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[HereComesJuddy]

Think we maybe talking about two different things mate...

Pittonet and TDK would both be playing.
Pittonet - #1 Ruck
TDK - Forward/ #2 Ruck

The old Goldy (type ruck) would be cover for if either were injured...
Would give Mirkov time to develop, because his still very raw...

Cant see Goldstein leaving the club he has played 16 years to be a backup. I'm pretty sure he would stay a 1 club legend rather than spend 1 or 2 years on a list as 3rd or 4th fiddle playing in our seconds.

I could be wrong though

 

[Michael Jezz]

Music to my ears when Voss said we are going to the draft this year

 

[AT97]

Music to my ears when Voss said we are going to the draft this year

Where did he come out with that?

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Would rather go the experienced old bloke wanting to extend his time on an AFL list, who is happy waiting on an injury...
Allowing Mirkov to continue to develop...

We have 3 young ruckman already, don't want another unless we are getting rid of or upgrading to an elite one...

Goldstein suggested that North and he would be happy to explore other options..

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Cant see Goldstein leaving the club he has played 16 years to be a backup. I'm pretty sure he would stay a 1 club legend rather than spend 1 or 2 years on a list as 3rd or 4th fiddle playing in our seconds.

I could be wrong though

Forget which footy show I watched but he was on it and very much implied that North and he may be open to a mutually beneficial split. North have Xeri, Coleman Jones and Edwards they need to start getting games into.. Goldy would be looking to chase a flag rather than a pay day so would fit in perfectly for us.

 

[Stamos]

Forget which footy show I watched but he was on it and very much implied that North and he may be open to a mutually beneficial split. North have Xeri, Coleman Jones and Edwards they need to start getting games into.. Goldy would be looking to chase a flag rather than a pay day so would fit in perfectly for us.

A VFL Premiership?

 

[Michael Jezz]

Where did he come out with that?

Today's interview when questioned on interest in De Goey. He said outright No because we are in list building mode

 

[HereComesJuddy]

Music to my ears when Voss said we are going to the draft this year

Amon as a free agent it is then along with going to the draft

 

[bmaurizio]

Jackson Broadbent or Jedd Busslinger either of these lads would be great additions, leading contender in their respective positions of best Ruckman & KPD.
Broadbent is the more urgent need for us, we’re desperate for a quality young Ruckman to develop.

 

[The Return of the Paf]

Jackson Broadbent or Jedd Busslinger either of these lads would be great additions, leading contender in their respective positions of best Ruckman & KPD.
Broadbent is the more urgent need for us, we’re desperate for a quality young Ruckman to develop.

I would rather Buslinger or a forward/ruck like Isaac Keeler. There are probably cheaper pure ruck options at our second pick, or there about.

 

[Arr0w]

Jackson Broadbent or Jedd Busslinger either of these lads would be great additions, leading contender in their respective positions of best Ruckman & KPD.
Broadbent is the more urgent need for us, we’re desperate for a quality young Ruckman to develop.

Busslinger will go top 6, Broadbent, might be there, but there are a number of decent talls 2nd and 3rd round

 

[outabounds]

I take it that it's a given that Dow will be somewhere else next year. I think it's disappointing that he has been given no chance to show anything this year. There really were some moments to get excited about last year. I think he can make it somewhere else.

 

[forever blue 1]

Everyone is naturally entitled to a opinion on this, but after reading a number of these posts some people need to


You make the point we cannot go another year with makeshift ruckman.
l am certain the key people at Carlton don't share that view and see DeKoning as a key part of our ruck plans and is two years away from his best and this year is only going to fast track his development.

l believe we are better served finding a key position player than can pinch hit in the ruck rather than someone at the back end of their career.

Also depends on the durability of Pittonet and whether he can be on the field consistently like many other injury prone players we have.

TDK in my opinion will never be a ruckman. He just doesn’t even feel like a ruck, he’s more Joe Daniher I reckon.

 

[Accidental genius]

Re: incoming stop gap ruckman

I can’t see how it can work…

How do we continue playing/developing tdk as a ruck/forward and playing Pitto and playing another stop gap ruckman like say Goldstein for example?

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Re: incoming stop gap ruckman

I can’t see how it can work…

How do we continue playing/developing tdk as a ruck/forward and playing Pitto and playing another stop gap ruckman like say Goldstein for example?

You can’t. That’s why I think we will be targeting a C grader.

 

[forever blue 1]

You can’t. That’s why I think we will be targeting a C grader.

C minus logically is higher than c plus
Negative always comes before a positive
So c minus is close to b plus.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

C minus logically is higher than c plus
Negative always comes before a positive
So c minus is close to b plus.

Something like that

 

[Jeremias]

Stop gap ruckman would need to play VFL unless an injury…

Yep, where he takes invaluable ruck time away from Mirkov.

It doesn’t work unless this experienced ruck can play another position.

That’s exactly why the Goldstein talk makes no sense.

 

[katmanblue]

Yep, where he takes invaluable ruck time away from Mirkov.

It doesn’t work unless this experienced ruck can play another position.

That’s exactly why the Goldstein talk makes no sense.

Perfect example would be when we got Lobbe from Port for a year.

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[Coona Blues]

TDK in my opinion will never be a ruckman. He just doesn’t even feel like a ruck, he’s more Joe Daniher I reckon.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion. He may not be a superstar ruck, but will be a very valuable player. Think Rory Lobb is closest comparison of his minimum base that comes to mind. But with a much better leap.

I have more hope that he will become a quality ruck than you and others. There are gaps in his developmnent from both a physical and craft point of view. His pre seasons have been compromised right through. He seems to periodically succumb to medium term injury early in the season. I suspect it is from attempting a heavy workload. It doesn’t mean he is not capable of a heavy workload going forward. Most people who have subjected them to a rigorous (on the edge) physical program, will attest that during this time you are prone to some ridiculous “innocuous” injuries doing basic day to day tasks as the result of fatigue from conditioning work.

With the Covid interruptions over the last few years, physical development has been far from linear for most. Similarly, specialist coaches are or at least have been less accessible. I also question his coaching from our “Tractor” Kreuzer. So much similarity between MK and Pitto, but TDK a whole different kettle of fish. I believe he needs some layers added to his craft, that I wonder if big K has the experience and nous for.

Have been trying to visualise a fair comparison to a possible ceiling for Tom. For the oldies, if he can gain a little more awareness and expand his hitting zone, I came up with Simon Madden.

It is way too early to write him off at 22, but does have some work to do to realise his undoubted potential. If he becomes a potent third tall, second ruck, that is OK, but still has layers and physical development to add, let’s wait a couple of years before making outlandish negative claims of his worth.

 

[Stamos]

So we can only have 3 rucks to the detriment of the seniors if there is an injury, so a VFL ruck Mirkov can get minutes? That makes no sense to me..

Most teams have 4 ruck options

Our 4th ruck option needs to be a Levi type, play KF/2nd ruck in the 2s, and provide KPF/ruck/KPD coverage for the 1s.

 

[Coona Blues]

Our 4th ruck option needs to be a Levi type, play KF/2nd ruck in the 2s, and provide KPF/ruck/KPD coverage for the 1s.

Our fourth ruck option is currently Young. If OMac hadn’t gone down it probably would have been his lot. The ideal is to have solid KPD options and draft (or trade young prospect) a forward/ruck. This should be feasible.

The condition and perception of OMac and S.Durdin is going to have a massive affect on our draft priorities.

 

[Stiffler's Dad]

Jackson Broadbent or Jedd Busslinger either of these lads would be great additions, leading contender in their respective positions of best Ruckman & KPD.
Broadbent is the more urgent need for us, we’re desperate for a quality young Ruckman to develop.

Anyone who can sling a bus is worthy of a list spot in my book.

 

[macky99]

TDK in my opinion will never be a ruckman. He just doesn’t even feel like a ruck, he’s more Joe Daniher I reckon.

l believe you may need to revisit this commentary.
TDk is a very good long term ruckman, he has done a fantastic job with Pittonet absent.
Hope some of the negativity subsides from here.

 

[No1Suspect]

Stuff Amon, give Baker what he wants if ms3s rumour has got legs.