Expansion Making State of Origin work

[acker]

Under 23's (no players who turn 24 after 1st January 2???) so hopefully injury pull outs get reduced.

Group 1

Victoria, West Australia, South Australia and Allies (best of NSW, Qld, NT, Tas & ACT)

Group 2

NSW/ACT, Queensland, Northern Territory and Tasmania

1 match per year eg year 1

(Grp 1) Vic v WA...S.A v Allies

(Grp 2) NSW/ACT v Qld.....NT v Tas

Following year the winners play each other as do the losers

 

[Whispers]

How about you get them to do an exhibition of boomerang throwing while you are at it? Maybe they can play naked to show how the savages used to play Marngrook.

Then maybe we can classify you into a team based on your racial heritage. If you are pommy, perhaps you can give us an exhibition on how to make pork pies and spotted dicks. If you consider your heritage to be Australian, perhaps you can rock up wearing mole-skin trousers and give us a musical performance with one of those sticks covered in beer-bottle lids.

The key words here are "We have catagoriesed a race into team to represent their proud culture."

You want performing monkeys to entertain you, but you know nothing about Aborigines. There is no such thing as "Aboriginal culture." There are "Aboriginal cultures." Your ignorance astounds me in this day and age. Its embrassing.

And of course an Aboriginal All-Star team would be booed. In a game of football, you support your team and boo the opposition. That is the way it goes.

As for NZ with their Maori team, South Africa used to have racially defined teams as well. Does the fact that other countries do it make it ok? And New Zealand isn't exactly a model of peace and harmony now is it. Their foreign minister says things more extreme than Pauline Hanson.

You have taken this topic way to far and beyond the original idea.

 

[genghiskhan]

You have taken this topic way to far and beyond the original idea.

No. You just haven't considered the consequences of your actions, nor have you considered whether you would like to be assigned to sporting teams based on your race.

I appreciate that there was no intended malice in your idea, but that has always been the problem with race relations in this country. There is never any intended malice. What there is people who fail to consider the consequences of their actions, and people who go along with whatever fashionable race idea at the time.

 

[cos789]

You just haven't considered the consequences of your actions

There is already a yearly contest sanctioned by the AFL
and the aboriginals are the most higfhly motivated .
We've already had numerous aboriginal teams representing Australia
against RSA .
rl even has an aboriginal league .
If aboriginals weren't more than proud to play
it would never ever happen .
Try trolling some other subject .

 

[richo1982]

I agree we should organise an aboriginal all star team to take on the wog all stars, just imagine the passion in that game.

Maybe the winners could take on those with an anglo saxon background and we can get rid of soo all together?

 

[richo1982]

I agree we should organise an aboriginal all star team to take on the wog all stars, just imagine the passion in that game.

Maybe the winners could take on those with an anglo saxon background and we can get rid of soo all together?

 

[genghiskhan]

There is already a yearly contest sanctioned by the AFL
and the aboriginals are the most higfhly motivated .
We've already had numerous aboriginal teams representing Australia
against RSA .
rl even has an aboriginal league .
If aboriginals weren't more than proud to play
it would never ever happen .
Try trolling some other subject .

So are Aborigines no longer defined by statistics of disadvantage? Has racism against Aborigines now disappeared? If the Aboriginal all-stars lost to Victoria by 100 points, Bay 13 posters wouldn't refer to the All Stars the way they refer to the Dockers?

Just because something is sanctioned by the AFL doesn't make it right. Removing children from Aboriginal communities was once sanctioned by the Australian government and was done with the aid of some Aborigines, but that doesn't make it right either. Apartheid in South Africa was sanctioned by the government, and likewise maintained with the support of tribal elders, but it was not right.

It is ironic that you mention South Africa considering that one of the reasons the South African government wants to introduce Aussie rules is that it wants to break down race and tribal identities with a new sport that encourages diverse people to play under the one banner. I guess you wouldn't know much about diversity from the safety of the eastern suburbs.

 

[cos789]

It is ironic that you mention South Africa considering that one of the reasons the South African government wants to introduce Aussie rules is that it wants to break down race and tribal identities with a new sport that encourages diverse people to play under the one banner.

can you save that thought .

 

[Whispers]

So are Aborigines no longer defined by statistics of disadvantage? Has racism against Aborigines now disappeared? If the Aboriginal all-stars lost to Victoria by 100 points, Bay 13 posters wouldn't refer to the All Stars the way they refer to the Dockers?

Just because something is sanctioned by the AFL doesn't make it right. Removing children from Aboriginal communities was once sanctioned by the Australian government and was done with the aid of some Aborigines, but that doesn't make it right either. Apartheid in South Africa was sanctioned by the government, and likewise maintained with the support of tribal elders, but it was not right.

It is ironic that you mention South Africa considering that one of the reasons the South African government wants to introduce Aussie rules is that it wants to break down race and tribal identities with a new sport that encourages diverse people to play under the one banner. I guess you wouldn't know much about diversity from the safety of the eastern suburbs.

A) I never mentioned South Africa.
B) Haha... Where do you think I live? Have you heard of a place called Mount Isa.... Hence the reason why I KNOW that so many Aboriginals would feel honoured to wear the colours in a representative match.
C) This has nothing to do with the stolen generation not has it got to do with Government's history and previous actions or even tribes as you mention.
D) Once again... you have taken this topic way too far!

 

[Whispers]

There is already a yearly contest sanctioned by the AFL
and the aboriginals are the most higfhly motivated .
We've already had numerous aboriginal teams representing Australia
against RSA .
rl even has an aboriginal league .
If aboriginals weren't more than proud to play
it would never ever happen .
Try trolling some other subject .

I'm trolling nothing mate... Just a point of view that would do wonders for the Aboriginal community.

 

[genghiskhan]

A) I never mentioned South Africa.
B) Haha... Where do you think I live? Have you heard of a place called Mount Isa.... Hence the reason why I KNOW that so many Aboriginals would feel honoured to wear the colours in a representative match.
C) This has nothing to do with the stolen generation not has it got to do with Government's history and previous actions or even tribes as you mention.
D) Once again... you have taken this topic way too far!

a) That was a response to another post.
b) It is irrelevant whether Aborigines want to be involved. In South Africa, Xhosas like to be in conflicts with Zulus and vice versa. White people like to have rugby union teams to themselves. Black tribes like soccer teams to themselves. However, sensible people need to look at the consequences of such race-based identities, and the sporting teams that support them, and say they are not acceptable.
d) In regards to racism, thinking of the consequences of your actions is not taking things too far.

 

[genghiskhan]

I'm trolling nothing mate... Just a point of view that would do wonders for the Aboriginal community.

In the 1880s, an Aboriginal cricket team toured England. They played their matches, and also did some performances of spear and boomerang throwing. Did it do wonders for the Aboriginal community back then?

Even if the Aboriginal community did benefit, side-effects need to be considered and you can look to New Zealand for your guide about what these side-effects would be. New Zealand has a strong Maori identity, which in turn provokes a strong Pakeha identity. Asian immigrants, and their descendants, are excluded from both these identities. As a consequence, you have the New Zealand foreign minister saying things like:

"Maori will be disturbed to know that in 17 years’ time they will be outnumbered by Asians in New Zealand "

New Zealand is a cesspool of racism, and its fondness for race-based identities,however noble they seem, is the principle reason.

 

[cos789]

Black is black and white is white no matter how much you argue to the contrary.

Oh dear .

 

[richo1982]

U haven't answered the question whispers, Why don't we organise a game for the anglo saxon afl players against the aboriginal players. It would be great to see all the people of british heritage coming together and celebrating our heritage in much the same way. For the record I actually agree with you about the aboriginal thing but only if a team is made for other races too. Otherwise thats what wa#kers like u call RACISM!

 

[genghiskhan]

Oh dear .

This was posted in a different thread in a context that had nothing to do with racial identity.

It is a clear indication that you have serious issues with race to address considering that you thought of racial politics when you have heard a common saying about people trying to defend an indefensible position. You don't spend much time around other races do you?

 

[cos789]

It is a clear indication that ...........................

That you take yourself way too seriously .

Seriously . If you want to do some serious good
then stop talking and make some serious action .
instead of lambasting people whose only vice is to follow football .

.

 

[The Passenger]

The promotion demotion idea seems to be the best IMO.

One round of games every year. If you lose you drop down, if you win you go up. Play it in 1 of 2 midseason breaks.

Season 1 might be:

Victoria v WA
SA v QLD/NT
NSW/ACT vs Tassie

The next season would be

Vic v SA
WA v Tassie
QLD/NT v NSW/ACT

etc.

Only takes one weekend, and you get 3 games. The problem is getting players to play, and clubs to allow them to play.

I figure they can solve that problem by offering cash prizes for every player a club has selected in the SOO comp.

Say, 100,000 a player. The AFL hands Geelong 100,000 for each of the 18 odd players it would get into these teams. Hard to say no to. Rewards clubs who produce SOO level players, and gives clubs insentive to release them.

and there is my idea.

i like your idea about promotion and relegation from the big game and only one weekend.

the problem is the state of origin still needs to be viable for the AFL to accept it and by offering 100,000 a player might add to the quality of the game it puts the game even further behind the eight ball in terms of making money...

if there are 6 states and 22 players in each state, the AFL is coughing up $13,200,000 before they even start to look at making money.

I have floated the idea of payments to the players or clubs but the balance is tough to find an amount thats affordable and an amount thats enticing enough for the top players or clubs to be interested in risking injuries for.

i.e. $10,00 a player equates to $1,320,000 - to me thats affordable, but $10,000 to a top player isn't much, whilst a club like say Essendon, Collingwood or West Coast wouldn't find $100,000 (based on 10 players playing state of origin - which would be some achievement) all that attractive to risk losing one of their star players....

up the total to $20,000 per player and already the cost is $2,640,000. I would think that is a bit over the odds for the AFL for 3 games and it still might not be enough to entice players or clubs...

what would achieve something is having a rule (like in the NRL) where players who miss the state of origin, miss the next round of club games....

 

[genghiskhan]

That you take yourself way too seriously .

Seriously . If you want to do some serious good
then stop talking and make some serious action .
instead of lambasting people whose only vice is to follow football .

.

There are people on here on have more vices than following football. There are those ridicule the use of public transport, promote racially-based identities, have trouble dealing with diversity and are unable to consider the consequences of their actions. These vices directly impact upon the ability to expand football. In order to deal with the problems, we must first expose the problems rather than simply looking the other way.

 

[Whispers]

In the 1880s, an Aboriginal cricket team toured England. They played their matches, and also did some performances of spear and boomerang throwing. Did it do wonders for the Aboriginal community back then?

That was 120 years ago.......

Times have changed then my friend and Aboriginals are gradually being accepted into our community as bad as that sounds, especially when it comes to AFL.

Your comments about the Mauri's have nothing to do with sport. They are all political... THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH POLITICS!!

Its was an idea to unite the communities even more through a sport that is a nations game. It is that medium that has and will continue to unite the both communities/races (if I'm allowed to use the word).

 

[cos789]

There are people on here on have more vices than following football. There are those ridicule the use of public transport, promote racially-based identities, have trouble dealing with diversity and are unable to consider the consequences of their actions. These vices directly impact upon the ability to expand football. In order to deal with the problems, we must first expose the problems rather than simply looking the other way.

Fair enough .
So I'll see you trotting up to disband the aboriginal rl league in NSW .
That'll be something concrete you can get get your teeth into .
(mixed metaphors I know).Seriously that exists now and if you have
the energy that you have demonstrated here you will be effective .
Good luck .

 

[Whispers]

U haven't answered the question whispers, Why don't we organise a game for the anglo saxon afl players against the aboriginal players. It would be great to see all the people of british heritage coming together and celebrating our heritage in much the same way. For the record I actually agree with you about the aboriginal thing but only if a team is made for other races too. Otherwise thats what wa#kers like u call RACISM!

This is pointless... going around in circles over and over again. I am far from racist by the way. I just believe that the idea would break many barriers that the outer community has with Aboriginals...

We had racial problems at school and it was through sport that these barriers were erased. Maybe you readers have experienced a different type of racism to me but until you understand how much football means to Aboriginals, and how it allows them to acheive in a dominanted 'white man community', then you may never understand my intentions of the idea.

 

[Whispers]

One more point, the racism that Aboriginals have experienced in the past (and also today) is completely different to that of foriegners moving to Australia... I hope you aren't basing your arguments through previous personal racial experiences.

 

[cos789]

This is pointless... going around in circles over and over again. I am far from racist by the way. I just believe that the idea would break many barriers that the outer community has with Aboriginals...

Drop it . It is pointless . The PO brigade actually think they are actively
doing some good here . They'd never actually get out there and
physically do something constructive .

.

 

[richo1982]

This is pointless... going around in circles over and over again. I am far from racist by the way. I just believe that the idea would break many barriers that the outer community has with Aboriginals...

We had racial problems at school and it was through sport that these barriers were erased. Maybe you readers have experienced a different type of racism to me but until you understand how much football means to Aboriginals, and how it allows them to acheive in a dominanted 'white man community', then you may never understand my intentions of the idea.

u sir are talking in circles, I'll ask the question again, would you or would you not support the idea of an anglosaxon team as well to perphaps even play against the aboriginal all star team u suggest??????? This seems to be a very hard question for you for some reason as you seem to keep avoiding it.

You say you are far from racist. I don't think anyone is acusing you of racism, you seem like you are insecure and want to prove how UN racist you are. That is usually where people develop BS ideas like this. Just the desire to be a politically correct tool basically.

Football may mean a lot to aboriginal kids which is a good thing but we either live in a multicultural society or we don't. you would probably have a heart attack if the AFL decided to make up a team of the best anglo players. your idea comes boils down to this, you want to give special treatment to one race over another. By the way until you truly understand the white australian community and our proud heritage from all over the world, you may never understand why your idea is RACIST BS!

 

[Whispers]

Drop it . It is pointless . The PO brigade actually think they are actively
doing some good here . They'd never actually get out there and
physically do something constructive .

.

PO???