Player Watch Jordan De Goey

[Jafo]

Arrrghhhh rightly or wrongly, I’m over it. Can we just go back to playing Footy?

Ah, those were the days.

 

[jathanas]

I hope a few weeks from now we can look back and reflect on how this incident galvanised the side. The media vultures will be circling elsewhere.

I'm going to the game on Sunday. I want to see some spirit, some proof that this hasn't hurt the team but I'll wait and see.

As for Jordy, what he did in isolation wasn't a hanging offence but I trust he will recruit better support and advice in the future. These incidents cost him and the club too much.

No more to say on this.

 

[gouki88]

Nobody is saying that, but just as it’s wrong when women are denied justice it’s also wrong when men have their livelihoods ruined through false accusations.

Domus has implicitly said this on several occasions, pining for the good old days. I guess he just hates it when the marginalised classes get uppity

 

[Seedsfan]

Domus has implicitly said this on several occasions, pining for the good old days. I guess he just hates it when the marginalised classes get uppity

Lol

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

What's your gender mate? I wonder how your female friends - provided you have some - would assess those comments & especially when combined with the entire De Goey circus? BYE.

Would have expected you were more capable of a civil discussion. I am not sure how women would react but if they felt disrespected then they are reading more into the exercise than was intended. Did you see Quaynor and wife doing the same thing using mixed gender examples? I certainly wasn't remotely offended by any of the male references - 'He's a 3 but he has great fashion sense' or ''He's a 9 in personality but has got really bad breath' etc. How can anyone get upset over these hypotheticals? I am quite sure this is tame compared to what men and women actually say about the opposite sex. Let's not forget there is also a video of AFLW women playing this game. Do you think that would be equally offensive to you. By the way all my friends but one are women.

 

[iGNITER]

Did absolutely nothing wrong. Honestly can't believe the hysteria on the matter.

 

[No SPIN]

This whole issue is really getting out of hand with a deplorable attack on JDG as seen on page 5 of the Hun today.

Bailey Smith

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Bailey Smith

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23

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185cm

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18.3

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8.5

3star

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9.8

5star

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2.3

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3.8

5star

CL

2.7

4star

D

19.8

5star

K

9.6

4star

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10.2

5star

M

1.8

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3.2

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3.2

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14.8

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7.6

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2.0

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took cocaine, explained as due to mental illness.
But JDG’s ADHD affliction is condemned, by Hayley Foster of Full Stop Australia ( a domestic violence advocacy group) saying, “ attributing disrespectful and abusive behavior to ADHD diagnosis is an insult to people with ADHD”.

Just take a bit on time to read that insensitive language again.

So Bailey Smith

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Bailey Smith

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23

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185cm

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86kg

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Last 5

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18.3

5star

K

8.5

3star

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9.8

5star

M

2.3

2star

T

3.8

5star

CL

2.7

4star

D

19.8

5star

K

9.6

4star

HB

10.2

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.2

4star

CL

3.2

4star

D

14.8

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

7.2

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.4

5star

CL

1.6

4star

gets empathy for his issues but JDG is lambasted.
The double standard is absurd and completely hysterical.

JDG’s mental health will definitely be affected by this abuse, but such consequences seem to be irrelevant to these spokes people and journalists.

This is a bridge to far when legitimate health issues are dismissed as mere excuses.

At what point are these fools held to account for such appalling treatment of JDG?

 

[odoyle_rules]

What's your gender mate? I wonder how your female friends - provided you have some - would assess those comments & especially when combined with the entire De Goey circus? BYE.

If they're offended by that then they will most likely be offended by most things - you can keep those friends of yours.

 

[Carringbush2010]

90% certain bringing the club into unfavourable light is a suspendible offence.

And that's where the grey area is, the 'unfavourable light' is in the eye of the beholder.

So unless there is something concrete that defines that, in his contract, or in an eba for all employees, then it's move on.

As he has no suspension, seems clear the club is not able to suspend him.

 

[HFF]

This whole issue is really getting out of hand with a deplorable attack on JDG as seen on page 5 of the Hun today.

Bailey Smith took cocaine, explained as due to mental illness.
But JDG’s ADHD affliction is condemned, by Hayley Foster of Full Stop Australia ( a domestic violence advocacy group) saying, “ attributing disrespectful and abusive behavior to ADHD diagnosis is an insult to people with ADHD”.

Just take a bit on time to read that insensitive language again.

So Bailey Smith gets empathy for his issues but JDG is lambasted.
The double standard is absurd and completely hysterical.

JDG’s mental health will definitely be affected this abuse, but such consequences seem to be irrelevant to these spokes people and journalists.

This is a bridge to far when legitimate health issues are dismissed as mere excuses.

At what point are these fools held to account for such appalling treatment of JDG?

It shows that she should not hold the position she does….it’s outrageous really

 

[Carringbush2010]

Nice to see the Ginnivan and Quaynor video has been put to bed and just seen as it is a tiktok trend with no harm done. Common sense prevailed there

Shouldn't have been news in the first place, just like Jordy shouldn't have been.

 

[sideswipe]

If there's one thing I know about mental health, it is what Viper taught me so long ago. We need to get Jordy up flying soon and we need to keep sending him up. But how will this play out?

 

[Fonzeno1]

i have tried really hard to not get involved in this thread.
But the comments on here are disgusting and so outdated with reality that i'm actually ashamed to be a pies supported reading this.

This isn't going to go well.....so i dare say i won't be responding beyond these comments.

Anyone who thinks what has happened, with both JDG and the other 2, are just out of touch.

football clubs are businesses first. not sporting clubs. businesses.
the complete opposite of what most on here think we are....

I have clauses in my staff contracts about this sort of thing. about bringing the business into disrepute.
Its pretty standard fair and the AFL have them for their players as well...

Do you think the sponsors of the club would be super happy being exposed to this?
I bet there were conversations around this at that level....i would be having them.
Like it or not, if i'm sponsoring a business to the tune that the sponsors do collingwood....then i'm damn sure our values align.
No way would i want my staff coming in and talking about issues caused by our association with a sponsor. I would want them to be proud of the association.
So like it or not, sponsors (rightly) have a say.

For those that think this is about the girl and whether she is ok with it....its not.
pr0n actresses are 'ok with it'....so does that make it ok to share those on social media?
...or do we think its about the grading of the 'act' that's important?
I'd like to know why one is ok and the other isn't? or is it just related to how good at your job you are?


Pies have played this very very well.
They have made it known they are not happy, left it up to JDG about what he wants to do. made the other two fools apologise (who broke the AFL code of conduct btw) and removed the contract.
As a corporate organisation, that's about as good as you can play the hand you've being dealt.

It doesn't seem like you've tried hard not to get involved at all. You just wrote 14 paragraphs. I can't believe anyone's offended by the tiktok thing. Especially if they understand the context. That's not a disgusting or outdated view it's a modern view about a modern platform. It's a view that says I'm not gonna let your views run my life because they're different to mine. I'm also not offended by the millions of women having a laugh at hypothetical men either cos that's all it is a laugh it's funny.

I work for an organisation with a strong social media policy. If they ever dropped anything like this at my feet (which they wouldn't because it is absurd) I would put them up on workplace harassment. The way the media shaped it was horrendous and inexcusable really.

I admit the JDG thing is a bit different so you shouldn't put them in the same boat. Other than that great post. It tells us how your opinion is right and the rest of us are out of touch.

 

[KinderSmock]

Well the media exploded up with Jordy this morning. News.com.au is still reporting the story. Bailey Smith

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Bailey Smith

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23

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185cm

Wt

86kg

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M/F

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Last 5

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18.3

5star

K

8.5

3star

HB

9.8

5star

M

2.3

2star

T

3.8

5star

CL

2.7

4star

D

19.8

5star

K

9.6

4star

HB

10.2

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.2

4star

CL

3.2

4star

D

14.8

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

7.2

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.4

5star

CL

1.6

4star

didn't get this kind of treatment after he became a sniffer dog.

 

[sr36]

I haven’t looked at the Tik Tok thing, but it seems an overreaction.

But back to De Goey. Once the footage of him went viral, it lost its immediate consensual context. Instead we have an image circulating of a senior player simulating oral sex. Not exactly what the marketing department has in mind when trying to drum up membership. Think about the 10 year old kid pestering mum to buy him/her a Pies membership. She might not be so keen after that.

Respect for the club is damaged by footage such as this. The Bali context, and fun amongst friends, is irrelevant for many who see this stuff. They are horrible images to have in circulation and associated with our club. Its why the club has used the strong words.

I know many of you will disagree, but there are plenty more outside the BF bubble who see this as a significant problem. And they are Pies supporters. When you talk about the ‘side by side’ slogan, it doesn’t just apply to one point of view. It’s a hollow concept anyway, when one of our idiot players so disrespects our brand.

I think it's really dangerous territory when you start punishing people for the image of their behaviour and it's potential to have an impact on a brand, rather than their behaviour. Rather than encouraging inclusion it's creating an environment where discrimination can and will flourish. All manner of difference can negatively impact the image of a company amongst large members of society.

Jordy should only answer for his behaviour. Only Jordy and Remy are in a position to judge the appropriateness of his actions towards her that night. He's not responsible for a chopped up editted video and the social or financial impact of it. That's the spreaders of the video's responsibility. If the spreading of that video causes social harm, it's not him spreading it. He needs to be smarter for his own good and understand that certain actions will be damaging for him, because society is prejudiced and judgemental. But he shouldn't be externally punished unless his behaviour deserves it, which noone can tell from that clip.

 

[domus]

What's your gender mate? I wonder how your female friends - provided you have some - would assess those comments & especially when combined with the entire De Goey circus? BYE.

Again, you write as if females don't gather and do exactly the same thing and worse! It's hilarious. Insanity rules.

 

[MyManLynch]

Media can say anything they like about our players…attack them, accuse them…Robbo ‘mental health card’ comments…
Collingwood response…nothing.
Strategy…batten the hatches…wait for the storm to pass.
Don‘t bother attempting to call out unfair comments or bias.

 

[OniAu]

Media can say anything they like about our players…attack them, accuse them…Robbo ‘mental health card’ comments…
Collingwood response…nothing.
Strategy…batten the hatches…wait for the storm to pass.
Don‘t bother attempting to call out unfair comments or bias.

Agree entirely

In terms of access from the media to the pies , can the pies just say they are off limits? Or are they obliged to make themselves available with rules from the AFL

 

[MyManLynch]

Agree entirely

In terms of access from the media to the pies , can the pies just say they are off limits? Or are they obliged to make themselves available with rules from the AFL

Contractually bound.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

I think it's really dangerous territory when you start punishing people for the image of their behaviour and it's potential to have an impact on a brand, rather than their behaviour. Rather than encouraging inclusion it's creating an environment where discrimination can and will flourish. All manner of difference can negatively impact the image of a company amongst large members of society.

Jordy should answer for his behaviour. Only Jordy and Remy are in a position to judge the appropriateness of his actions that night. He's not responsible for a chopped up editted video and the social or financial impact of it. That's the spreaders of the video's responsibility. If the spreading of that video causes social harm, it's not him spreading it. He needs to be smarter for his own good and understand that certain actions will be damaging for him, because society is prejudiced and judgemental. But he shouldn't be externally punished unless his behaviour deserves it, which noone can tell from that clip.

He needs to be smarter and the club needs to move on ASAP without lingering on any of the DG or TT stuff. If the media insist on squeezing the story for more than it is capable of giving, someone at the club needs to be assertive and silence them. 'The club has acted - there is no more to see or to be said'.

I'd prefer to keep DG next year and don't want him walking to another club because he is afraid of standing in the spotlight all the time. I don't much like him as a person but he is a known quantity in every respect and very necessary for future success. In the end, all that should matter to a supporter is whether or not a player is going to help win us the big games.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Section 7

When using social media, do not:

post material that is offensive, obscene, disparaging, defamatory, threatening, harassing,
bullying, discriminatory, hateful, racist, sexist, infringes copyright, constitutes a contempt
of court, breaches a court suppression order, or is otherwise unlawful;

This is where it is a grey area.

What is considered all these things will vary from person to person, if it's just one person that finds what Jordy did one or all of these things, and that's enough for the AFL to penalise

Then we may as well shut the whole comp down now.

 

[MyManLynch]

This is where it is a grey area.

What is considered all these things will vary from person to person, if it's just one person that finds what Jordy did one or all of these things, and that's enough for the AFL to penalise

Then we may as well shut the whole comp down now.

Plus…did Jordy actually post the material?
He’s a silly sausage…we know that, but the constant pile on thru the media is ridiculous.
If this was illicit drugs or illegal pr0n…the media would be complicit in distributing the material.

 

[odoyle_rules]

Again, you write as if females don't gather and do exactly the same thing and worse! It's hilarious. Insanity rules.

No it's worse - he's speaking on behalf of all females which contradicts the whole point of equality and women rights. This woke nation is f#^&$.

Everything Jordy done was 100% consensual and totally benign. The other two are kids being kids - get over it bro!

For gods sake, my wife sees it as a show of affection when I tap her on the bum - you lot would have me locked up for it!

 

[Carringbush2010]

Plus…did Jordy actually post the material?
He’s a silly sausage…we know that, but the constant pile on thru the media is ridiculous.
If this was illicit drugs or illegal pr0n…the media would be complicit in distributing the material.

We know it was not Jordy who posted it, has been reported it was Remy.

Agree with the rest.

 

[sr36]

What's your gender mate? I wonder how your female friends - provided you have some - would assess those comments & especially when combined with the entire De Goey circus? BYE.

The point you and others are missing is that gender isn't the issue with that questionnaire. It's a trending questionnaire done by all genders discussing traits and behaviours they find more or less attractive. It is gender inclusive. It's a generational thing and it's absolutely ridiculous that the oldies are lecturing the most gender inclusive generation there has ever been on how to be more gender inclusive.

The issue with those ratings things isn't gender equality, it's that it encourages an unrealistic desire for perfection from all genders.