Rumour GFC 2024 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt 3

[CatRiot]

When do we stop going Woke again and start listing playing weight again? Lol

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Everyone is applauding. I don’t get it at all. They just moved out 4 of the best 5 players on their list out. There is f all talent left, outside of Taranto, Hopper, Lynch and Balta. The majority of their picks are in that danger zone, where if draft evals don’t plan out, youre left with a whole crop of Billie smedts type players. History has proven time and time again, you can’t blow a list up and expect a group of 1st or 2nd yr players to shoulder the load. It will be 4-5 years before they are competitive, and that’s if they nail picks, and not screw their development by expecting too much too soon.

I think it's more that those rats were always fleeing the sinking ship. If you consider those a sunk cost then they've had a win on that, still sinking, ship.

The titanic may be going down but the band is playing

 

[Hinkley29]

The threshold for albatross level contract has gone up a lot too. Cap is 17m+ compared to 13m when we last signed a million dollar player and Smith likely isn't getting that.

I am all for signing a million dollar player, as long as the player is worth it. Bailey isn’t worth it, so I hope we aren’t paying him that or giving him one of the crazy long deals that seem to be all the rage at the moment.

I keep hearing about the increase in salary cap, which is great and all, but the smart teams will spend it well. Just because you have the extra cap doesn’t imply that you need to overpay a dubious new acquisition.

I hope we are a smart team.

 

[Hinkley29]

Cheers for the share mate, great vision!

Few thoughts:

Video is only 10 minutes, it repeats halfway through with some weird music, haha.
I don't know what the f*ck Dogs supporters are talking about. Yeah he can butcher it sometimes, but there was some absolutely elite kicking in that highlights package.
He can kick it 50+ with ease, and his burst running is much more consistent/faster than I thought
He handles big moments well, and wants them
Different player, but definitely has elements of Danger - and will be a friggin' formidable pairing with Holmes next year

Lets calm down with the danger comparison.

Danger is in a completely different league to Bailey Smith.

 

[Hinkley29]

You and I both know we're not going to do that. That's why it's a win. It's called critical thinking.

I prefer to deal in realities than hypotheticals. But each to their own.

 

[Gazza Greatness]

I am all for signing a million dollar player, as long as the player is worth it. Bailey isn’t worth it, so I hope we aren’t paying him that or giving him one of the crazy long deals that seem to be all the rage at the moment.

I keep hearing about the increase in salary cap, which is great and all, but the smart teams will spend it well. Just because you have the extra cap doesn’t imply that you need to overpay a dubious new acquisition.

I hope we are a smart team.

Not sure why you think Bailey Smith could possibly being paid big-overs, where not that club. The club fully understands the importance of the salary cap and keeping players contracts within reason. Every main player at club is playing for unders compared to the open market. Even with Holmes new contract, it was was probably at a minimum 200k+ less per year than what he would have got on the open market, that's the Geelong/Joel Selwood way and the 'only way' to be continually 'finals competitive' as a AFL football club and GO CATS !!!

 

[cats_09]

So if we gave Smith a 7 year deal at $1m+ per annum you still like the trade?

Salary cap flexibility is more valuable than draft picks. Just ask Melbourne.

Yes, because the trade value of an out of contract but not yet free agent player, is a separate to the contract that the player then agrees to when signing with Geelong

Hypothetically, IF Smith agreed to join Geelong on a deal of $400k per season for 3 years, it's not like the Bulldogs are going to turn around and say they'll accept a third round pick for him in trade discussions because he's signing on for less than the average wage - Smith would still be worth a first round pick but there'd be a shit load of questions about what under the table deals we've got going on

Whether Smith signs a contract for $700k for 5 seasons, $800k for 4 seasons or $1million for 4 seasons doesn't change the basic idea that we didn't over pay at the trade table to bring him in


As another hypothetical, IF Smith was a free agent and the club went against their pay structure to offer him an inflated contract in the hope of it not being matched which would force a trade, that's when his salary would be more relevant to discussion on the acquiring Smith

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Now for something fun, now that the Smith deal is done!

From the whispers I can gather, this is how I reckon it shapes up post draft/trade/ssp/, as an absolute hail mary guess:

OUT:

Tuohy
Hawkins
Rohan
Parfitt
Murdoch
Foster
Jeka
Hardie
Willis

IN:

B. Smith
J. Martin
C. Bourke (Cat B Irish Rookie)
Jack Whitlock KPF - Future 1st swapped with Richmond for Pick 18 -
Lachie Jacques HBF - Pick 40 (In from 45 after bids, and a Falcons kid)
Lachlan Blakiston Mature Age Ruck - Pick 53 (In from 57 after bids)
Well special - Pick 75 (Into around 60ish after passes/more bid matches)
DFA/SSP (Curtis Taylor possible?)
Rookie spot remaining for MSD

Besides the first 2, and maybe Bourke and Blakiston, absolute shot in the dark and won't even get close - but fun to guess!

BUT WE HAVE SMITH! Huzzah!

I can already see it…

Mack truck “ hey Richmond, we will give you our Frnd1 for your pick 18”

Richmond” WE AINT FALLING FOR THAT AGAIN! f OFF!!”

Richmond extends for a further 5 minutes and goes into a frenzied mode trying to hack the geelong pc system to see who wells and mackie had lined up.

 

[Oisin_the_Goat]

B: Zuthrie, SDK, J. Henry
HB: T. Stewart, Kolo, L. Humphries
C: Dempsey, Danger, Blics
FO: Conway, Holmes, B. Smith
HF: O. Henry, J. Cameron, Miers
F: Stengle, S. Neale, Close
INT: Mannagh, Bruhn, C. Guthrie, J. Martin
Sub: Bowes

Is Martin best 22 ? I'm gathering he probably wasn't at Carlton

 

[Oisin_the_Goat]

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Just because some teams did more trades, doesn't mean they were good lol

 

[Stan The Caddy]

I prefer to deal in realities than hypotheticals. But each to their own.

Semantics.

 

[Max Rooke]

Given the dogs are trying

Your wish is my command

27, 28, 31, 34, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, will all get soaked up. Ashcroft, Lombard, Kako, Marshall will all get bids. Our first pick will be...drumroll please...

Pick 40.

Going to guess we trade our future 2nd to Richmond on the night if there’s a player we like at one of their later picks (20, 23, 24)

 

[Hinkley29]

Yes, because the trade value of an out of contract but not yet free agent player, is a separate to the contract that the player then agrees to when signing with Geelong

Hypothetically, IF Smith agreed to join Geelong on a deal of $400k per season for 3 years, it's not like the Bulldogs are going to turn around and say they'll accept a third round pick for him in trade discussions because he's signing on for less than the average wage - Smith would still be worth a first round pick but there'd be a shit load of questions about what under the table deals we've got going on

Whether Smith signs a contract for $700k for 5 seasons, $800k for 4 seasons or $1million for 4 seasons doesn't change the basic idea that we didn't over pay at the trade table to bring him in


As another hypothetical, IF Smith was a free agent and the club went against their pay structure to offer him an inflated contract in the hope of it not being matched which would force a trade, that's when his salary would be more relevant to discussion on the acquiring Smith

That doesn’t make any sense.

Acquisition cost is TOTAL acquisition cost. You can’t seperate parts of the cost, because once the player is yours you are on the hook for the entire cost. You can’t just give him back to the bulldogs if the contract is an exorbitant one.

A real life example would be like buying a strata property. It is no good paying a decent purchase price on the property if the ongoing strata levies are crazy expensive. The 2 are inextricably linked.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I am all for signing a million dollar player, as long as the player is worth it. Bailey isn’t worth it, so I hope we aren’t paying him that or giving him one of the crazy long deals that seem to be all the rage at the moment.

I keep hearing about the increase in salary cap, which is great and all, but the smart teams will spend it well. Just because you have the extra cap doesn’t imply that you need to overpay a dubious new acquisition.

I hope we are a smart team.

I hope that too and understand the position, but I think we're smarter than the average bear, especially on cap

 

[foxdog50]

I like Sims.

Any information on him?

 

[Hinkley29]

Not sure why you think Bailey Smith could possibly being paid big-overs, where not that club. The club fully understands the importance of the salary cap and keeping players contracts within reason. Every main player at club is playing for unders compared to the open market. Even with Holmes new contract, it was was probably at a minimum 200k+ less per year than what he would have got on the open market, that's the Geelong/Joel Selwood way and the 'only way' to be continually 'finals competitive' as a AFL football club and GO CATS !!!

I hope you are correct. I have faith in the club, but until we know the details it is all just guessing.

I have a question though - why would Bailey Smith accept less from Geelong than he could have gotten in the open market? Out of the goodness of his heart?

 

[D BRIDGE]

I hope you are correct. I have faith in the club, but until we know the details it is all just guessing.

I have a question though - why would Bailey Smith accept less from Geelong than he could have gotten in the open market? Out of the goodness of his heart?

Doggies would say Cotton On.

I'll say that he wants to live here and is already rich as fook with 785 endorsements.

 

[#6 Thorp #7 Selwood LOL]

Is Martin best 22 ? I'm gathering he probably wasn't at Carlton

On talent he was. Body let him down badly.

 

[Hinkley29]

Is Martin best 22 ? I'm gathering he probably wasn't at Carlton

I feel like our recruiting team is still enamoured with that game a million years ago at Kardinia Park when he had 21 possessions and kicked 3 goals against us as a 20 year old.

 

[Hinkley29]

Doggies would say Cotton On.

I'll say that he wants to live here and is already rich as fook with 785 endorsements.

In my experience rich as fook people don’t discount their comp rates. That is how they get rich as fook.

So I guess he must really love the surf coast vibe, and really hates commutes of greater than 1 hr.

Or, as you say - Cotton On.

Or even more likely - he isn’t taking under market value to play for Geelong.

 

[sexyhunk]

so after all that, dont we still have a few spots we need to fill? after all those delistings, we only have smith and martin so far.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Sam Power

Sam Power

Age

41

Ht

190cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.7

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

6.9

4star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.0

4star

No current season stats available

D

7.8

2star

K

3.8

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.6

4star

gunning for Dodoro's throne.

Haggled for a week with St.Kilda to move from getting 47 for Macrae to getting 45.

Haggled with Mackdog for a week to go from 17 to 17 and swap 45 for 38... Which will move into pick 40 on draft night.

Wouldn't want him bargaining for your next used car. The price would stay the same but he'd "bend" their arm for a free air freshener.

 

[standupand]

That doesn’t make any sense.

Acquisition cost is TOTAL acquisition cost. You can’t seperate parts of the cost, because once the player is yours you are on the hook for the entire cost. You can’t just give him back to the bulldogs if the contract is an exorbitant one.

A real life example would be like buying a strata property. It is no good paying a decent purchase price on the property if the ongoing strata levies are crazy expensive. The 2 are inextricably linked.

This analogy doesn't quite work because players are not property. The two agreements are separate. One between Geelong and WB for the transfer. Another between Geelong and Bailey for his services. While Geelong has a stake in both negotiations, the bulldogs have no stake in the second, so the first is based on whatever is considered fair/acceptable as between the clubs.

 

[you pick one]

When do we stop going Woke again and start listing playing weight again? Lol

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Bailey Smith​

#6 Geelong Cats
Age: 23yr 10mth Games: 103 Born: December 7, 2000 Origin: Sandringham Dragons
Height: 185cm Weight: 86kg Position: Midfield, Forward
Drafted: Round 1, Pick #7 2018 National Draft by Western Bulldogs
Supercoach Price: $448,600 Supercoach Profile
AFL Fantasy Price: $752,000 AFL Fantasy Profile
Contract Status: Out of contract at the end of 2025 AFL Player Contracts

Guide only the no 6 was his Dogs number
Contract I'd say is a default when unknown?
Height and weight will be close enough was 185cm and 83kgs first year at the Dogs so 86 kgs is to be expected.

 

[supahoops]

Sam Power gunning for Dodoro's throne.

Haggled for a week with St.Kilda to move from getting 47 for Macrae to getting 45.

Haggled with Mackdog for a week to go from 17 to 17 and swap 45 for 38... Which will move into pick 40 on draft night.

Wouldn't want him bargaining for your next used car. The price would stay the same but he'd "bend" their arm for a free air freshener.

Well you’d need the air freshener as it’d be a bit musty by the time he drove it out of the dealers.