Club Focus Gold Coast SUNS 2023

[Chris25]

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[tiger_tough]

We're supposedly chasing it but it would be difficult to get done though IMO. We'd need to trade a couple of players out and package a few picks up. Will be alot easier for a few other clubs to come up with a suitable deal.

Hopefully Dimma looks after us

 

[Maybe Tomorrow]

Especially if Flanders leaves, I'd think pick 5 is far more likely to be used for either
A) Dumping Fiorini (I hope not, it's the worst option IMO)
B) Getting a very good player
C) Moving the whole pick to next year

If I'm GC at minimum, I want to move at least some of the value of the pick into next year, supporters on here hoping to get the 3-4 junk picks for more points for 5 I think are going to be disappointed. GC have enough picks as it is

Fiorini extended and smoothed out his contract to stay. All the noise is that the cap is under control now.

It really depends on where the club thinks the bids will be as to whether the pick gets moved to next year. There are more well regarded academy kids coming over the next few years to plan for too.

 

[Mich0]

Doubt if they try get ahead of Walter pick, they will then have enough points for the 3 academy kids so we can almost write that off.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Hawks future 1st likely to be on offer if Suns want to get max value for Pick 5.

 

[mpal6]

Bulldogs probably early favourites with 13,16 but all depends if suns need points or are looking to trade for a player.

If Suns get 13 and 16, we'll be interested in trading for one of them with our future first.

We have multiple late picks too to build up points for Suns.

 

[Jeremias]

Hawks future 1st likely to be on offer if Suns want to get max value for Pick 5.

Sure, but that’s not what the OP is asking.

Many clubs could offer future picks.

 

[theiaofseed]

What? If they trade up to #2 then they can take somebody else and then someone else will bid on Jed.

Best case scenario for Gold Coast is West Coast overtaking North and then making a deal for their 2nd.

It's the cost to trade up, why give up good resources just to add another player in when you're already adding 3 top 15 picks.

 

[perplexed]

I think there is normally a critical mass of talent you can take in in one year before you gets serious diminishing returns. GC have basically 3 first round picks this year. Moving up to 2 is going to cost them a future 1st, are they better off having 4 first round picks this year and none next year or 3 this year and 2 next year? I dont think many clubs get good returns on more than 3 1st rounds picks in a draft

I think it depends on who they have coming through the academy next year. If they can't attract a gun player to trade for, and their future first is likely to be lost to a bid, then they may as well trade up this year.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I think it depends on who they have coming through the academy next year. If they can't attract a gun player to trade for, and their future first is likely to be lost to a bid, then they may as well trade up this year.

We'll see, I have a feeling this would be a case of each of us seeing what we want to see. I'd like Freo to be in the race with their future 1st and you'd like to get a haul for pick 2 or 3.

I think moving value to next year gives more flexibility (there is often massive change to player draft rating from year to year so why not head into next year with lots of options) and makes more sense in spreading talent acquisition but if there is someone they really really like at the top end this year then trading up makes sense

 

[Jirik13]

That's what I personally think it's going to be. Whichever bottom 8 club has the most valuable future 1st plus one pick in this year for a couple more points. It makes the most sense value wise

I am pretty sure WB offer containing 2 first round picks this year is probably the best offer I have seen so far. Suns could then convert one pick for future first and the other pick trade for more points if needed. Multiple teams will try to get hands on Suns pick, there will be bidding, best offer takes all.

BTW, Fiorini spreaded his contract until 2025 (Sexton and Swallow too). No need to repeat Bowes dump.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

It's the cost to trade up, why give up good resources just to add another player in when you're already adding 3 top 15 picks.

Yeah, they will be much better off to cobble together enough points and get value for Pick 5.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I am pretty sure WB offer containing 2 first round picks this year is probably the best offer I have seen so far. Sund could then convert one pick for future first and the other pick trade for more points if needed. Multiple teams will try to get hands on Suns pick, there will be bidding, best offer takes all.

BTW, Fiorini spreaded his contract until 2025 (Sexton and Swallow too). No need to repeat Bowes dump.

All depends on the points spread needed I think. The Dogs trade is best for maximising points this year and moving some value to next year because pick 13 gets you a top 8 (probably more like top 4 really) sides future 1st. If Flanders leaves (which seems increasingly likely) then I'd think getting a predicted bottom 8 sides future 1st is more valuable.

Basically a sliding bar of where Suns want the value. Ones things guaranteed though, Suns are going to get an awesome offer and make out like bandits

 

[Lach72]

All depends on the points spread needed I think. The Dogs trade is best for maximising points this year and moving some value to next year because pick 13 gets you a top 8 (probably more like top 4 really) sides future 1st. If Flanders leaves (which seems increasingly likely) then I'd think getting a predicted bottom 8 sides future 1st is more valuable.

Basically a sliding bar of where Suns want the value. Ones things guaranteed though, Suns are going to get an awesome offer and make out like bandits

Interesting.
We take the gamble on moving up the ladder to lessen the pain this year?
If West Coast hold pick one, I wouldn't be averse to doing that.

The possibility of grabbing McKercher or Daniel Curtain with 5 is definitely a tasty prospect

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Interesting.
We take the gamble on moving up the ladder to lessen the pain this year?
If West Coast hold pick one, I wouldn't be averse to doing that.

The possibility of grabbing McKercher or Daniel Curtain with 5 is definitely a tasty prospect

If either side want to do it and GC want to maximise future value, Hawks and us have the most valuable future 1st I'd think. Both still young next year, both would back themselves to improve though. I'd be comfortable basically doing Henry value and the future 1st for the GC pick

 

[Mofra]

Won’t these be needed for Croft?

A lot of talk that we want to trade up to get ahead of a Croft bid. We grabbed a bunch of late locks last year at the trade table.

Suns having 3 gun academy kids means they can sell of their first rounder to the highest bidder. That may not necessarily be us as only have a late second rounder after our two late firsts.

 

[Jirik13]

Fair enough. We all want those, but itis not as easy to do.

A grader will not happen most probably unless Hardwick does some magic. So we will move some pick(s) forward. More good academy kids coming in following years.

 

[Golden_6]

Won’t these be needed for Croft?

We simply can't allow for either 13 or 16 to be used on Croft, it would be terrible draft management. We need to ensure we use those picks to either get a draft selection well before Croft (ie Pick 5) or move the later selection to 2024.

If Croft is bid on at pick 15 and after the 20% discount, we would only require pick 44 (in addition to our current pick 35) to match the bid. A first rounder shouldn't be touched.

 

[The 747]

A grader will not happy most probably unless Hardwick does some magic. So we will move some pick(s) forward. More good academy kids coming in following years.

Hai, wanna trade with Geelong again

 

[Mich0]

Hawks future 1st likely to be on offer if Suns want to get max value for Pick 5.

Doubt this happens. Doesn’t help GC with points in 2023, if anything leaves them with an even bigger hole.

 

[Mich0]

We simply can't allow for either 13 or 16 to be used on Croft, it would be terrible draft management. We need to ensure we use those picks to either get a draft selection well before Croft (ie Pick 5) or move the later selection to 2024.

If Croft is bid on at pick 15 and after the 20% discount, we would only require pick 44 (in addition to our current pick 35) to match the bid. A first rounder shouldn't be touched.

I think Bulldogs are in pole position to be honest. If points from later picks is enough for Croft you might do 13/16 for 5.

 

[Iva Bigun]

I think Bulldogs are in pole position to be honest. If points from later picks is enough for Croft you might do 13/16 for 5.

So the Suns trade 5 for 13 and 16 to get points we don’t need? Surely there is better use of 5 and less expensive ways to get an extra 400 ish points

Having said that it sounds like something the Suns would do

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I think Bulldogs are in pole position to be honest. If points from later picks is enough for Croft you might do 13/16 for 5.

The Dogs would jump at that but people need to look at the math. Here is basically a worst case scenario points wise.



GC have ample points and ample picks as it stands and the above is like worst case scenario bidding IMO. They could do some dodge deal with North and get Walters bid on at like pick 4 which brings the points requirement down to 3.7k and I'd almost guarantee you Read and the other NGA kid go later than this, most the academy bids always come in later than expected (cough Tom Green cough).

And I'm moving the entire value of pick 5 and the three 4ths here, I'm sure they can get some extra points while they are trading them into next year while they are at it.

GC by far get the most value trading a large amount of the value of pick 5 into next year

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

So the Suns trade 5 for 13 and 16 to get points we don’t need? Surely there is better use of 5 and less expensive ways to get an extra 400 ish points

Having said that it sounds like something the Suns would do

I did the math for you =)

 

[GoldenCoastalSunshine]

Hai, wanna trade with Geelong again

No thank you! Hope you're enjoying Bowes' salary. Tell him we miss him.

 

[The 747]

No thank you! Hope you're enjoying Bowes' salary. Tell him we miss him.

Eh Bowes is doing OK for us. Not setting the town of Geelong on fire but he is adjusting.