Analysis Hawks 2022 Hypothetical trades (read the pinned post)

[Strapping Young Lad]

Firstly, the "No Kane Cornes

Kane Cornes

Age

41

Ht

183cm

Wt

78kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

23.5

5star

K

12.5

5star

HB

11.0

5star

M

5.2

5star

T

3.3

5star

CL

2.6

4star

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D

13.0

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.2

3star

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[Judd2Sewell]

What’s with the lamenting about (possibly) missing out on players who want a trade?

I’d much rather free hits like Amon.

We miss out on players seeking a trade but keep our draft picks so it’s not a disaster.

We can do both, we should be doing both.

Players like Bruhn, Flanders and Henry are in the perfect age bracket for us. They are (currently) undervalued highly rated youngsters that have yet to cement their spot in their respective sides.

These guy are all highly rated first rounders that have shown something at AFL level. In Bruhn and Flanders' case they haven't had a chance to play in their preferred positions at AFL level regularly (or at all in Flanders' case). They have all had a few years worth of pre-season too so should be able to come in and contribute straight away.

We won't have to burn a first rounder to bring them in, they will mature and develop with the rest of our young core, they play in roles that we need. Just like Scrimshaw we should be targeting these kinds of players.

I trust Mitchell and co would be able to develop them and think opportunities like this are just too good to refuse. Amon is a quality wingman and will surely come in and hit the ground running, but by the time our young core are entering their primes he will be 31/32.

 

[KermitJagger]

Jack Ginnivan anyone?


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Is this a legit connection? Ginnivan strikes me as the type of player who will get figured out very easily, wouldn't want to pay what Collingwood would ask.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

Is this a legit connection? Ginnivan strikes me as the type of player who will get figured out very easily, wouldn't want to pay what Collingwood would ask.

Was a mad Hawks fan, if that even means anything anymore.

 

[burner1]

Flanders putting on a clinic in the VFL prelim, Ned Moyle looks really awesome too- such a shame we couldn’t grab him in the MSD

From the bits I saw looks like a potential Mitchell replacement - first possession winner, can find the ball, quick decision maker. Just took short options but generally hit targets by foot. His Game obviously needs improvement (as otherwise wouldn’t be playing vfl) but reckon we could teach him a few tricks.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

Ramsden >>> Moyle

Ramsden has that rare athleticism for a ruckman. It will be interesting to watch/compare him with Edwards and Moyle over the years. I think Ramsden is a better match with Lynch and Reeves

 

[Hodge2NormSmith]

Jack Ginnivan anyone?


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Clever small forward with great goal sense, would love him at the Hawks dependent on cost.


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[Davo-27]

Jack Ginnivan anyone?


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we couldve got him for a rookie pick, but i guess no one wanted a non athletic goal kicking forward with skill a couple of years ago...

 

[hardway]

With Mitchell & Gunston now looking very likely to depart to Collingwood & Brisbane respectively.

Gunston having met with Brisbane very recently - Fages a big influence here - 2 possibly 3 year deal mooted.

That makes it at least 8 list changes required, Amon a confirmed arrival.

McEvoy
Howe
Shiels
Callow
Downie
Phillips
Hartigan
Gunston
Mitchell

There is no way we will be taking 8 18 year olds in the upcoming National draft to fill the list.

We could only reasonably assume we have at least 2-3 mature targets confirmed before filling the rest of the list with 18 year olds.

This shapes up as our most important off season in a long time.


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1 spot you would think would go to a mature aged ruck.

 

[hfc70]

With Mitchell & Gunston now looking very likely to depart to Collingwood & Brisbane respectively.

Gunston having met with Brisbane very recently - Fages a big influence here - 2 possibly 3 year deal mooted.

That makes it at least 8 list changes required, Amon a confirmed arrival.

McEvoy
Howe
Shiels
Callow
Downie
Phillips
Hartigan
Gunston
Mitchell

There is no way we will be taking 8 18 year olds in the upcoming National draft to fill the list.

We could only reasonably assume we have at least 2-3 mature targets confirmed before filling the rest of the list with 18 year olds.

This shapes up as our most important off season in a long time.


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Hawks want/need Gunston to stay - Jack knows this. We aren’t giving up that easily.
We‘ve offered 2 years…..maybe we need to go 3 to get it over the line.
Would be extremely disappointing if he goes.

 

[KermitJagger]

Ramsden has that rare athleticism for a ruckman. It will be interesting to watch/compare him with Edwards and Moyle over the years. I think Ramsden is a better match with Lynch and Reeves

Will be interesting to see what happens with Edwards because he simply doesn't look up to the level.

 

[Minnesota Wisdom]

With Mitchell & Gunston now looking very likely to depart to Collingwood & Brisbane respectively.

Gunston having met with Brisbane very recently - Fages a big influence here - 2 possibly 3 year deal mooted.

That makes it at least 8 list changes required, Amon a confirmed arrival.

McEvoy
Howe
Shiels
Callow
Downie
Phillips
Hartigan
Gunston
Mitchell

There is no way we will be taking 8 18 year olds in the upcoming National draft to fill the list.

We could only reasonably assume we have at least 2-3 mature targets confirmed before filling the rest of the list with 18 year olds.

This shapes up as our most important off season in a long time.


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You'd think we'd elevate Newcombe, Bramble and Blanck. Callow was on the rookie list. So I wouldn't be surprised if we add Amon and maybe one more then hit the draft.

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[H00t]

Is this a legit connection? Ginnivan strikes me as the type of player who will get figured out very easily, wouldn't want to pay what Collingwood would ask.

Kicked 39 goals in 22 games this year and he still is a bit of turning 20.

I agree pies will be asking for a lot unless there is other issues behind the scenes? And pies are wanting him gone for that reason.

In which case I’d be avoiding

 

[Judd2Sewell]

Clever small forward with great goal sense, would love him at the Hawks dependent on cost.


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Might mean the end of Brockman

 

[dermott]

Jack Ginnivan anyone?


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I seem to recall he was a Hawks supporter, but that doesn't count for much in player movement.

 

[Brant]

Might mean the end of Brockman

 

[Hawthorn23]

If you think Collingwood fans were pissed when they lost Treloar, Stevo and Phillips, they’d go nuclear if they let go of Ginnivan. I’m all for a young quality small forward

 

[hardway]

DeGoey should be the target.

 

[Pinoy Hawk]

Jack Ginnivan anyone?


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Is he being discussed as part of the Mitchell deal?

 

[Billyc]

I think that's pretty bad for us.
That's giving up 3x assets for 1; two of which (Tom Mitchell + Pick 6) are bloody good.

IMO, we can't sell the farm for 1x high Pick. Having only 2 + 38 would be pretty bad.

Points wise it puts Mitchell at about pick 39, which I agree is slight unders (his value is closer to 30, but i'm not expecting a great deal). But it would depend on whether pick 2 is seen, as some are suggesting, as being quite significantly more valuable than pick 6 in this years draft. More than anything our list needs top end midfield talent. If we are losing players and assets, that should be the focus.

 

[Cleavy]

is Liam Henry from Freo worth a look as a small forward?

 

[hardway]

is Liam Henry from Freo worth a look as a small forward?

Love this kid, silky smooth mover.

 

[Flukey!]

DeGoey should be the target.

He has been excellent the last few games I have watched.

 

[daniel23]

is Liam Henry from Freo worth a look as a small forward?

If he can develop a hard edge to his game he has tools to become a decent player. I'd take a chance for the right price.

 

[TylerDurden]

He has been excellent the last few games I have watched.

Surely they re-sign him now.

 

[PenAndPaper]

Surely they re-sign him now.

Why they are trying to get rid of Grundy I think