Knightmare
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I may have done something like this on a previous page? I can't recall.
I may save an exercise such as this for after the draft as they get seem to get so heavily scrutinised that I'd like to spend more time than I've probably got at the moment to put something like that together.
Happy to do it then though if you ask in December/January. post draft.
For the first time Knighmare I have to say no idea lol.
Spoke to a friend at the Pies and he has told me the deal is done and Cloke has ripped up contract saving you $500k.... pick 71.
As for Jong cant Knock back $450-$550 a year at gold Coast 4 years pick 22 is on the table
Hrovat has Carlton,St Kilda,Melbourne,Essendon all ready to deal so pick around mid 20s is a great chance
Stevens is a hard one with only Essendon and Richmond keen.
My interest in analysis not news breaking.
Given the speculation that Western Bulldogs are only interested in trading pick 71 and Collingwood seeming from my impression mostly just interested in dumping Cloke. I am happy to give my perspective, given the odds a deal of Cloke for very little will happen.
My stance is, if Collingwood trade that poorly that's their own fault. Salary dump or not (and I don't believe dumping Cloke's salary is a positive in Collingwood's list build at all) the lack of compensation being suggested is beyond poor. Collingwood would benefit from (to make a tragic position less bad) getting creative and at least working a three way trade with Gold Coast involving Lin Jong - get a lesser player as a Sam Day or Trent McKenzie.
Cloke projects in 2017 to have (per 20 games) a 250 disposal, 130 mark (35 contested), 30 goal season and I expect he ongoing maintains numbers around that mark. That is of a clear best 22 standard on any team in the competition. Further to this, given Cloke's career durability, I expect him to also continue playing 20+ games each season. Western Bulldogs are absolutely getting a steal in Cloke, and Collingwood have blundered badly by letting Cloke walk on a team that after Darcy Moore lacks a second AFL standard key forward (unless Ben Reid swings forward which is ill-advised given the lack of footskills and intercept marking the Collingwood back half are able to generate). My expectation with Cloke is that he continues playing (given his father played until the age of 36 and remained productive and durable) until around the age of 35.
Plainly put, Western Bulldogs by getting Cloke are getting a steal, assuming he compliments the clubs front half which is my only question with Stringer, Crameri, Boyd (when forward) and Cloke a beefy front half.
Jong to Gold Coast is expected though I have not heard what the currency will be so I can't confirm/deny your thoughts, other than looking at the deal and thinking "what are Gold Coast thinking?". Gold Coast are substantially overpaying if they agree to trading a pick in the 20s. Jong is able to win it on the inside to an ok-good standard and is an above average athlete, but his kicking is poor his numbers even though at AFL level he plays a lot forward aren't anything mildly resembling midfield-like.
Trading for Cloke, and trading away Hrovat, Jong and Stevens would be excellent trading from a Western Bulldogs perspective, moving three players who don't project as best 22 players in 2017 (due to the sheer quantity of quality midfielders) and adding an established player who projects to be a best 22 player and can add veteran leadership and aid in the development of the likes of Boyd and Stringer. \
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