Traded Jason Horne-Francis [to Port Adelaide in multi-club trade]

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Are GWS looking to use picks 3, 12, 15, 18 and 19 purely for the draft? Or do they want to get some players in via trade?

Maybe we could upgrade pick 33 or 43 for one those later picks and offer up Byrne-Jones or Bonner?

We genuinely need to trade away a player for 2nd round. Can't see it happening another way.

Hayes, Drew, Bonner, DBJ, Farrell. DBJ with most value in that lot perhaps as an All-Australian and club BnF although he was off it best this year. I know he just resigned but yeah either him or Drew

In all seriousness North have actually done fine out of this deal. So have West Coast. GWS showed up, bent over and handed over the lube to make it work for everyone else, and I salute them for it.
Yeah I think north have done well. What more can you hope for to get for a player that wants out than a similar pick + a future 1st on top. That’s a good deal.

Also west coast, despite people knocking them to get out of pick 2 and the private school vic boys and into hewett territory , whose not far behind, if at all those vic boys plus get another pick. That’s good for them.

Ports given up a lot, but the fact we get future 2nds and 3rds back helps a lot,

In the end rozee butters jhf Bergman sinn to look forward too in our midfield.

I really rate that group of players as a future midfield. High end young talent there.
 
But Rioli isn’t a free agent your confusing the mechanisms here
I am not, I understand how it works. Probably the wrong thread talking about it here so I won’t keep on about it. The whole point was I know that half the battle is convincing a player to request a trade, but that doesn’t mean you have to cave to any of the selling clubs demands. Especially if the completely over value the player. I think it will get done, just like I think the Horne Francis deal will get done, but with both there is a middle ground that will work somewhat for every party involved.
 
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I am not, I understand how it works. Probably the wrong thread talking about it here so I won’t keep on about it. The whole point was I know that half the battle is convincing a player to request a trade, but that doesn’t mean you have to cave to any of the selling clubs demands. Especially if the completely over value the player. I think it will get done, just like I think the Horne Francis deal will get done, but with both there is a middle ground that will work somewhat for every party involved.
But there isn’t middle ground, you’ve convinced the player to come you haven’t satisfied the clubs, you’re missing a key component here.
The clubs have to agree to trade said players.
 
I am not, I understand how it works. Probably the wrong thread talking about it here so I won’t keep on about it. The whole point was I know that half the battle is convincing a player to request a trade, but that doesn’t mean you have to cave to any of the selling clubs demands. Especially if the completely over value the player. I think it will get done, just like I think the Horne Francis deal will get done, but with both there is a middle ground that will work somewhat for every party involved.
The middle ground is Port need to cough up more for JHF
 
But there isn’t middle ground, you’ve convinced the player to come you haven’t satisfied the clubs, you’re missing a key component here.
The clubs have to agree to trade said players.
Or they don’t. That’s it. That’s where the middle ground lies. It’s a different situation with jhf because he is in contract and they are well within their rights to keep him if they deem the trade value worse than having the player around for at least another year. The clubs will be working together. If west coast choose to not trade him though then he either signs there again or leaves. So the onus is on them to come to a fair value just as much. Hence middle ground.
 
I think the point is North have already declined 8 + F1 from Port. If they were willing to take that deal then they could have just agreed and sent 8 to GWS for 12 + 18 themselves.

It's the latest in a long running line of trade hypotheticals from Port fans where they don't add anything to the declined offers, just try to repackage them.
 
Or they don’t. That’s it. That’s where the middle ground lies. It’s a different situation with jhf because he is in contract and they are well within their rights to keep him if they deem the trade value worse than having the player around for at least another year. The clubs will be working together. If west coast choose to not trade him though then he either signs there again or leaves. So the onus is on them to come to a fair value just as much. Hence middle ground.
When I first saw that trade request come through, it thought WCE are going to make it as hard as possible to get done.
Jnr is a gun, so underrated it’s not funny, plus they’d be bitter as hell the way Port has handled themselves by approaching.

NM fairly, has requested a top 5 this year, basically makes both deals impossible unless you want to give up massive value.

You’ve got
WCE: who’s going to ask for the world for pick 2 and Rioli and probably rightly, gun player plus pick 2. Any day of the week is going to cost a top 10 in bnf at a minimum with your first attached.
GWS: they want NM pick 1, I suspect they’ll need this pick to have any chance.
Ess: Dodo being dodo is going to ask for your first born
Adel/GC: you might have a fair chance here but you’d need to cough up something of real value, including salary, as their list is tight and they’ve got no cap space. I can see them just taking best available and onselling it down the road.

Going to be fascinating try and find middle ground with that lot.
Then once you get a top 5 you’ll have to attach a decent player to get to JHF
 
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When I first saw that trade request come through, it thought WCE are going to make it as hard as possible to get done.
Jnr is a gun, so underrated it’s not funny, plus they’d be bitter as hell the way Port has handled themselves by approaching.

NM fairly, has requested a top 5 this year, basically makes both deals impossible unless you want to give up massive value.

You’ve got
WCE: who’s going to ask for the world for pick 2 and Rioli and probably rightly, gun player plus pick 2. Any day of the week is going to cost a top 10 in bnf at a minimum with your first attached.
GWS: they want NM pick 1, I suspect they’ll need this pick to have any chance.
Ess: Dodo being dodo is going to ask for your first born
Adel/GC: you might have a fair chance here but you’d need to cough up something of real value, including salary, as their list is tight and they’ve got no cap space. I can see them just taking best available and onselling it down the road.

Going to be fascinating try and find middle ground with that lot.
Then once you get a top 5 you’ll have to attach a decent player to get to JHF
It is interesting. See how it goes I guess. It does look like port, west coast and north are all at least at the table having discussions. And I am not sure that the Rioli thing played out that way. He wants to move to south Australia to be closer to family as well. It’s not absolutely a case of us approaching.
 
It is interesting. See how it goes I guess. It does look like port, west coast and north are all at least at the table having discussions. And I am not sure that the Rioli thing played out that way. He wants to move to south Australia to be closer to family as well. It’s not absolutely a case of us approaching.
Why should anyone believe that considering Kochie tapping up JHF and his family all year. You’d have to assume that’s their modus operandi
 

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Why should anyone believe that considering Kochie tapping up JHF and his family
Maybe because his father recently passed away and his partner and kids don’t live in Perth with him? Also kochie is full of shit, but every club’s recruiting team keeps in touch with players that they would like to recruit in the future. Very naïve to think otherwise. Do you think both port and the crows wouldn’t have been talking to rankine? Lukosius?
 
Maybe because his father recently passed away and his partner and kids don’t live in Perth with him? Also kochie is full of s**t, but every club’s recruiting team keeps in touch with players that they would like to recruit in the future. Very naïve to think otherwise. Do you think both port and the crows wouldn’t have been talking to rankine? Lukosius?
There’s certainly levels which are acceptable, that’s why players have managers.
 
I would imagine if we formally seek approval to do so it means a trade has been agreed on in principle somewhere.
I would have thought so too. But I also would have thought it easy enough to find another F2. Maybe by bundling one of their late picks with a fringe player. Say 43 and Drew to Essendon for their F2 or even for 22 and trade that instead.
 
I would have thought so too. But I also would have thought it easy enough to find another F2. Maybe by bundling one of their late picks with a fringe player. Say 43 and Drew to Essendon for their F2 or even for 22 and trade that instead.

I thought so too. Would think Bonner and our current 33 would get an early 20s pick. May still do that and its being held up by others but I guess it also depends on this year vs future pick if that makes a difference.
 
When I first saw that trade request come through, it thought WCE are going to make it as hard as possible to get done.
Jnr is a gun, so underrated it’s not funny, plus they’d be bitter as hell the way Port has handled themselves by approaching.

NM fairly, has requested a top 5 this year, basically makes both deals impossible unless you want to give up massive value.

You’ve got
WCE: who’s going to ask for the world for pick 2 and Rioli and probably rightly, gun player plus pick 2. Any day of the week is going to cost a top 10 in bnf at a minimum with your first attached.
GWS: they want NM pick 1, I suspect they’ll need this pick to have any chance.
Ess: Dodo being dodo is going to ask for your first born
Adel/GC: you might have a fair chance here but you’d need to cough up something of real value, including salary, as their list is tight and they’ve got no cap space. I can see them just taking best available and onselling it down the road.

Going to be fascinating try and find middle ground with that lot.
Then once you get a top 5 you’ll have to attach a decent player to get to JHF
Okay now let's think through this mess of a post.

North want a top 5 and a decent player for JHF, apparently.

Rioli is a 'gun player', apparently.

So it follows that JHF is worth about the same as a top 5 pick and Rioli?

Okay, well if that's the case, why are we trading a premium to West Coast to get the top 5 pick and Rioli, but then we still have to throw in another player on top?

This is why West Coast shouldn't be involved in the deal. They will ask for massive trade capital for pick 2. They'll want overs. If pick 2 alone isn't then enough to trade for JHF, then Port are better off just cutting them out entirely and giving up whatever draft capital that 2 + Rioli would cost directly to North. Both Port and North end up with a better deal if West Coast are just excluded from the whole thing. West Coast can take some scraps for Rioli or Port can PSD him.
 
If North (as unlikely as I think it seems) end up getting either Duursma or Butters in the JH-F deal I believe won't get Port's 2023 pick, that would be way overs.

That would be a lot more than what Carlton got for Judd, who was a far more proven and established quantity at the time
 
Okay now let's think through this mess of a post.

North want a top 5 and a decent player for JHF, apparently.

Rioli is a 'gun player', apparently.

So it follows that JHF is worth about the same as a top 5 pick and Rioli?

Okay, well if that's the case, why are we trading a premium to West Coast to get the top 5 pick and Rioli, but then we still have to throw in another player on top?

This is why West Coast shouldn't be involved in the deal. They will ask for massive trade capital for pick 2. They'll want overs. If pick 2 alone isn't then enough to trade for JHF, then Port are better off just cutting them out entirely and giving up whatever draft capital that 2 + Rioli would cost directly to North. Both Port and North end up with a better deal if West Coast are just excluded from the whole thing. West Coast can take some scraps for Rioli or Port can PSD him.

This feels like a real logic fail

If you can't get a top 5 pick with the trade capital you have, then the trade capital you have isn't worth a top 5 pick?
 

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