose Whitlock, but Langford feels like such a Melbourne pick, that it wouldn't surprise if it worked out that way). They've also got Jefferson developing too, so feels like a 'best available' sort of pick rather than anything concrete.

Whitlock just makes sense for us. If we can finish Top 8 in a compromised draft next year, and land a free agent for actually nothing this time around, then it ticks multiple boxes. Risk attached for us with very little for Richmond, as Pick 22 for at worst Pick 22 next year if we somehow snuck a flag, is pretty good business. Could be a Top 10 pick, so there'd be no reason for them to be concerned at that number.

See what happens, but it's fun to forecast

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Where's Oliver?

Like all of us, he is trapped by the consequences of his own decisions