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gbatman said:
Motlop looks like a midfielder who can play half forward and rest deep. Would not be surprised to see him on the ball or on a wing a fair bit in a few years time. He also looks more like a 3rd year player, really strong body, he's going to be good around congestion which is good as a mid and a forward.

Carroll looks to have some quality footy smarts but might be a bit light on for AFL at this stage although with the mature bodies in our side he could fit in there alright.

Both look as if they could slip into our senior side and make an impact but there is no rush.
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From everything I’ve seen and read about Motlop he is a small forward and isn’t going to be a midfielder any time soon. Given the structure of our list I hope the club and the player focus on him becoming the high quality small forward we need him to be.
 
JustaBattler said:
Motlop's field kicking and awareness is AFL has a bit of toe as well - will play sooner rather than later.
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100%

We have some talent either injured or still raw that will improve out list in the not so distant future:
Motlop
Carroll
Honey
Kemp
Philp

If these 5 come on sooner rather than later, we set ourselves up big time
 
TENACIOUS said:
Would take him in a heart beat, on potential...

But on total output so far, wouldn't even get a game in our midfield at the moment...
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Sounds like the injuries have really slowed him down.
 
HereComesJuddy said:
100%

We have some talent either injured or still raw that will improve out list in the not so distant future:
Motlop
Carroll
Honey
Kemp
Philp

If these 5 come on sooner rather than later, we set ourselves up big time
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Philp plays like Cottrell from what I've seen in firsts - panic panic panic
 
Beyond Blue said:
From everything I’ve seen and read about Motlop he is a small forward and isn’t going to be a midfielder any time soon. Given the structure of our list I hope the club and the player focus on him becoming the high quality small forward we need him to be.
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Looking at the highlights from the VFL game, he is hungry (in a good sense) and has poise. Pretty good traits at his age.
 
Don't they both move well (Carroll and Motlop)? Carroll maybe has to work on his right side, as he had to turn and go with his left EVERY time, but I loved what I saw. He can definitely football...and is happy to get down and dirty as well as use that beautiful left foot of his.

Motlop looked quick, confident and also happy to mix it with the big boys.

Keep developing boys...keep developing.
 
Beyond Blue said:
From everything I’ve seen and read about Motlop he is a small forward and isn’t going to be a midfielder any time soon. Given the structure of our list I hope the club and the player focus on him becoming the high quality small forward we need him to be.
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That's what he has been and what a player has been doesn't define what a player will become when they come into the AFL. But say we didn't know any of that and were shown that footage. I would say we are looking at a really good dual purpose midfielder and half forward. That's what he looked like from those highlights.

Why is that? He's a big body and a strong body but he's also is a powerful runner which is always a combination that excites me, especially when you add footy skills and nouse into that mix. Can see him being good at breaking tackles, laying tackles, winning contested ball, breaking away from contests and feeding off our ball winners. Similar to what Cerra is now. That to me says onballer, winger and half forward who can probably play deep forward as well.

We aren't really desperate for small forwards. Durdin will be a gun, Owies is making terrific progress and Honey will be very good as well. What we need to do is develop him to be multi-positional and allow his performances to dictate what his primary position is. The best result for him and for the club is if he can play midfield and forward.

What I am saying is don't be surprised if we see him going onto the ball at some stage in his career and killing it. Don't be afraid to develop him into another Dustin Martin, someone who can win matches from the middle or from the forward line.
 
gbatman said:
That's what he has been and what a player has been doesn't define what a player will become when they come into the AFL. But say we didn't know any of that and were shown that footage. I would say we are looking at a really good dual purpose midfielder and half forward. That's what he looked like from those highlights.

Why is that? He's a big body and a strong body but he's also is a powerful runner which is always a combination that excites me, especially when you add footy skills and nouse into that mix. Can see him being good at breaking tackles, laying tackles, winning contested ball, breaking away from contests and feeding off our ball winners. Similar to what Cerra is now. That to me says onballer, winger and half forward who can probably play deep forward as well.

We aren't really desperate for small forwards. Durdin will be a gun, Owies is making terrific progress and Honey will be very good as well. What we need to do is develop him to be multi-positional and allow his performances to dictate what his primary position is. The best result for him and for the club is if he can play midfield and forward.

What I am saying is don't be surprised if we see him going onto the ball at some stage in his career and killing it. Don't be afraid to develop him into another Dustin Martin, someone who can win matches from the middle or from the forward line.
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We are desperate for small forwards...durdin is young and played 2 games, honey same. Owies older and tracking nicely but also hasn't been in the senior team that long. And with motlop that's it, no depth.

Meanwhile, our midfield is quite stacked now.

Motlop was a small forward as a junior and we need one...no reason to change him into a mid. A small forward who pushes high half forward sure, but not midfielder.
 

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gbatman said:
That's what he has been and what a player has been doesn't define what a player will become when they come into the AFL. But say we didn't know any of that and were shown that footage. I would say we are looking at a really good dual purpose midfielder and half forward. That's what he looked like from those highlights.

Why is that? He's a big body and a strong body but he's also is a powerful runner which is always a combination that excites me, especially when you add footy skills and nouse into that mix. Can see him being good at breaking tackles, laying tackles, winning contested ball, breaking away from contests and feeding off our ball winners. Similar to what Cerra is now. That to me says onballer, winger and half forward who can probably play deep forward as well.

We aren't really desperate for small forwards. Durdin will be a gun, Owies is making terrific progress and Honey will be very good as well. What we need to do is develop him to be multi-positional and allow his performances to dictate what his primary position is. The best result for him and for the club is if he can play midfield and forward.

What I am saying is don't be surprised if we see him going onto the ball at some stage in his career and killing it. Don't be afraid to develop him into another Dustin Martin, someone who can win matches from the middle or from the forward line.
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I disagree. I think Motlop has the potential to be a really good small forward but I reckon I can safely predict he’s not going to turn into Dusty Martin ever. The same stuff was said of Cyril Rioli with everyone wanting him to become a midfielder whilst overlooking the fact he was a superb half forward flanker. I’d be beside myself happy if Motlop was half as good as Rioli let alone adding another degree of difficulty by expecting him to go into the middle and swing games. Just look at the trouble Dow (who was a midfielder as a junior) has had developing into a midfielder at AFL level. Let’s let our players thrive in the roles that got them to AFL level rather than try and make them something they are not.

Also let’s not lull ourselves into a false sense of security off the back of a couple scratch matches about our shortcomings at the small crumbing forward role. At the start of the season none of Durdin, Owies or Honey had kicked more than 20 goals in a season (the bare pass for a small forward). Admittedly none of them have played enough games in a season to achieve that feat to do that but even that proves my point that these guys are not even close to being proven commodities at AFL level in that role.
 
Beyond Blue said:
I disagree. I think Motlop has the potential to be a really good small forward but I reckon I can safely predict he’s not going to turn into Dusty Martin ever. The same stuff was said of Cyril Rioli with everyone wanting him to become a midfielder whilst overlooking the fact he was a superb half forward flanker. I’d be beside myself happy if Motlop was half as good as Rioli let alone adding another degree of difficulty by expecting him to go into the middle and swing games. Just look at the trouble Dow (who was a midfielder as a junior) has had developing into a midfielder at AFL level. Let’s let our players thrive in the roles that got them to AFL level rather than try and make them something they are not.

Also let’s not lull ourselves into a false sense of security off the back of a couple scratch matches about our shortcomings at the small crumbing forward role. At the start of the season none of Durdin, Owies or Honey had kicked more than 20 goals in a season (the bare pass for a small forward). Admittedly none of them have played enough games in a season to achieve that feat to do that but even that proves my point that these guys are not even close to being proven commodities at AFL level in that role.
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Not saying he won't be a good small forward, I'm saying he can be good in other positions as well.

Dow's issues have nothing to do with being played forward, if anything that has added to his game.

They haven't had the opportunity to kick that many goals, their careers are in their infancy, they will be terrific players for us.
 
gbatman said:
Not saying he won't be a good small forward, I'm saying he can be good in other positions as well.

Dow's issues have nothing to do with being played forward, if anything that has added to his game.

They haven't had the opportunity to kick that many goals, their careers are in their infancy, they will be terrific players for us.
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The reference to Dow wasn't about him playing forward rather it was more to do with the fact that, despite being an exceptional midfielder as junior, after 4 years in the system Dow still doesn't have the physical capacity to play in the midfield at senior level.

I'm bullish on Owies, Durdin and Honey and believe at least 2 of them will become good AFL level footballers, but as it stands today none of them are proven players, so what's the harm in some more competition from Motlop to keep everyone on their toes.
 
Love the Drake said:
Don't they both move well (Carroll and Motlop)? Carroll maybe has to work on his right side, as he had to turn and go with his left EVERY time, but I loved what I saw. He can definitely football...and is happy to get down and dirty as well as use that beautiful left foot of his.

Motlop looked quick, confident and also happy to mix it with the big boys.

Keep developing boys...keep developing.
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Carroll looked good from those highlights but the dependency on his left sided was glaring.

That said I reckon if he can have a solid run of 4-5 good performances in the 2's he might get a look in some time this season if injuries and/or poor form of the incumbents dictate it.
 
F_therest said:
We are desperate for small forwards...durdin is young and played 2 games, honey same. Owies older and tracking nicely but also hasn't been in the senior team that long. And with motlop that's it, no depth.

Meanwhile, our midfield is quite stacked now.

Motlop was a small forward as a junior and we need one...no reason to change him into a mid. A small forward who pushes high half forward sure, but not midfielder.
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Not for long
 
Beyond Blue said:
The reference to Dow wasn't about him playing forward rather it was more to do with the fact that, despite being an exceptional midfielder as junior, after 4 years in the system Dow still doesn't have the physical capacity to play in the midfield at senior level.

I'm bullish on Owies, Durdin and Honey and believe at least 2 of them will become good AFL level footballers, but as it stands today none of them are proven players, so what's the harm in some more competition from Motlop to keep everyone on their toes.
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That's one of his downfalls, he hasn't become a really good contested ball winner, at least not yet. Now we have players who are he has the opportunity to be a contested ball winner but feed off them as well, that is if he has the smarts to do so. This has been one of his downfalls and a big one IMO, he's not great at feeding off the ball winners. You see Cerra who is great at winning it but is great at feeding off when someone else wins it, it's a big deal having midfielders who can do both at a high level. An inside outside mid. That's what we have lacked terribly and have found with him. Dow needs to get better at both aspects of his game. Back to Motlop, I see a guy who can do both and this is why down the track he could be valuable going into the middle.

3 of them will make it.
 
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