Rumour GFC 2024 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt 3

[CatToTheFuture]

So after the finish of player trade period… but not yet the finish of pick trade period … Gold Coast have already got 3 2025 R1 picks .. … heck of a head start for next year...

They'll look to trade most out for Uwland #2 so someone is going to get them for free

 

[Kobe Gryant]

Could you imagine the chiselled abs combination with Smith? The crowd would sound like a crowd meeting the beatles in the 60s.

 

[Munich]

OK I'm not totally against this.

 

[Munich]

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Those shorts are um, tight

 

[Lana]

Forgeting its one big bag in a good draft…is it any more than other clubs like North etc have had. They are banking on that those that are drafted to Richmond ..stay at Richmond. Pies probably thought OHenry would stay there too. Clubs like Pies Blue Dons etc will come for some of them..

They’ve done a repeat of those Melbourne drafts that they absolutely bottled. I think that the strength of this draft is overstated. An even draft doesn’t necessarily mean a strong draft. I see a lot of potential of Matt Crouches going early this draft

 

[Lana]

Nothing against those who now will discuss the various draft prospects for November but many a draft thread has taught me no one here is really an expert.

Deven Robertson and Brodie Kemp are two examples of players many were desperate for us to get. Both were attempted trades this week.

Everyone has attributes they like, gets hard to predict how guys will be used once at the level especially those that miss heaps of footy. Those crying out for Kemp weren’t seeing him being a KPD. The guys with clearer futures go super early.

Trying to pick out the next Luke Parker or Rockliff out of a group of 30 similar guys is difficult, clubs these days don’t seem to try anymore

 

[Kobe Gryant]

They’ve done a repeat of those Melbourne drafts that they absolutely bottled. I think that the strength of this draft is overstated. An even draft doesn’t necessarily mean a strong draft. I see a lot of potential of Matt Crouches going early this draft

I'd be more worried about the development tbh.

There's every chance they could pick the right guy, and still look like they screwed it up because they've got no development pathway around him.

It's pretty hard to believe Melbourne, Carlton, & Norf over the years just always managed to pick the wrong kid.

Conversely, it's highly unlikely Hawthorn, Geelong, & Sydney almost always pick the right kid, often times with late selections.

It's just clubs who know how to develop and squeeze the most out of whatever talent is available, contrasted with those who don't.

 

[supahoops]

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BS should recreate this in Cotton On boxers with his cat by his side.

 

[Lana]

I'd be more worried about the development tbh.

There's every chance they could pick the right guy, and still look like they screwed it up because they've got no development pathway around him.

It's pretty hard to believe Melbourne, Carlton, & Norf over the years just always managed to pick the wrong kid.

Conversely, it's highly unlikely Hawthorn, Geelong, & Sydney almost always pick the right kid, often times with late selections.

It's just clubs who know how to develop and squeeze the most out of whatever talent is available, contrasted with those who don't.

When you have a strong squad you don't have to squeeze the most talent out an individual player, you have a larger cohort of players fighting for a smaller number spot, the pick of the bunch get the opportunity. On a weaker squad everyone gets in.

3 more talented players who have to deliver from day one, who are getting battered from day 1 against 3 less slightly less talented but guys who had to fight for their opportunity against 10 others in the same boat, who get protected on the field until they're ready.

 

[CatTricks]

any chance we have a look at McAndrew after being delisted at sydney? Would be an upgrade on Conway

 

[Art Vandelay_]

If they want to carry another ruckman, there is space.

That’s the point. They don’t want to commit more list spaces than they currently do to ruckman.

Has always staggered me how few people listened to Balmey when he was here. Other than the '2 weeks injury' joke.
He said it a few times lists have too few or too many rucks and there's no in between.

If we play 1 of SDK/Conway/Stanley and Blicavs. There's still 2 of those rucking in the VFL. None can really play FF either.
If we add another ruck then where are their development minutes going to come from. Remember there's also Edwards and Furphy on the list as well to develop.

We do not need another ruckman.

We basically have an empty rookie list. We absolutely have the space to add a ruck particularly if he's ready to go.

I admire your persistence on this, even after the club repeatedly do the exact opposite.
Pining for an increase in ruck stocks for 3 MSD's and 3 ND's in a row. Particularly an experienced ruck.

All we've done is draft Edwards and rookie Furphy.

 

[CatRiot]

Where do our picks likely end up being after Academy/FS and all the late pick "passing" by other clubs? Our later picks probably Late 50s or Late 60s in this draft?

 

[Gunf]

Where do our picks likely end up being after Academy/FS and all the late pick "passing" by other clubs? Our later picks probably Late 50s or Late 60s in this draft?

First pick will end up around 40 maybe lower our second pick around 50 after that who knows as clubs will start passing

 

[Johanpetro]

any chance we have a look at McAndrew after being delisted at sydney? Would be an upgrade on Conway

Say that again?

 

[OzeSparky]

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That is a good looking dog.

 

[CatTricks]

Say that again?

Well he could probably get on the park once in a while for starters

 

[foxdog50]

The positives ..I see is he is a big frame , is capable of strong contested marks.. which I feel is key to the top level compared to super talented guys like Lukocious .. combine show he a reasonable leap and is reasonable agility.
The negative is he need to work on his conversion, technique needs a little work and he is more Hawkins than Cameron..if you know what I mean…. and we seem to like the latter more than the former.


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Looks good to me Turbocat, let's take him with our 1st pick..

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Where do our picks likely end up being after Academy/FS and all the late pick "passing" by other clubs? Our later picks probably Late 50s or Late 60s in this draft?

45 will end up at 30-35 after bid matches and the later picks will be 50s and early 60s.

 

[foxdog50]

Sometimes I miss him, then I think nah he can GAGF

I'm the same....
I think maybe we should take him as a rookie pick, than I think he GAGF

 

[BORIS332]

I'd be more worried about the development tbh.

There's every chance they could pick the right guy, and still look like they screwed it up because they've got no development pathway around him.

It's pretty hard to believe Melbourne, Carlton, & Norf over the years just always managed to pick the wrong kid.

Conversely, it's highly unlikely Hawthorn, Geelong, & Sydney almost always pick the right kid, often times with late selections.

It's just clubs who know how to develop and squeeze the most out of whatever talent is available, contrasted with those who don't.

Look up Barry Prendergast's record as a recruiter and you'll realise it's very possible they "picked the wrong kid".

 

[BORIS332]

any chance we have a look at McAndrew after being delisted at sydney? Would be an upgrade on Conway

Played two career games, not sure how that's an upgrade.

 

[BORIS332]

Has always staggered me how few people listened to Balmey when he was here. Other than the '2 weeks injury' joke.
He said it a few times lists have too few or too many rucks and there's no in between.

If we play 1 of SDK/Conway/Stanley and Blicavs. There's still 2 of those rucking in the VFL. None can really play FF either.
If we add another ruck then where are their development minutes going to come from. Remember there's also Edwards and Furphy on the list as well to develop.

We do not need another ruckman.

I admire your persistence on this, even after the club repeatedly do the exact opposite.
Pining for an increase in ruck stocks for 3 MSD's and 3 ND's in a row. Particularly an experienced ruck.

All we've done is draft Edwards and rookie Furphy.

To be fair, both Edwards and Furphy look the goods.

 

[My Tilly]

Well he could probably get on the park once in a while for starters

Again, Conway is 21 years of age. He was never going to be rushed back into any program given his size and long-term prospects.

If he is still in rehab this same time 2026, we may have issues but look around the league right now, all the better rucks came good by their mid to late 20's.

 

[year of the cat]

The positives ..I see is he is a big frame , is capable of strong contested marks.. which I feel is key to the top level compared to super talented guys like Lukocious .. combine show he a reasonable leap and is reasonable agility.
The negative is he need to work on his conversion, technique needs a little work and he is more Hawkins than Cameron..if you know what I mean…. and we seem to like the latter more than the former.


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This is the tall forward I prefer…

 

[Kobe Gryant]

Look up Barry Prendergast's record as a recruiter and you'll realise it's very possible they "picked the wrong kid".

There's every chance they could pick the right guy, and still look like they screwed it up because they've got no development pathway around him.

^ That's what I'm getting at.

It's something that's crossed my mind occasionally, after seeing dozens of talented and hard working kids fail to take the next step every single year.

Sure, it's possible they're all just duds, and recruiters of certain clubs just continue to get it wrong year on year.

My rationale though is that these things had the potential to play out very differently.

Had many of these kids been drafted to strong clubs, with sound development pathways, and ingrained leadership and high standards from the coaching staff down to the senior players, we could be having a different conversation on many careers over the journey.

Little from column A, little from column B probably.