News Izak Rankine, Gold coast holding Rankine to Ransom- #FreeIzak

[Scorpus]

Mod note:

Opposition posters making outlandish trade suggestions to bait the Crows board will be considered trolls and dealt with in the usual manner

No one wants a repeat of the Gibbs thread

 

[Mego Red]

If we lose either pick 5 or next year’s first, Reid has failed.
This is a chance to bring in a bonus first rounder. GC has no leverage. Reid has to make it happen and retain our first rounders. Not negotiable.

I think there's a few too many teams ahead of us for the PSD for it to be a worthwhile risk for Rankine and us.

I think one of either pick 5 or next year's first will have to somehow be involved. I don't see how the deal gets done otherwise.

 

[John Who]

It'd be nice to have someone in that forward line who's willing to play a second of defense.

I’ve thought about it, but if we have strong forwards who can attack more than defend, it may not necessarily be all bad. Picture this, you have a choice of picking 6 D. Jarman up forward (high level of attack, low level of defense)...would anyone say no to this?

 

[Crowked]

I think there's a few too many teams ahead of us for the PSD for it to be a worthwhile risk for Rankine and us.

I think one of either pick 5 or next year's first will have to somehow be involved. I don't see how the deal gets done otherwise.

Reid has to trade picks or players to get us a pick in that 10-20 range and GC are just going to suck it up.
The PSD is absolutely a possibility if a deal can’t get done. No one else will pick him. If need be, he’s front loaded to make sure.

My only real point is 5 and the future first are both overs for the player in the circumstances and can’t be given up in the trade.

 

[Banrock]

As an interstate club you dream of a dynasty but if you can get a flag in every decade that's pretty good going. West Coast is a fine example and Sydney are pretty close.

1997-98 we had Blight, Jarman and made our own luck.

2002-2006 we should've nabbed one. That core midfield and backline was unbelievable.

2016-17 were very open seasons and we should've nabbed one. Weren't up to it.

If we win a flag in one - or both - of those eras then we are elite. We didnt, because we aren't.

*2012 we got an extremely easy fixture including GC and GWS twice, which was the reason we got so close. We weren't that good. Sydney would've wiped us in that GF anyway.

 

[FR0GGY]

*2012 we got an extremely easy fixture including GC and GWS twice, which was the reason we got so close. We weren't that good. Sydney would've wiped us in that GF anyway.

We definitely had the wood over them in that period though.
We had won 8/9 against them prior to the QF including 5 years in a row from 2005 - 2010

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

We definitely had the wood over them in that period though.
We had won 8/9 against them prior to the QF including 5 years in a row from 2005 - 2010

They beat us in a final at Football Park that year!

 

[Dangerousfield]

Reid has to trade picks or players to get us a pick in that 10-20 range and GC are just going to suck it up.
The PSD is absolutely a possibility if a deal can’t get done. No one else will pick him. If need be, he’s front loaded to make sure.

My only real point is 5 and the future first are both overs for the player in the circumstances and can’t be given up in the trade.

I'm sure we all agree with the sentiment but, given our draft hand and lack of any useful picks coming our way in possible trades out, how are YOU proposing getting the trade done then if it doesn't involve pick 6 or our F1?

 

[FR0GGY]

They beat us in a final at Football Park that year!

I know!

 

[George Kramer]

They beat us in a final at Football Park that year!

And let down by senior players

 

[Crowked]

I'm sure we all agree with the sentiment but, given our draft hand and lack of any useful picks coming our way in possible trades out, how are YOU proposing getting the trade done then if it doesn't involve pick 6 or our F1?

I’m not sure. Perhaps trade players for picks and the picks to clubs that need picks for points.
I don’t think it matters that much. If we can’t get them a late first, they get our second and change. I don’t know why people think we are obliged to satisfy GC. Unfortunately for them, they are in the losing position on this one. They’ll get the best thing we can conjure up, or they’ll get nothing. Every club gets the wrong end of the pineapple sometimes and it’s their turn.
If it came down to it, I’d rather keep our first rounders than get Rankine at all. So far he’s a border line flop. Maybe he hits the heights with us, but just as likely he stays an inconsistent, occasional high performer. He’s not a gun at this stage of his career.

 

[Iron]

2005/2006 was definitely our best chance but luck wasn't with us with Henchell doing an ACL and losing to a coked up West Coast outfit in the finals for both year. 2012 wasn't an "freak outlier", we would have had a few years of contending for the premiership but luck wasn't with us again with losing Tippett and then Walker doing an ACL. 2017, luck wasn't with us again with Smith doing an ACL in the finals and McGovern injured just before the Grand Final and then we all know what happened with the CM.

Preach. I got pretty unlucky when I lost my hand after sticking it in a blender

 

[Samcro24]

They beat us in a final at Football Park that year!

That was a massive choke, but we also beat them in Sydney that year.

 

[Mego Red]

I’m not sure. Perhaps trade players for picks and the picks to clubs that need picks for points.
I don’t think it matters that much. If we can’t get them a late first, they get our second and change. I don’t know why people think we are obliged to satisfy GC. Unfortunately for them, they are in the losing position on this one. They’ll get the best thing we can conjure up, or they’ll get nothing. Every club gets the wrong end of the pineapple sometimes and it’s their turn.
If it came down to it, I’d rather keep our first rounders than get Rankine at all. So far he’s a border line flop. Maybe he hits the heights with us, but just as likely he stays an inconsistent, occasional high performer. He’s not a gun at this stage of his career.

The sentiment is fine, but you're not suggesting any logical outcomes.

You're taking a position that any outcome other than the one you want is failure, but you have no realistic way to get what you're suggesting.

I can't see a way that isn't at best splitting a first.

 

[Crowked]

If I was an opposition list manager I’d love to deal with most posters on this board.
I will guarantee Richmond and Geelong will get the players they want for unders. Meanwhile I hearing, let’s give up a low first rounder for a guy that achieved 2 fifths of **** all even though the trading team has no leverage in the trade.
I do have faith in our list management to get this done and retain our first rounders. Richmond, Geelong and frankly any semi credible list management group would.

 

[CrowToon]

In the same way that you can start on any Wikipedia page and eventually find your way to Nazis and/or Hitler, so too can you start on any topic on the Adelaide board and eventually find your way to opening up the regret of the mid-2000s window.

 

[WheresGroomgone]

I'm sick of our small forwards not kicking goals e.g. Murphy & Mchenry.

Be dangerous by kicking goals. Pressure is expected but pressure only players are a waste of a spot.

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exactly the defender will have immense pressure on them to not make a mistake or give them space because of their talent and skill, any fu and it will result in a goal to us when we have Rankine and RAchelle up forward.
Having McHenry doesn't provide this.

 

[1970crow]

I'm sure we all agree with the sentiment but, given our draft hand and lack of any useful picks coming our way in possible trades out, how are YOU proposing getting the trade done then if it doesn't involve pick 6 or our F1?

Starts with getting Brisbane’s first as we did with Dogs last year. Won’t know how plausible from there until trades start happening.

 

[Hodgy]

I think there's a few too many teams ahead of us for the PSD for it to be a worthwhile risk for Rankine and us.

I think one of either pick 5 or next year's first will have to somehow be involved. I don't see how the deal gets done otherwise.

Honestly, there is no chance of any of the 4 clubs before us taking Rankine in the PSD. A front loaded contract of over a $million for a small forward who has made it clear that he only wants to go to SA for family would be a ridiculous risk. One that no list manager would even contemplate.

the only real leverage GC has is if Rankine has told us that he wants GC to get good compensation, and then re signing with them if we push too hard.

everyone Last year said we would need to use pick 4 for Dawson, and that we didn’t have anything else to use. Have faith, being tough at the trade table is the one thing we have done well in the last few years.

 

[Hodgy]

I'm sure we all agree with the sentiment but, given our draft hand and lack of any useful picks coming our way in possible trades out, how are YOU proposing getting the trade done then if it doesn't involve pick 6 or our F1?

Rankine has to be worth less in a trade than Charlie Cameron was. Both 4 year small forwards, however Charlie was much better performed at that stage and more importantly was contracted. Something around pick 15-18 would be about right. Therefore pick 23 and an upgrade of their 7 to 5 is definitely in the ballpark, but who knows, they might be keen on a player like Ned or Crouch.

Point is it’s way too early to make any predictions, no one even spitballed us using Melbournes future 1st for Dawson back in September last year. Anything is possible at this stage.

 

[WeedsMullet84]

If I was an opposition list manager I’d love to deal with most posters on this board.
I will guarantee Richmond and Geelong will get the players they want for unders. Meanwhile I hearing, let’s give up a low first rounder for a guy that achieved 2 fifths of * all even though the trading team has no leverage in the trade.
I do have faith in our list management to get this done and retain our first rounders. Richmond, Geelong and frankly any semi credible list management group would.

Yeah it’s a bit cringe hearing all these hot takes, ‘Pick 5 just HAS to be involved somehow!’ from our own supporters.

It doesn’t, in fact I’ll be very disappointed if we don’t just offer them next years 1st and be done with it, or better still (if we have the list space) split pick 5.

Bringing our next years 1st into the equation accelerates our list rebuild, splitting our Pick 5 at least maximises value.


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[Mego Red]

Yeah it’s a bit cringe hearing all these hot takes, ‘Pick 5 just HAS to be involved somehow!’ from our own supporters.

It doesn’t, in fact I’ll be very disappointed if we don’t just offer them next years 1st and be done with it, or better still (if we have the list space) split pick 5.

Bringing our next years 1st into the equation accelerates our list rebuild, splitting our Pick 5 at least maximises value.


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No disrespect, but both of the trades you've suggested involve using one of our first round picks, which is exactly what he said we shouldn't do.

You're making out like you agree with him, while immediately saying the things that he was complaining about.

 

[rabidcrow]

Starts with getting Brisbane’s first as we did with Dogs last year. Won’t know how plausible from there until trades start happening.

Much tougher this year as we have very few picks to package up and I don’t see much coming back at all - if anything - for the guys proposed to go out


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[crow2crow]

Much tougher this year as we have very few picks to package up and I don’t see much coming back at all - if anything - for the guys proposed to go out


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It all comes down to whether we want 23 for keeler

If not, it wont be hard to get brisbanes pick

 

[WaynesWorld19]

It all comes down to whether we want 23 for keeler

If not, it wont be hard to get brisbanes pick

OR Harry Barnett .....202 cm Ruck or KPD .....me likey !

 

[ams4crows]

It all comes down to whether we want 23 for keeler

If not, it wont be hard to get brisbanes pick

Not if Brisbane need 14 for Dunkley unless they use their 1st next year alternatively use next year's first for points this year.

Maybe we should be asking for Brisbane 1st next year to give to gold coast for their academy prospects