How does Tom Hawkins...

[Trav 20]

buddy/ tredders/ brown/ all the GUN forwards were playing well at that age.

You can add Carey, Kernahan, Riewoldt, Brereton, and Lockett. David Neitz playing as a CHB made AA at 20. The very best young key forwards were all showing plenty by the age of 20. Hawkins is too slow and cumbersome for the modern game.

It's completely understandable that Geelong supporters are leaping to his defence, but I'm sure many of them harbour similar concerns.

May end up a useful footballer, but I see no star. As stated, the best young key forwards weren't far off being stars by his age.

 

[alfy!]

One bad game and BF is on his back. Where were these threads for the first couple of months of the season, when he has been playing well?

 

[andrepetz]

Irrelevant. Brown was a chf moreso than he was a ff.

Out of their first 26 games (The number Hawkins is on currently) they have both taken 129 marks. I'm not trying to claim Hawkins is better than Brown at the same age, but some of the stuff on this thread is absolutely ridiculous. Brown had the fab four feeding him the ball, just as Hawkins has the current Geelong midfield. So far Hawkins has been very good this year, and this game is just a small speedhump that he has hit.

 

[the_interloper]

Truely, i believe he is on level with Mitch Thorp, only difference is, Geelong have a free osition for a developing KPP.


Waits for Lunch Lady Doris and other geelong posters to chuck a hissy fit

Is it true that Mitch Thorp is one of the most arrogant rookies to pull on a boot? I've heard some scuttlebutt about him, suffice to say it seems he enjoys the smell of his own farts!

 

[Mervyn Beasley]

Is it true that Mitch Thorp is one of the most arrogant rookies to pull on a boot? I've heard some scuttlebutt about him, suffice to say it seems he enjoys the smell of his own farts!

Isnt this normal?

 

[caitsith01]

get selected ahead of Gamble???

Team Balance? Potential?

Because it can not be about output.

Many Geelong supporters agree with you 100%, including me.

 

[Trav 20]

Out of their first 26 games (The number Hawkins is on currently) they have both taken 129 marks. I'm not trying to claim Hawkins is better than Brown at the same age, but some of the stuff on this thread is absolutely ridiculous. Brown had the fab four feeding him the ball, just as Hawkins has the current Geelong midfield. So far Hawkins has been very good this year, and this game is just a small speedhump that he has hit.

Buckley just said on AW that he's too one dimensional. He's a lead/mark/kick player that doesn't suit Geelong's existing structure and he doesn't know where he fits in the modern game.

Of course he could be wrong...

Sadly, I don't think so.

 

[Geelong2k9]

I reckon I would of kicked more goals than Hawkins with the delivery he gets and how often in comes in. Another goaless effort tonight, seems to be pretty good at handballing on the edge of the 50.

Also his goal kicking is very suspect, even the ones he gets. The good 5metres of drift he gets with the kick surely can not be Hawkins himself doing it.

Geelong however won't drop him as Bay13 would go into meltdown.

Well, please go down to the club, advise them of your belief, and maybe you can help us try and get another flag

The worrying thing for Hawkins is that you won;t get much better service that the Geelong midfield and he still looks very ordinary.

If he stays in the side and they win the flag, I think he might be a contender for the "Spuds that have premiership medallions" club.

Nah.....Shannon Byrnes.....

I reckon I could kick 50 with the cats too. All you have to do is throw yourself forward in a tackle and bingo, shot on goal.

Funny how they introduce a forward with a dodgy kick after choking in a GF with a bunch of chokers in front of goal.

On BF, Port Adelaide supporters dont have much chop talking about Geelong, hey, who knows?? Maybe Port could've got within 15 goals had Hawkins played in the 07 GF??

I would take taylor walker in a heart beat over the big sloth hawkins.

Take him then, do what you will.....

Jack Anthony > Tom Hawkins

Matthew Scarlett > Simon Prestigiacommoscoococcoccomo

Irrelevant. Brown was a chf moreso than he was a ff.

Hawkins is a CHF, if yoyu were to watch any of the Geelong games, Moons is the FF/CHF, Hawkins roams around the 40 metre mark and further.....that sounds more like a CHF than anything to me.

 

[The Casey Cat]

Went to a mates place to watch the game with a few Geelong supporters and when they were honest with me they admitted they were gutted that he couldn't stand up when the heat was on. Last night was make or break for mine, he shows flashes and spurts and then goes missing. The potential is still there, no question. But how long can you carry a KPF that can't reach his potential in front of that midfield?

It's not that simple. Yea we have a great midfield but we play in a way which does not necessarily suit the way Hawkins will like it all the time. He has done well the last few games. I don't think delivery to Hawkins in particular last night was that flash and Lake is as hard (or harder even) to beat one on one as any defender in the comp (yes including Scarlett).

And make or break? He's 20 and only just getting over a broken foot and interrupted pre season. My gosh we seem some stupid garbage here some times.

 

[scooterb]

Yadda yadda yadda....

Nice irrelevant post. I guess attacking another posters team makes their opinion false. Perhaps you're insecure about something?

By the way, you're an idiot because you have to pay money every year to change your name.

 

[Geelong2k9]

Nice irrelevant post. I guess attacking another posters team makes their opinion false. Perhaps you're insecure about something?

By the way, you're an idiot because you have to pay money every year to change your name.

I never wrote the yadda yadda yadda on this post, I dont know where that came from.

And how am I an idiot for changing my name?? Where does it say I paid money to do as such???

 

[Pettas]

And make or break? He's 20 and only just getting over a broken foot and interrupted pre season. My gosh we seem some stupid garbage here some times.

Have to find something wrong with Geelong.... apart from Ablett's baldness and Ling's face what else do they have?

 

[The 747]

To answer the OP in the midst of all this trolling...

I assume the OP knows little about the Geelong list because if he or she did they would know that Geelong are not exactly replete with KPFs.

It is not like Hawkins is keeping a couple of our gun young forwards out of the side. Podsiadly plays FF for the VFL team, our best young KPF prospect in that team has done a knee and that is basically all we have.

Gamble is not a key forward so he will not take Hawkins' spot. At present the only player who can take Hawkins spot is Tom Lonergan.

In the midst of this run of wins for the Geelong side we have also copped two major blows, both of which only become apparent when one of the senior talls gets injured. We lost the CHF (Ablett) and CHB (Egan) from our premiership team.

Neither were planned losses and it has left a hole in our list in terms of competent talls.

As for Hawkins, he is going alright this year with some good signs. There is no way he is going to beat Brian Lake in a pressure game as the sole KFP though at this stage of his career.

 

[darren forssman]

J brown did a hell of a lot more than kick 27 goals in those games. If i recall correctly Lynch had the goalsquare to himself and the goals were being well shared.
Comparing the 2 is ridiculous.

if i recall correctly, mooney and johnson also play in the forward line and the goals being well shared. most probably the 3rd option.

 

[conanthelibrarian]

In his previous 4 weeks, Hawkins' has been averaging 17 possessions, 8 marks, 3 tackles, 2 goals and 1 goal assist a game. Just as a comparison, Jonathan Brown was averaging 16 possessions, 8.5 marks, 1 tackle, 4 goals and 0.5 goal assists a game over the same period. Brown has it over him on the scoreboard, but Hawkins stacks up well with him in the other areas, and averages 3 times as many tackles. Not bad for a 20yo developing KPP.

 

[NMFC ALWAYS]

He is use to being a monster among kids in junior leagues , and i don't think he is coping well with the bigger bodies of the AFL .

Won't live up to the big billing ( sorry decent Cat's fans )

He might have potential , but i reckon he is a bit soft !

 

[chopper41]

Geelong are in a rebuilding process and need to give their kids experience.

 

[HulkHawkins]

Funny how they introduce a forward with a dodgy kick after choking in a GF with a bunch of chokers in front of goal.

A persons intelligence is always truly exposed on BF

A Port Adelaide imbecile calling Geelong chokers

Seriously funny shit

 

[rose jam]

Geelong are lucky to have him because when GC17 comes in they'll have something juicy enough to get into the draft with.

Hawkins is no good, if you can't perform with the silver service you're getting now go to the Gold Coast and earn some free cash Tommy, Warrick Capper style

 

[lohnro]

I agree Hawkins most definetly cracked under pressure, am I suprised? no.

He's still a kid, he's had limited game time in the AFL. I'm really quite suprised with all the know alls on bigfooty there's still people that forget key position players take longer to develop.

Give the kid a break, he's never come out and said "IM AM THE GREATEST FULL FORWARD TO EVER GRACE THE AFL". Geelong obviously see some potential in him, and I think theyre a little bit more qualified than bigfooty keyboard warriors.

 

[Mervyn Beasley]

if i recall correctly, mooney and johnson also play in the forward line and the goals being well shared. most probably the 3rd option.

Me bad then. Hawkins is better than J Brown was in his 3rd season

 

[andrepetz]

Me bad then. Hawkins is better than J Brown was in his 3rd season

Coz thats exactly what he said.

FFS Theres are many levels of playing between "How does this guy get a game", and "Better than Jonathon Brown". Mooney is the main focal point of forward, and so far this season Hawkins has been mainly working up the ground, almost as CHF. Tell me have you watched Hawkins at all in the past month? Or are you basing it all on one game?

 

[STC]

Here we go again. When Hawkins plays well there is deafening silence, but then when he is stuck as our only key forward for a game, with us getting smashed out of the middle for a fair bit of the second half and Gamble, the next closest thing we had to another marking forward, injured for the game, and he plays a poor game he is a hack who is not even VFL standard, too fat (ironic coming from Hawks supporters), can't run and can't kick.

Where were all these threads a few weeks ago when he was taking marks all over the ground and kicking goals?

Never mind the fact that he's only 20 years old, and those stats about him, Brown and Franklin show, above all, that key forwards develop slowly.

As for Gamble, he is one of my favourite young players (as you can see on my avatar) but why on Earth would we play a game with one key forward by choice?

Geelong are in a rebuilding process and need to give their kids experience.

If we don't play kids now then what happens to us in a few years when the older guys retire? If we keep developing promising youngsters, then we can ensure that the team doesn't bottom out for 3 years because we only planned in the short term.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Waits for Lunch Lady Doris and other geelong posters to chuck a hissy fit

You're not worth it.

 

[Mervyn Beasley]

Coz thats exactly what he said.

FFS Theres are many levels of playing between "How does this guy get a game", and "Better than Jonathon Brown". Mooney is the main focal point of forward, and so far this season Hawkins has been mainly working up the ground, almost as CHF. Tell me have you watched Hawkins at all in the past month? Or are you basing it all on one game?

Dont know that anything i've had to say is relevant to this.
I'm just saying dont compare him to J Brown based on goals kicked after 27 games.
Whilst I'm here, to answer your question, I've seen him more than twice in past month, and many times before at VFL and AFL level.