Vic How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 3

[Chief]

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Vic - How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 4

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[AM]

So, six months of draconian lockdown later, Victoria can finally get back to the situation to before Daniel Andrew's government f’ed up hotel quarantine.

Over 800 people have died, thousands of businesses have disappeared, hundreds of thousands of people are unemployed.

Andrews avoided repeated questions at his press conferences by deferring to the inquiry - which was supposedly to get to the truth. Then at the inquiry, Andrews, his ministers and all his public servants all denied any knowledge of how crucial decisions were made.

Andrews not only was responsible for the biggest public policy failure in Australia's history but he has tried to cover it up.

What a load of emotional claptrap replete with one sided reactionary sloganeering.

 

[tandino]

The one sided concern for politicians of a particular stripe is heartwarming.

 

[ToddaRools]

What a load of emotional claptrap replete with one sided reactionary sloganeering.

I am convinced you are one of the 5680 spin doctors #disastordanfrommarketing has employed?

 

[Bleeeeeeeeep]

Over 800 people have died

 

[freebloke]

Hopefully immigration levels stay at sensible figures well below 100000.and both parties focus on real growth rather than fake immigration driven growth. They wont of course as all the LNP and ALP care about are their property portfolios and their union/industry mates getting rich.

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After “fake news”, there is “fake immigration “, eh?

China will have a demographic decline due to the one child policy. Japan has had negative population growth for decades. Japan was going to rival the USA as the biggest economy in late 80s and 90s until the demographic decline hit. With less people to pay taxes, the net pension burden will destroy the Australian pension system.

And btw, the demographic decline is common in the western developed economies and isn’t an Australian monopoly.

 

[AM]

I am convinced you are one of the 5680 spin doctors #disastordanfrommarketing has employed?

With all the respect due to you, you have shown yourself to be a closed-minded ideologue. The photos show an immature one at that.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

bakers dozen of donuts

14 day ave down to 0.1

active cases down to 3

hospitalized remains at 2

and the number of tests rose again to 21,000 - a great sign that the target testing is Hume and Brimbank is digging up no bodies (so far)

fingers crossed, if the streak continues we will have a 14 day average of zero tomorrow, and we will lose our last remaining unknown case within 14 days on Sunday.

hopefully the SA resident who was in melbourne is confirmed as a shredding case (so not a new one), and early signs appear that way.

so far so good, and this is looking promising for the SA/TAS/NSW border reopening, and the issue of masks for outdoors.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

sewerage data has been updated. only positive on the board remains kilmore, but it dates back to Oct 29

 

[Kwality]

sewerage data has been updated. only positive on the board remains kilmore, but it dates back to Oct 29

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Very comforting to see this living with covid testing being collated.

 

[Kwality]

DHHS chief goneski - saves getting a bollocking from Ms Coate.

Victoria's top health bureaucrat resigns following coronavirus hotel quarantine inquiry

The head of Victoria's health department, Kym Peake, resigns "to pursue other opportunities", less than two months after facing the state's hotel quarantine inquiry.

www.abc.net.au

This a couple of hours after Minister Foley defended the DHHS at a doorstop this morning.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

DHHS chief goneski - saves getting a bollocking from Ms Coate.

Victoria's top health bureaucrat resigns following coronavirus hotel quarantine inquiry

The head of Victoria's health department, Kym Peake, resigns "to pursue other opportunities", less than two months after facing the state's hotel quarantine inquiry.

www.abc.net.au

the interim showed where this is going if you read between the lines

new arrangements have cops and docs onsite 24/7, mandatory health checks, and on and on. everyone who rejected those measures will face heat.

anyone in DHHS, jobs, and co with a brain should be jumping before they are pushed

 

[Kwality]

the interim showed where this is going if you read between the lines

new arrangements have cops and docs onsite 24/7, mandatory health checks, and on and on. everyone who rejected those measures will face heat.

anyone in DHHS, jobs, and co with a brain should be jumping before they are pushed

There is more apparently, not related to the Hotel Inquiry.

NoCookies | The Australian

www.theaustralian.com.au

 

[Ned_Flanders]

There is more apparently, not related to the Hotel Inquiry.

NoCookies | The Australian

www.theaustralian.com.au

cant read the oz dude

 

[Kwality]

cant read the oz dude

I'll try, its not a smoking gun, but was tucked away in todays Business pages written by Robert Gottliebsen:

QUOTE

Some 10 years ago 13 Victorian councils set up a company called Community Chef to compete with private food manufacturers to provide meals on wheels and hospital meals. The plan was backed by none other than the then Victorian health minister Daniel Andrews (now Premier) and the then federal regional development and local government minister Anthony Albanese (now federal Opposition Leader).

A state owned business competing with well managed private sector operators will normally get into deep trouble (Australia Post in parcels is a notable exception).


And so the Victorian government had to pour large sums into the Community Chef business to cover the losses. But eventually it became clear that there was no future for Community Chef unless the business had a guaranteed market share.

But for the Victorian government to deliver that monopoly required that there must be no private competitors. Yet Community Chef’s rival I Cook Foods was prospering.

Then in 2019 the Victorian Department of Health and Human Services – later to be a prominent player in the hotel fiasco – received a report that there might have been traces of listeria in sandwiches provided by I Cook Foods to a hospital.

Later checking discovered that the report was a complete fabrication and there was no listeria in sandwiches provided by I Cook Foods and indeed it’s doubtful that any patient was infected.

But there was no time for checking. The local council sent in an inspector and apparently found a slug in the I Cook Food plant. There is considerable doubt as to how that slug got there – it certainly couldn’t have crawled in.

Suddenly Victorian government public servants who were later to become household names in the COVID-19 pandemic emerged from the shadows.

There was no waiting for proper checking and one official immediately went on radio tearing strips off the company on the basis of what was later shown to false or doubtful evidence. But the bungles didn’t stop there.

The public servants wanted I Cook Foods shut down as soon as possible. But no valid shutdown order can be executed until there is an order from the secretary of the Department Health and Human Services.
Such an order arrived at 8:21 in the evening.
And according to evidence later presented to a parliamentary inquiry into the affair that’s when the shutdown took place.

A small problem: When the plant was shut down the officers took a video * of their actions shutting down the plant at a much earlier time and without proper permission. . But strangely it is missing. If that video is discovered it is likely to show that the shut down took place illegally and the cover up will be blown. And remember the shutdown was based on false or at least highly dubious evidence.

Court damages writs are being issued by interests linked to I Cook Foods against public servants and the department. Those actions may create precedents for action in the loss of 600 people in Australia’s largest industrial accident.

End quote.

Its not the article in full but its the guts of it, the coincidence of Ms Peake made it relevant.

a video * .. 'the ABC is hot on the trail of the missing video in the prelude event' is a one line reference,

 

[Ned_Flanders]

I'll try, its not a smoking gun, but was tucked away in todays Business pages written by Robert Gottliebsen:

QUOTE

Some 10 years ago 13 Victorian councils set up a company called Community Chef to compete with private food manufacturers to provide meals on wheels and hospital meals. The plan was backed by none other than the then Victorian health minister Daniel Andrews (now Premier) and the then federal regional development and local government minister Anthony Albanese (now federal Opposition Leader).

A state owned business competing with well managed private sector operators will normally get into deep trouble (Australia Post in parcels is a notable exception).


And so the Victorian government had to pour large sums into the Community Chef business to cover the losses. But eventually it became clear that there was no future for Community Chef unless the business had a guaranteed market share.

But for the Victorian government to deliver that monopoly required that there must be no private competitors. Yet Community Chef’s rival I Cook Foods was prospering.

Then in 2019 the Victorian Department of Health and Human Services – later to be a prominent player in the hotel fiasco – received a report that there might have been traces of listeria in sandwiches provided by I Cook Foods to a hospital.

Later checking discovered that the report was a complete fabrication and there was no listeria in sandwiches provided by I Cook Foods and indeed it’s doubtful that any patient was infected.

But there was no time for checking. The local council sent in an inspector and apparently found a slug in the I Cook Food plant. There is considerable doubt as to how that slug got there – it certainly couldn’t have crawled in.

Suddenly Victorian government public servants who were later to become household names in the COVID-19 pandemic emerged from the shadows.

There was no waiting for proper checking and one official immediately went on radio tearing strips off the company on the basis of what was later shown to false or doubtful evidence. But the bungles didn’t stop there.

The public servants wanted I Cook Foods shut down as soon as possible. But no valid shutdown order can be executed until there is an order from the secretary of the Department Health and Human Services.
Such an order arrived at 8:21 in the evening.
And according to evidence later presented to a parliamentary inquiry into the affair that’s when the shutdown took place.

A small problem: When the plant was shut down the officers took a video * of their actions shutting down the plant at a much earlier time and without proper permission. . But strangely it is missing. If that video is discovered it is likely to show that the shut down took place illegally and the cover up will be blown. And remember the shutdown was based on false or at least highly dubious evidence.

Court damages writs are being issued by interests linked to I Cook Foods against public servants and the department. Those actions may create precedents for action in the loss of 600 people in Australia’s largest industrial accident.

End quote.

Its not the article in full but its the guts of it, the coincidence of Ms Peake made it relevant.

a video * .. 'the ABC is hot on the trail of the missing video in the prelude event' is a one line reference,

my gut is some of the linkages in this are not right.

food testing is HIGHLY regulated. The law requires any lab that gets a positive result for salmonella or listeria to report it to the govt. thats not an optional thing - you MUST report before the b sample is tested.

the labs that do the testing are not DHHS labs. they mostly private labs (one is fed govt), but all must be NATA accredited. NATA accreditation is brutal, and all accredited tests done must comply with the relevant standards.

the notion that a NATA lab would do a fake report for the DHHS is one i dont believe. DHHS is not a big buyer (comparatively) of lab testing, and the players in this space are mostly global monsters. None of them would risk losing their accreditation with NATA or any other ILAC accreditation for a DHHS stich up.

if the notion is DHHS doctored a lab report to get this outcome, i dont buy that either. It would be picked up in the annual audits NATA do that there is a discrepancy between the lab and the DHHS.

im not saying DHHS didnt lean into punishing this firm, but a listeria test is something you dont **** with. Ive seen some of the biggest plants in the country shutdown over a single listeria positive.

 

[Jascave]

Wouldn't surprise me if Daniel Andrews was asked by several senior federal Labor people to run for a safe Victorian federal Labor seat in the House of Reps in the leadup to the next federal election. If you speak to senior people within the Federal Labor team, they reckon Andrews would stand a much better chance of defeating Scott Morrison than current Opposition Leader Anthony Albanese.

 

[Kwality]

my gut is some of the linkages in this are not right.

food testing is HIGHLY regulated. The law requires any lab that gets a positive result for salmonella or listeria to report it to the govt. thats not an optional thing - you MUST report before the b sample is tested.

the labs that do the testing are not DHHS labs. they mostly private labs (one is fed govt), but all must be NATA accredited. NATA accreditation is brutal, and all accredited tests done must comply with the relevant standards.

the notion that a NATA lab would do a fake report for the DHHS is one i dont believe. DHHS is not a big buyer (comparatively) of lab testing, and the players in this space are mostly global monsters. None of them would risk losing their accreditation with NATA or any other ILAC accreditation for a DHHS stich up.

if the notion is DHHS doctored a lab report to get this outcome, i dont buy that either. It would be picked up in the annual audits NATA do that there is a discrepancy between the lab and the DHHS.

im not saying DHHS didnt lean into punishing this firm, but a listeria test is something you dont fu** with. Ive seen some of the biggest plants in the country shutdown over a single listeria positive.

Didnt buy it either when I read it this morning, looked like a theory looking to be a story. It was the events of later in the day,

 

[Kwality]

Checked out the reference to' I Cook Foods' /DHHS court action:

Inquiry launched into closure of catering business that claimed slug was planted

The closure of Melbourne catering business I Cook Foods, which claimed authorities planted a slug in its kitchen, will be examined by a Victorian parliamentary committee.

www.abc.net.au

Those actions may create precedents for action in the loss of 600 people in Australia’s largest industrial accident.

 

[tandino]

sewerage data has been updated. only positive on the board remains kilmore, but it dates back to Oct 29

View attachment 1009392

Shit news

 

[Ned_Flanders]

sh*t news

We are not talking Essington recruitment here

 

[tandino]

Wouldn't surprise me if Daniel Andrews was asked by several senior federal Labor people to run for a safe Victorian federal Labor seat in the House of Reps in the leadup to the next federal election. If you speak to senior people within the Federal Labor team, they reckon Andrews would stand a much better chance of defeating Scott Morrison than current Opposition Leader Anthony Albanese.

Well they better put down the crack pipe.

 

[eddiesmith]

the interim showed where this is going if you read between the lines

new arrangements have cops and docs onsite 24/7, mandatory health checks, and on and on. everyone who rejected those measures will face heat.

anyone in DHHS, jobs, and co with a brain should be jumping before they are pushed

So Neville, Crisp and Andrew’s since Ashton is already gone.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

So Neville, Crisp and Andrew’s since Ashton is already gone.

FFS do you even read anything I've written

I've previously said Neville will be looking at demotion at best. Crisp is gone. Andrews is the capstone final peep out.

And that's not including Pakula and the others in DHHS and jobs who will get a whack.

I've been firm for some time that this inquiry will get it's pound of flesh

 

[Frank Bunn]

What a load of emotional claptrap replete with one sided reactionary sloganeering.

Nothing I said was 'emotional' or 'claptrap'. It speaks volumes that you didn't even attempt to rebut what I said. Here's a recap.

Six months of draconian lockdown later, Victoria can finally get back to the situation to before Daniel Andrew's government f’ed up hotel quarantine.​

​

Over 800 people have died, thousands of businesses have disappeared, hundreds of thousands of people are unemployed.​

​

Andrews avoided repeated questions at his press conferences by deferring to the inquiry - which was supposedly to get to the truth. Then at the inquiry, Andrews, his ministers and all his public servants all denied any knowledge of how crucial decisions were made.​

​

Andrews not only was responsible for the biggest public policy failure in Australia's history but he has tried to cover it up.​

 

[Frank Bunn]

Andrews needs to account for his comments that he denied meeting John Woodman about individual planning matters.

This is at odds with lobbyist Phillip Staindl's claims on the secret recordings, and also with the lobbyist's evidence on Wednesday, in which he recounted meetings where Mr Woodman and Mr Andrews did in fact discuss individual projects. Mr Woodman poured more than $150,000 into Mr Andrews' successful 2018 re-election campaign.

Daniel Andrews was shown to have "waxed lyrical" about receiving donations to Labor’s 2018 election campaign from allegedly corrupt developer Woodman.

Daniel Andrews 'waxed lyrical' about Woodman's campaign donations to Labor

Secret phone taps have further embroiled the Premier in the Casey land scandal, with veteran lobbyist Phil Staindl claiming the premier 'waxed lyrical' about donations from John Woodman.

www.theage.com.au