How much longer can Bolton survive?

[chunkylover53]

The problem that Carlton face with letting Bolton go now is that with them two games clear on the bottom of the ladder it would be an admission that they’ve stuffed up the last four seasons.
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Absolutely not. Bolton is a dead man walking and will be gone either at the Bye or end the of the year, however I don't think his 4 years has been a complete failure.

We committed to resetting the club and culture and I think he's done that. He's helped build a decent core of young kids and retained them - they've all signed on for long term deals. Good indicator that at least the culture and environment is a good one. He just can't coach very well at football - it's all too learned and technical.

He is just Brendan McCartney MKII. I don't think you'd find many Dogs fans feel any hostility towards him, he gave 4 (?) years of service and bought a group together - who from all reports grew super close. GWS spent their first 3 years under Sheeds, Brisbane had Leppitsch for a few, Neeld also.

We will get Brad Scott I think.

 

[JohnnyFontane90]

Imagine being Cripps being sold this crap for the last few years only to sack Bolton and admit failure.

I love Carlton think a full on rebuild was required when Really bulldogs, Richmond turned it around almost instantaneously

the direction was correct. carlton was one of the oldest lists in the AFL in 2015 when it won the wooden spoon.

sacking bolton would be an admission that they appointed the wrong coach. no shame in that. nobody has a crystal ball. brisbane, port, adelaide, melbourne, st kilda, gold coast and bulldogs appointed the wrong coach and sacked them later within the last decade.

this isn't a finals team but this is a side that has much more talent than the 4 wins in 40 games (or whatever that ridiculous stat is) would suggest. i think the carlton job should be pretty desirable to a coach that half knows what they're doing.

 

[Kram]

Sack Stephen Silvagni and his spud son first.

 

[Dont_Shoot_TheMessenger]

Sack Stephen Silvagni and his spud son first.

**** you you piece of shit!!!!


* forgive me, I am at stage 2 - Anger


*clearly satire

 

[Priddis Is Done]

If Blues head into the bye without another win, expect he'll be gone.

Carlton have a few winnable games coming up, can't see him coaching out the season if Blues head into the bye with only 1 win

Who steps in as the interim coach?

I have no idea on who the assistants are at Carlton. Any strong leaders?

 

[Priddis Is Done]

Carlton is a coaches graveyard right now. I can only see a Paul Roos or a Brad Scott survive there right now (realistic coaches choices).

Very valid.

Who in their right mind as experienced coach would go there?

On a hiding to nothing sadly.

 

[Surely Paul]

I agree with you, the sunk cost fallacy applies here. But 76 has a very good point in that people like Judd have come out very strongly in support of the current setup, urging supporters and players like Cripps to show faith based on the promise of fruits born of starting from scratch.

Even if it's the right call to move Bolton on, it's a huge about face. Apart from fallout amongst supporters, it's demoralising for staff and players within the club to fly in the face of the message you've spent three or four years selling every day. My club rode it out for longer with Bucks, but there was unwavering belief in him from guys like Eddie. I'll admit that despite my immense respect for Nathan Buckley, I wilted and was ready for the club to throw money at Clarko.

Do senior figures at Carlton have the same belief in Bolton? We're about to find out.

Buckley still yet to succeed though...

 

[aflfootyfanatic]

Not gonna lie, I feel for the bloke he gave his all for the club and his team are still shit, I reckon he doesn't have long after his last 2 matches.

 

[PP34]

Touy, Henderson, Gibbs, Holman are probably exactly the type of demographic you need right now.

You can say “look at what we’ve brought in”... but guess what you’ve won 3 games in the last year and a half.

Please explain what is the point of keeping around players that don’t want to be at Carlton?

Henderson and Gibbs didn’t want to be at Carlton. They would have just left at the end of their contracts if we didn’t trade them. Much smarter to trade them and get something in return. Any list manager would agree with this.

Tuohy was somewhat of a mistake. But it allowed us to get some currency to trade for Marchbank who should end up a long term player for us.

You honestly think someone like Nick Holman is going to be a difference maker right now? He showed little at Carlton and was moved on. We’re not the only club in the world to move on someone who didn’t show a lot for ****s sake.

I don’t mind some criticism of Silvagni but criticising him for moving on these players is ridiculous.

If he didn’t do it, I’m absolutely certain right now you and others on here would be criticising him for not bringing in enough youth.

 

[PP34]

Imagine being Cripps being sold this crap for the last few years only to sack Bolton and admit failure.

I love Carlton think a full on rebuild was required when Really bulldogs, Richmond turned it around almost instantaneously

Richmond turned it around instantaneously? What the **** are you smoking?

The Bulldogs spent a number of years acquiring young talent too. Don’t think they spent as long as Richmond did but they still spent a bit of time.

 

[Dynamics]

Buckley still yet to succeed though...

No kidding.

 

[chunkylover53]

the direction was correct. carlton was one of the oldest lists in the AFL in 2015 when it won the wooden spoon.

sacking bolton would be an admission that they appointed the wrong coach. no shame in that. nobody has a crystal ball. brisbane, port, adelaide, melbourne, st kilda, gold coast and bulldogs appointed the wrong coach and sacked them later within the last decade.

this isn't a finals team but this is a side that has much more talent than the 4 wins in 40 games (or whatever that ridiculous stat is) would suggest. i think the carlton job should be pretty desirable to a coach that half knows what they're doing.

It's not admitting he's the wrong coach. From 2015 - 2018 he was fine. Nice guy, good at attracting young players, protected them from the media, created a good, fun environment to learn in (hence all the long term deals), was good in the media and repairing our brand. Just pretty much what we needed to completely reset the joint. As I said earlier though he's just not very good at coaching football it seems, so we thank him for his services and find someone who is. The boys are a bit older now so will respond differently to someone like a Brad Scott.

 

[iluvparis]

People bringing up examples of the coaches who got extended runs before turning the ship around (Buckley/Hardwick etc) overlook the fact that their W/L was nowhere near as bad as the appalling record that Bolton has produced over the last couple of years - regardless of the state of the list.

Keeping him on because sacking him would suggest we got a decision wrong is super short sighted and probably explains why the club has been irrelevant for the last 20 years under recent administrations.

 

[blue6ers]

Rnd 10 St Kilda - Loss
Rnd 11 Essendon
Rnd 12 Brisbane (home)
Rnd 13 The Dogs
Carlton needs to win at least 3 of these games to retain his job, I said this before last week so I'm still counting Rnd 10 he must win more before the bye! the fans have completely lost faith even those who have been defending and backing him in myself included.
Good luck Brenden Scott, I mean Brad Bolten

 

[RAPPA]

Carlton stuffed up primarily by not overhauling the assistant coaching structure around him. He performed well in his first year under Neil Craig. Craig left and Bolton suffered. Coupled with that he was and is still left with spuds like Barker. Symptomatic of Carlton - they change one piece of the puzzle and expect it to all fit

 

[captain cotch 9]

Can Carlton fans on here give me an honest feeling of how SOS has "built" the list?

 

[Gavin Excell]

People bringing up examples of the coaches who got extended runs before turning the ship around (Buckley/Hardwick etc) overlook the fact that their W/L was nowhere near as bad as the appalling record that Bolton has produced over the last couple of years - regardless of the state of the list.

Keeping him on because sacking him would suggest we got a decision wrong is super short sighted and probably explains why the club has been irrelevant for the last 20 years under recent administrations.

Can’t see him being there in 2020

It’s possible a decision has already been made

 

[La Dispute]

Touy, Henderson, Gibbs, Holman are probably exactly the type of demographic you need right now.

You can say “look at what we’ve brought in”... but guess what you’ve won 3 games in the last year and a half.

Henderson is so soft, and KPD is an area we’ve actually got reasonable coverage for. We made out like bandits in that trade.

Holman is a scrapper, and would be borderline best 22. Though I’ve got no idea why he was delisted in the first place as he was one of few who showed some signs in 2015.

Gibbs and Tuohy would be nice, and we’d likely get a couple more wins across the season, but the club made the decision to trade them and although it’s protracted the rebuild the blueprint was laid out upon Bolton’s appointment, and we were always going to bring in early selections with whatever collateral we had.

 

[Macpotata]

He and the Blues had me fooled. After that Hawthorn game ( which they choked ) I thought hell yeah these boys are on the way up. Despite the loss they showed promising signs taking the lead, then not giving up and fighting back when all looked lost. Marked the ball a split second after the siren too. Since then they've displayed what Carlton has consistently displayed for several seasons now. Pure mediocrity and absolute putrid, shambolic football. They're no better now than what they were last year, the year before that and the year before that one.

Absolute garbage. Bolton's got to go. Who else could do a better job? Who else could do worse.

 

[iluvparis]

Can Carlton fans on here give me an honest feeling of how SOS has "built" the list?

Think drafting has generally been okay-ish - plan to pick up all the GWS rejects looks like it has been a complete disaster

 

[Blue1980]

Can Carlton fans on here give me an honest feeling of how SOS has "built" the list?

There is top end talent so anyone coming in would see we have something to work with.

However we have been terrible with basicallly any pick below around 30 in the draft. SOS has had an obsession with ex GWS guys or former high picks who are injury prone, who are now always injured with us.

Also terrible rookie drafting and identifying any decent experienced or guys or talented players outside of normal pathways.

So it’s a mixed bag

 

[Fadge]

There is top end talent so anyone coming in would see we have something to work with.

However we have been terrible with basicallly any pick below around 30 in the draft. SOS has had an obsession with ex GWS guys or former high picks who are injury prone, who are now always injured with us.

Also terrible rookie drafting and identifying any decent experienced or guys or talented players outside of normal pathways.

So it’s a mixed bag

If i see a reference to this 'top end talent' one more time, I'm going to spew up!

Carlton have a lot of high draft picks, many of whom do not cut it at AFL level.

High draft picks does not equal top end talent.

Mitch Thorp, Scott Gumbleton, Anthony Banik would have been regarded as top end talent by the Carlton faithful under their current definition, but history shows they were never good enough to make the grade despite being highly rated juniors.

 

[SickQwon]

Can Carlton fans on here give me an honest feeling of how SOS has "built" the list?

Methodically genius, execution poor.
Brought in an influx of top end talent to a team with no currency or any youth in a timeframe I didn’t think was possible, but the top end talent haven’t developed progressively. He’s ruthless at the trade table ensuring we pay unders, they pay overs. But the players are always injured.

 

[Fadge]

Methodically genius, execution poor.
Brought in an influx of top end talent to a team with no currency or any youth in a timeframe I didn’t think was possible, but the top end talent haven’t developed progressively. He’s ruthless at the trade table ensuring we pay unders, they pay overs. But the players are always injured.

That is hilarious.

And I have just vomited.

 

[its free real estate]

Appoint Silvagni as coach.