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Cornsey is totally correct to many players in our top 10 fairest & best shouldn't be on any AFL list.
Name two.
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Cornsey is totally correct to many players in our top 10 fairest & best shouldn't be on any AFL list.
Yep, bizarre call. You could make the argument Hurn and Gaff should have been moved on by now, but both were champions. And you could make the argument Witherden is a fringe player at best, but Kelly, Allen and Barrass are A-grade, Duggan, Hunt and Williams perfectly serviceable AFL players. Maybe you'd rather a first-year player not be among your best in Long, but given injuries and the way these awards reward games played, it's not surprising.Name two.
Surely shouldve been Name to.Name two.
Just popping in to remind everyone that Kornes is also on the AA selection panel. Please keep this conflict of interest in mind for any fan surveys the AFL put out.
Gaff and Witherden would be solid WAFL players. We now have enough good young or youngish players that Gaff, Sheed, Waterman, SPS, Rotham and Witherden can be regarded as depth. (Or delist.)Name two.
Cornsey is totally correct to many players in our top 10 fairest & best shouldn't be on any AFL list.
They are at best good WAFL players, but you cannot sack then all in 1 year. WCE will delist at least another 4-6 players & do the same next year.
The biggest mistake we have made is these ridiculous long term contracts with large sums of money to older players if they don't want to be here for X let them move on.
I would say that it is more or a case of not being able to fault his ability to play through injury. I saw him in West Leederville the Friday before our last game and he was limping noticeably.The club probably should have just called it the best, fairest and least injured this year to be fair. Gaff shouldn't have been anywhere near it on form but you can't fault his ability to not get injured.
Yeah if only we could swap Gaff's abilty to be injury free with say Yeo (or Shuey, Gov or NN).I would say that it is more or a case of not being able to fault his ability to play through injury. I saw him in West Leederville the Friday before our last game and he was limping noticeably.
Plodders sustain less injuries than burst/power athletes unfortunately. Seems like our S&C program is more suited to endurance as all out power athletes seem to breakdownYeah if only we could swap Gaff's abilty to be injury free with say Yeo (or Shuey, Gov or NN).
That would be awesome.Yeah if only we could swap Gaff's abilty to be injury free with say Yeo (or Shuey, Gov or NN).
Seven Eagles ‘facing the axe’ as big ruck decides future, Crow set to stay: Trade Whispers
Supposedly Nick Bryan re-signing with Essendon is another hit to the Eagles. I don't know how we will ever recover from this...
Injured players to Qatar for treatment:
Sounds like the club is buying a handful of magic beans here. Does anybody think this is going to make any difference at all?
How about they focus on making effort levels non - negotiable for anybody getting a game, getting fitness levels up in the whole squad, developing their players under 24 as quickly as possible and trying to pick up a couple of quality players cheaply (in terms of trade price) from other clubs instead of pinning all their hopes on finding magic solutions to chronic injuries to a handful of over 30's players.
I didn't argue that it "stopped" them from doing anything. I argued that the club's focus for the entire year has been on things that are largely outside of it's control, i.e. injuries. The answer to every question asked of every senior leader at the club all year has been put to pivot talking about their injury list. I have never once heard any of them from Simpson to Nisbett to Fitzpatrick admit that any department at the club has underperformed (let alone how they are going to rectify it). They have never admitted publicly, and i highly suspect from watching them closely they have never admitted to themselves privately either, that any of our problems are self inflicted or that their personal performances and the performances of the departments they oversee are just not good enough. If the small handful of old players with chronic injury problems think this will help them and want to do it then go ahead. I think they are wasting their money but that it up to them. As for the club itself, i am sick of hearing them focus on injuries to this group of players and blame everything on that and thereby absolve themselves of any blame for the problems. They have been doing it all year. Just like it was all Covid's fault in 2022. I don't think there will be a platform for sustained improvement at the club until they start taking responsibility and stop looking for external things to blame their problems on.Yes they’re pinning all their hopes of fixing the injury crisis on sending three players to the Middle East for a week during their holidays
It’s quite the conclusion you’ve leapt to
Magic beans or not, the players are taking time out of their holidays to go to a world renowned medical centre to get help on their respective injuries. They’re also paying part of the costs out of their own pocket
Any normal person would see that as a positive, however small
The trip also has nothing to do with the other things you mentioned nor does it prevent them from being done
I mean if you can explain how sending three players to a medical centre for treatment stops the club from recruiting other players I’d love to read it.
Go on, give it a bash
Kane just can't let it go.
Honestly, I don't think I've ever heard a media person critique a clubs B&F before.
Kane Cornes has savaged the lack of quality in West Coast’s best-and-fairest results this season as Jack Darling’s inability to finish in the top 10 highlighted his dramatic fall from grace.
Midfielder Tim Kelly won his first John Worsfold Medal after a superb season where he polled 200 votes to finish 37 votes clear of key forward Oscar Allen.
Under West Coast’s voting system, the five members of the club’s match committee awarded players votes from 0-3 after every game.
That gave players who avoided injury a significant advantage over their teammates who were recovering on the sidelines, but while Darling played 20 of his team’s 23 games, he finished 11th with only 78 votes.
Jack Darling finished 11th in the Worsfold Medal. Yes
Shannon Hurn placed fifth in the count despite playing only 13 matches. Tom Barrass tied with first-year forward Noah Long in ninth place, but the key defender only played 14 matches. Long played 19 games.
Luke Shuey and Elliot Yeo were both ahead of Darling after round 16, but they’d played in only five full games at that point compared to Darling’s 12. Both Yeo and Shuey struggled with injury and were subbed out of games during the season. Darling polled 34 of his 78 votes in the last five games to overtake several injured teammates.
Jack Darling struggled to have an impact during the season. YES
Cornes said the breakdown of the top 10 should a raise red flag at West Coast about how bad their list is.
“It is alarming,” Cornes told SEN.
“Tim Kelly won it, and he was deserving to win, he had a terrific season, well done to Tim.
“Oscar Allen was the other standout for what he did, he was in the All-Australian squad and kicked 53 goals in that side.
“After that, it is about as ugly a best-and-fairest result as you’re going to see.
“I’ll give you an example of that. Shannon Hurn finished fifth – he’s now retired, he played 13 games. That must be the softest top-five finish to a best-and-fairest ever.
Shannon Hurn receiving his fifth placed trophy. The West Australian
“Andrew Gaff - who probably shouldn’t be playing AFL football at all with all due respect, despite the fact he’s been an excellent player - but the time is up for Andrew. He finished seventh in their best-and-fairest.
“Alex Witherden probably wouldn’t be on a list of most clubs, once again with all due respect. He finished eighth and their best-and-fairest.”
Darling kicked 26 goals throughout 2023, which is his lowest tally since his debut season in 2011. He is contracted for another two years.
West Coast’s players have begun their annual leave with pre-season training set to start on November 6 for players between one and four years of experience. Older players aren’t required back at the club until November 20.