Analysis Hawks 2022 Hypothetical trades (read the pinned post)

[Strapping Young Lad]

Firstly, the "No Kane Cornes

Kane Cornes

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78kg

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11.0

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5.2

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3.3

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2.6

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13.0

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7.6

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5.4

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3.0

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1.2

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" Rule is back

 

[HeHateMe]

I just think many people look at draft picks like luxury cars. They’re shiny /mesmerising and appear to have excellent value…..until the car leave the dealership and the value begins to plummet.

Seems to be a constant that people think the untested player you could get with a draft pick is better value than one already in the system.

I think Bruhn’s been played on the fringes by GWS and what I’ve seen him do when given a decent run is better than pretty much every kid on our list (which justifies the first round pick they used).

I said earlier I think Tom’s objectively worth 15 - 30 (which we won’t get) mainly because he’s rock solid but his best years are probably behind him. I fail to see what Tanner has/hasn’t done in 2 years at GWS to warrant a slump in value.

This is normal, with the draft there is an opportunity cost. This is because when going to the draft you have the opportunity to land an elite talent, look at Jackson for example, his value is up because he is a marquee player. By trading the pick you lose this opportunity, most players are just solid not elite.

Also clubs down the bottom would have a higher need to land the next Fyfe, Ablett, Dusty than clubs up the top who already have their core players and are just bring in solid talent to address needs. So this is why you see more top clubs trade 1st rounders for needs.

The best way to land elite talent is to get lucky at the draft because as we have seen clubs don't let go of these types easily. So by contrast if your just a solid player not elite (which most are) than your value is lower because the premium is no longer relevant.

 

[kirbatron]

the leafy streets of dingley bitch!

 

[RIOLINWITPUNCHS]

Not sure how much weight this holds but Parish to Hawthorn was discussed on SEN.

Appears to just be a wishful supporter I would imagine.

 

[killerspud]

On a serious note Junior Rioli has declared he wants out of WCE to get traded to PA surely that would make trading for a player like Brocky more of a priority for them now .

Who? Still have Ryan, Cripps and Jared Cameron

 

[daniel23]

Not sure how much weight this holds but Parish to Hawthorn was discussed on SEN.

Appears to just be a wishful supporter I would imagine.

A wishful essendon supporter wanting to get rid of him , give me Mitchell everyday of the week.

 

[hawkmang]

I don’t give a f..k about his eyebrows. Just get him. I get the worry, I am too old to worry about this s..t

Who? Still have Ryan, Cripps and Jared Cameron

Jared Cameron retired

 

[Bugs1977]

 

[Bugs1977]

So they will need to trade for him? I thought he was contracted for 1 more year.

Straight up for Gresham. I reckon without the eyebrows maybe we throw in a future 4th

 

[The Jet From Poowong]

Gresham should come to Hawthorn if only to escape being eaten by Hartigan

 

[TylerDurden]

Parish to us?? What the??

 

[Blackhawk42]

Hartigan to St.Kilda actually makes sense. Dougal Howard

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Dougal Howard

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28

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199cm

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94kg

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Def

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10.9

3star

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7.8

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3.1

3star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.4

3star

MG

176.2

3star

D

9.9

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

1.4

1star

M

4.7

4star

T

0.6

1star

MG

171.9

3star

D

9.0

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.8

5star

MG

133.8

3star

and Josh Battle

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Josh Battle

Age

26

Ht

193cm

Wt

93kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.9

3star

K

9.0

3star

HB

3.9

3star

M

5.0

5star

T

2.4

4star

MG

196.8

3star

D

11.0

3star

K

7.3

3star

HB

3.8

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.8

3star

MG

142.8

3star

D

10.8

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.0

4star

MG

175.6

3star

are fine, but they won't stop the massive forwards when the heat is on.

Looks like they still believe they have a shot at it in the next 2 seasons so are going after a mature, big bodied defender.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

A wishful essendon supporter wanting to get rid of him , give me Mitchell everyday of the week.

You’re crazy.

 

[Bremner20]

This is normal, with the draft there is an opportunity cost. This is because when going to the draft you have the opportunity to land an elite talent, look at Jackson for example, his value is up because he is a marquee player. By trading the pick you lose this opportunity, most players are just solid not elite.

Also clubs down the bottom would have a higher need to land the next Fyfe, Ablett, Dusty than clubs up the top who already have their core players and are just bring in solid talent to address needs. So this is why you see more top clubs trade 1st rounders for needs.

The best way to land elite talent is to get lucky at the draft because as we have seen clubs don't let go of these types easily. So by contrast if your just a solid player not elite (which most are) than your value is lower because the premium is no longer relevant.

I think the arrival of GWS and GC has changed the way the other clubs approach drafting/trading a bit though . If we look at the AFLs strategy to get these teams competitive ASAP they were given so many draft concessions and then when they were finished these concessions they were then able to trade these for even more high draft picks , so if you recall the drafts from 2011 right through almost to 2019 seemed to be dominated by them at the high end . What we are seeing now is the inevitable overflow of talent from this that they just can’t possibly within the rules hang onto its a natural phenomenon. So far we haven’t had the stock to take advantage of this as much as some others . Hopefully this year though we dip our head in the trough a bit more too there are some young kids available every bit as young and as talented as those in the draft that are available hopefully our guys are smart enough to take advantage.

 

[Jazzfan]

You’re crazy.

Bombers big footy around Parish is basically a mirror image of ours with Tom.

He's younger, but he has the exact limitations you and others reference with Tom.

180cm inside mid that's not damaging with the ball, isn't quick and doesn't defend.

Even with all that, he's costing a top 10 pick.

Yep, better off with Tom.

On another note, if we really wanted a 25-26 y.o inside mid, why on earth are we not trying to land Hopper?

 

[Blackhawk42]

Bombers big footy around Parish is basically a mirror image of ours with Tom.

He's younger, but he has the exact limitations you and others reference with Tom.

180cm inside mid that's not damaging with the ball, isn't quick and doesn't defend.

The major difference is that Parish can take the ground ahead of him and has a more penetrating kick that Mitchell. That's if you have to compare the two. I don't believe either of them are our answer moving forward.

 

[Brishawk]

Bruhn exiting gws

 

[Brishawk]

I must of missed something. Where is the parish talk coming from? Just a big footy hypothetical?

 

[Bremner20]

Who? Still have Ryan, Cripps and Jared Cameron

They really rated him the year we beat them to the punch though , and they prioritise accumulating homegrown talent too , because theyve seen how a lot of these guys are so much more settled and a much better player when they’re back over there closer to home .

 

[Ned Ryerson]

I must of missed something. Where is the parish talk coming from? Just a big footy hypothetical?

SEN caller - so just under Bigfooty scuttlebutt on the reliability scale.

 

[TylerDurden]

Bombers big footy around Parish is basically a mirror image of ours with Tom.

He's younger, but he has the exact limitations you and others reference with Tom.

180cm inside mid that's not damaging with the ball, isn't quick and doesn't defend.

Even with all that, he's costing a top 10 pick.

Yep, better off with Tom.

On another note, if we really wanted a 25-26 y.o inside mid, why on earth are we not trying to land Hopper?

He'd cost pick 6. There's no chance he's with us.
In fact Dodo would want 2 firsts.

 

[derp de derp]

Are the Duursma links legit? Has stagnated but he's a ripper

It’s only ever been mentioned in this thread I believe.


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[Gene Simmons]

He'd cost pick 6. There's no chance he's with us.
In fact Dodo would want 2 firsts.

Lucky Clarko isn't calling the shots, he'd be trading 2 firsts + DGB to get it done!

 

[Iceman!]

It’s only ever been mentioned in this thread I believe.


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The Duursma wanting out has been mentioned by other fans as well, got no idea if he is leaving but seems to be a lot of smoke around him being unhappy

 

[Gene Simmons]

The Duursma wanting out has been mentioned by other fans as well, got no idea if he is leaving but seems to be a lot of smoke around him being unhappy

Wasn't Duursma the player they picked up with the draft pick we gave up for Wingard?

It's fate...

 

[derp de derp]

The Duursma wanting out has been mentioned by other fans as well, got no idea if he is leaving but seems to be a lot of smoke around him being unhappy

Duursma spoke upon arrival in Perth last night on 9 news denying any trade links following the report Port are meeting Rioli.


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