News Media Thread, 2024: Insightful, Inciteful and Incomptent

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You could call it football’s equivalent of a perfect storm. You could call it bad luck, bad management or a combination of both.

But whatever you choose to call it, West Coast’s Eagles plummet from a 2018 premiership to a 2023 wooden spoon and a start to 2024 so poor that sentiment is growing for them to get priority draft picks is an extraordinary tale of miscalculation, misadventure and misfortune.

There was the miscalculation of what they could gain from the trade to get Tim Kelly to the club and by way of extension what they could afford to pay for him.

There was the misadventure of Willie Rioli, a premiership star in 2018 but a Port Adelaide player by 2023 with a two year WADA drug infraction extension in between.

There was the misfortune of a frightening injury suffered by promising youngster Daniel Venables in 2019 which ended his career. And then there are the frustrating runs of injuries – the ones that eventually ended the careers of Luke Shuey, Brad Sheppard and Nic Naitanui and the ones that have severely limited the impacts of Elliot Yeo, Jeremy McGovern and Oscar Allen over the past four seasons.

West Coast have now won just five of the club’s last 52 games at a rate of less than a win every 10 games.

There was always a distracting reason to think it might not be as bad as it has now been revealed to be.

In 2022 it was Covid and a significant amount of injury that derailed them. In 2023 it was injury and it was probably injury only that provided sufficient mitigation factor to save coach Adam Simpson’s job, even though he has two years of a contract remaining.

Simpson told Fox Footy last week that he now had sufficient player availability for people to be able to legitimately judge him on his coaching.

It is a comment made against the perspective of the carnage of recent seasons because while Simpson now has up to a dozen players playing in the WAFL to put pressure on his AFL team – he is still without his co-captain Oscar Allen for two months and his ruck recruit Matt Flynn for at least another month.

His 2020 All-Australian forward Liam Ryan, his first round draft pick from 2022 Elijah Hewett and his 2018 grand final matchwinner Dom Sheed are others yet to play this year.

This is West Coast’s five year road to ruin, a path never before trodden by one of the AFL’s most powerful and successful clubs.

It will take it to a fourth September in a row without finals, a list that has the reputation of being the league worst by some margin. And if the opening three weeks of this season are anything to go on – the Eagles may not have hit rock bottom yet.

May 17 2019: West Coast’s Daniel Venables gets cleaned up in a frightening mid-air collision with Melbourne’s Tim Smith and teammate Nathan Vardy in a round 9 clash at Optus Stadium. Venables, pick 13 in the 2016 National Draft was 20 years old, had played 21 games including the 2018 grand final. He was expected to graduate into the midfield. He never played again.

September 12 2019: West Coast arrive in Melbourne for their semi final clash with Geelong and are told forward Willie Rioli has been charged with a doping infraction for tampering with a urine sample. Rioli is later found guilty of tampering with a sample twice. The 2018 Premiership star, 25 at the time is suspended for two years and misses all of the 2020 and 2021 seasons. He plays 13 games in West Coast’s Covid ravaged 2022 season and asks to be traded to Port Adelaide.

October 9 2019: West Coast clinches the trade deal to bring Tim Kelly back to Perth from Geelong. The Eagles gave up pick 14, a future first round (pick 18 in 2020), picks 24 and 37 for Kelly while they got pick 52 and a future third round pick in return. The draft index values the cost of Kelly as higher than pick two in the draft. WA products Mitch Georgiades, Trent Rivers and Chad Warner are available at the 2019 picks the Eagles give up but Kelly is traded in on a $800,000 a year six year deal to be the cream on the cake of a midfield that includes Elliot Yeo, Luke Shuey, Jack Redden, Andrew Gaff and star ruckman Nic Naitanui.

July 4 2020: The cake Kelly was recruited to be the cream on top of begins to collapse. Luke Shuey suffers a hamstring injury against Sydney in round five at Carrara. It will be the beginning of the end for the 2018 Norm Smith Medallist who was made captain at the end of the 2019 season. He will be plagued by hamstring and calf muscle concerns for the rest of his career and will play just 47 of 85 games between the start of 2020 and the end of 2023 before announcing his retirement.

July 19 2020: Defender Jeremy McGovern suffers a broken thumb in the round seven Western Derby win over Fremantle. He will miss five games and the injury will bother him for the rest of the season. It is the start of a run of various injuries for McGovern who suffers rib, hip, back and hamstring concerns over the coming seasons. McGovern will play just 46 of 85 games between the start of 2020 and the end of 2023.

August 9 2020: Elliot Yeo plays his last game of the season for the Eagles in round 11 against Carlton. Yeo has been battling Osteitis Pubis for most of the Covid interrupted season. The cake continues to crumble. Between the start of 2020 and the end of 2023 Yeo plays 37 of 85 games for the Eagles and is rarely fully fit in the games he does play.

Summer 2021-2022: Defender Brad Sheppard is forced into retirement due to concussion concerns at the age of 30 after 216 games. Sheppard, who missed the 2018 grand final with a torn hamstring, was a 2020 All-Australian, a 2019 All-Australian nominee and twice third in the Eagles best and fairest.

Summer 2022: Forward Oscar Allen suffers a foot injury leading into match practice for the 2022 season. He misses the entire year.

First round draft pick Campbell Chesser suffers a foot injury in the opening minutes of the first interclub practice match against Fremantle. He also misses the entire season. Grand final match winner Dom Sheed gets his ankle caught beneath him in the Fremantle practice match. He plays one game for the season.

2022: After the WA border shut down during the pandemic both West Australian clubs are vulnerable to Covid outbreaks. Fremantle manages to control the outbreaks within reason but the virus goes through West Coast like a hot knife through butter. By round two the Eagles are forced to play four players from AFL created Covid contingency top up lists to put a team on the park. They are forced to dig into the top up list once more before the season is over. At the end of the season no Eagle has played all games and only six have missed fewer than four matches. The Eagles, making at least half a dozen changes through either Covid or injury from match to match, win just two games and champion forward Josh Kennedy retires at season’s end.

2023: Ruck champion, two time best and fairest and three time All-Australian Nic Naitanui is sidelined with an achilles tendon problem before round one and does not play a game all season. The Eagles season falls apart in the round three western derby when five players: McGovern, Shuey, Jamie Cripps, Liam Ryan and Chesser all go down with injuries. Ryan has not played at AFL level since. McGovern plays only nine games while Yeo and Shuey play 10 each and Cripps plays 12 times. Premiership captain Shannon Hurn, successor Shuey and Naitanui all retire at the end of the season. The Eagles win only three games and win the club’s second wooden spoon.

2024: Sheed suffers a stress reaction in his foot and is yet to play a game. First round draft pick Elijah Hewett is diagnosed with sesamoiditis in both feet and is told he needs surgery in one foot. He will miss most of the season. Ruck recruit Matt Flynn and forward Ryan go down with significant pre-season hamstring injuries and are yet to play a game. Allen goes for scans after knee swelling following round one and is told he will miss eight to 10 weeks with significant bone bruising. The Eagles lose their first three matches by more than 50 points and go goalless for at least two quarters in round two against GWS and round three against the Western Bulldogs.
 
Convocation said:
You could call it football’s equivalent of a perfect storm. You could call it bad luck, bad management or a combination of both.

But whatever you choose to call it, West Coast’s Eagles plummet from a 2018 premiership to a 2023 wooden spoon and a start to 2024 so poor that sentiment is growing for them to get priority draft picks is an extraordinary tale of miscalculation, misadventure and misfortune.

There was the miscalculation of what they could gain from the trade to get Tim Kelly to the club and by way of extension what they could afford to pay for him.

There was the misadventure of Willie Rioli, a premiership star in 2018 but a Port Adelaide player by 2023 with a two year WADA drug infraction extension in between.

There was the misfortune of a frightening injury suffered by promising youngster Daniel Venables in 2019 which ended his career. And then there are the frustrating runs of injuries – the ones that eventually ended the careers of Luke Shuey, Brad Sheppard and Nic Naitanui and the ones that have severely limited the impacts of Elliot Yeo, Jeremy McGovern and Oscar Allen over the past four seasons.

West Coast have now won just five of the club’s last 52 games at a rate of less than a win every 10 games.

There was always a distracting reason to think it might not be as bad as it has now been revealed to be.

In 2022 it was Covid and a significant amount of injury that derailed them. In 2023 it was injury and it was probably injury only that provided sufficient mitigation factor to save coach Adam Simpson’s job, even though he has two years of a contract remaining.

Simpson told Fox Footy last week that he now had sufficient player availability for people to be able to legitimately judge him on his coaching.

It is a comment made against the perspective of the carnage of recent seasons because while Simpson now has up to a dozen players playing in the WAFL to put pressure on his AFL team – he is still without his co-captain Oscar Allen for two months and his ruck recruit Matt Flynn for at least another month.

His 2020 All-Australian forward Liam Ryan, his first round draft pick from 2022 Elijah Hewett and his 2018 grand final matchwinner Dom Sheed are others yet to play this year.

This is West Coast’s five year road to ruin, a path never before trodden by one of the AFL’s most powerful and successful clubs.

It will take it to a fourth September in a row without finals, a list that has the reputation of being the league worst by some margin. And if the opening three weeks of this season are anything to go on – the Eagles may not have hit rock bottom yet.

May 17 2019: West Coast’s Daniel Venables gets cleaned up in a frightening mid-air collision with Melbourne’s Tim Smith and teammate Nathan Vardy in a round 9 clash at Optus Stadium. Venables, pick 13 in the 2016 National Draft was 20 years old, had played 21 games including the 2018 grand final. He was expected to graduate into the midfield. He never played again.

September 12 2019: West Coast arrive in Melbourne for their semi final clash with Geelong and are told forward Willie Rioli has been charged with a doping infraction for tampering with a urine sample. Rioli is later found guilty of tampering with a sample twice. The 2018 Premiership star, 25 at the time is suspended for two years and misses all of the 2020 and 2021 seasons. He plays 13 games in West Coast’s Covid ravaged 2022 season and asks to be traded to Port Adelaide.

October 9 2019: West Coast clinches the trade deal to bring Tim Kelly back to Perth from Geelong. The Eagles gave up pick 14, a future first round (pick 18 in 2020), picks 24 and 37 for Kelly while they got pick 52 and a future third round pick in return. The draft index values the cost of Kelly as higher than pick two in the draft. WA products Mitch Georgiades, Trent Rivers and Chad Warner are available at the 2019 picks the Eagles give up but Kelly is traded in on a $800,000 a year six year deal to be the cream on the cake of a midfield that includes Elliot Yeo, Luke Shuey, Jack Redden, Andrew Gaff and star ruckman Nic Naitanui.

July 4 2020: The cake Kelly was recruited to be the cream on top of begins to collapse. Luke Shuey suffers a hamstring injury against Sydney in round five at Carrara. It will be the beginning of the end for the 2018 Norm Smith Medallist who was made captain at the end of the 2019 season. He will be plagued by hamstring and calf muscle concerns for the rest of his career and will play just 47 of 85 games between the start of 2020 and the end of 2023 before announcing his retirement.

July 19 2020: Defender Jeremy McGovern suffers a broken thumb in the round seven Western Derby win over Fremantle. He will miss five games and the injury will bother him for the rest of the season. It is the start of a run of various injuries for McGovern who suffers rib, hip, back and hamstring concerns over the coming seasons. McGovern will play just 46 of 85 games between the start of 2020 and the end of 2023.

August 9 2020: Elliot Yeo plays his last game of the season for the Eagles in round 11 against Carlton. Yeo has been battling Osteitis Pubis for most of the Covid interrupted season. The cake continues to crumble. Between the start of 2020 and the end of 2023 Yeo plays 37 of 85 games for the Eagles and is rarely fully fit in the games he does play.

Summer 2021-2022: Defender Brad Sheppard is forced into retirement due to concussion concerns at the age of 30 after 216 games. Sheppard, who missed the 2018 grand final with a torn hamstring, was a 2020 All-Australian, a 2019 All-Australian nominee and twice third in the Eagles best and fairest.

Summer 2022: Forward Oscar Allen suffers a foot injury leading into match practice for the 2022 season. He misses the entire year.

First round draft pick Campbell Chesser suffers a foot injury in the opening minutes of the first interclub practice match against Fremantle. He also misses the entire season. Grand final match winner Dom Sheed gets his ankle caught beneath him in the Fremantle practice match. He plays one game for the season.

2022: After the WA border shut down during the pandemic both West Australian clubs are vulnerable to Covid outbreaks. Fremantle manages to control the outbreaks within reason but the virus goes through West Coast like a hot knife through butter. By round two the Eagles are forced to play four players from AFL created Covid contingency top up lists to put a team on the park. They are forced to dig into the top up list once more before the season is over. At the end of the season no Eagle has played all games and only six have missed fewer than four matches. The Eagles, making at least half a dozen changes through either Covid or injury from match to match, win just two games and champion forward Josh Kennedy retires at season’s end.

2023: Ruck champion, two time best and fairest and three time All-Australian Nic Naitanui is sidelined with an achilles tendon problem before round one and does not play a game all season. The Eagles season falls apart in the round three western derby when five players: McGovern, Shuey, Jamie Cripps, Liam Ryan and Chesser all go down with injuries. Ryan has not played at AFL level since. McGovern plays only nine games while Yeo and Shuey play 10 each and Cripps plays 12 times. Premiership captain Shannon Hurn, successor Shuey and Naitanui all retire at the end of the season. The Eagles win only three games and win the club’s second wooden spoon.

2024: Sheed suffers a stress reaction in his foot and is yet to play a game. First round draft pick Elijah Hewett is diagnosed with sesamoiditis in both feet and is told he needs surgery in one foot. He will miss most of the season. Ruck recruit Matt Flynn and forward Ryan go down with significant pre-season hamstring injuries and are yet to play a game. Allen goes for scans after knee swelling following round one and is told he will miss eight to 10 weeks with significant bone bruising. The Eagles lose their first three matches by more than 50 points and go goalless for at least two quarters in round two against GWS and round three against the Western Bulldogs.
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Convocation said:
You could call it football’s equivalent of a perfect storm. You could call it bad luck, bad management or a combination of both.

But whatever you choose to call it, West Coast’s Eagles plummet from a 2018 premiership to a 2023 wooden spoon and a start to 2024 so poor that sentiment is growing for them to get priority draft picks is an extraordinary tale of miscalculation, misadventure and misfortune.

There was the miscalculation of what they could gain from the trade to get Tim Kelly to the club and by way of extension what they could afford to pay for him.

There was the misadventure of Willie Rioli, a premiership star in 2018 but a Port Adelaide player by 2023 with a two year WADA drug infraction extension in between.

There was the misfortune of a frightening injury suffered by promising youngster Daniel Venables in 2019 which ended his career. And then there are the frustrating runs of injuries – the ones that eventually ended the careers of Luke Shuey, Brad Sheppard and Nic Naitanui and the ones that have severely limited the impacts of Elliot Yeo, Jeremy McGovern and Oscar Allen over the past four seasons.

West Coast have now won just five of the club’s last 52 games at a rate of less than a win every 10 games.

There was always a distracting reason to think it might not be as bad as it has now been revealed to be.

In 2022 it was Covid and a significant amount of injury that derailed them. In 2023 it was injury and it was probably injury only that provided sufficient mitigation factor to save coach Adam Simpson’s job, even though he has two years of a contract remaining.

Simpson told Fox Footy last week that he now had sufficient player availability for people to be able to legitimately judge him on his coaching.

It is a comment made against the perspective of the carnage of recent seasons because while Simpson now has up to a dozen players playing in the WAFL to put pressure on his AFL team – he is still without his co-captain Oscar Allen for two months and his ruck recruit Matt Flynn for at least another month.

His 2020 All-Australian forward Liam Ryan, his first round draft pick from 2022 Elijah Hewett and his 2018 grand final matchwinner Dom Sheed are others yet to play this year.

This is West Coast’s five year road to ruin, a path never before trodden by one of the AFL’s most powerful and successful clubs.

It will take it to a fourth September in a row without finals, a list that has the reputation of being the league worst by some margin. And if the opening three weeks of this season are anything to go on – the Eagles may not have hit rock bottom yet.

May 17 2019: West Coast’s Daniel Venables gets cleaned up in a frightening mid-air collision with Melbourne’s Tim Smith and teammate Nathan Vardy in a round 9 clash at Optus Stadium. Venables, pick 13 in the 2016 National Draft was 20 years old, had played 21 games including the 2018 grand final. He was expected to graduate into the midfield. He never played again.

September 12 2019: West Coast arrive in Melbourne for their semi final clash with Geelong and are told forward Willie Rioli has been charged with a doping infraction for tampering with a urine sample. Rioli is later found guilty of tampering with a sample twice. The 2018 Premiership star, 25 at the time is suspended for two years and misses all of the 2020 and 2021 seasons. He plays 13 games in West Coast’s Covid ravaged 2022 season and asks to be traded to Port Adelaide.

October 9 2019: West Coast clinches the trade deal to bring Tim Kelly back to Perth from Geelong. The Eagles gave up pick 14, a future first round (pick 18 in 2020), picks 24 and 37 for Kelly while they got pick 52 and a future third round pick in return. The draft index values the cost of Kelly as higher than pick two in the draft. WA products Mitch Georgiades, Trent Rivers and Chad Warner are available at the 2019 picks the Eagles give up but Kelly is traded in on a $800,000 a year six year deal to be the cream on the cake of a midfield that includes Elliot Yeo, Luke Shuey, Jack Redden, Andrew Gaff and star ruckman Nic Naitanui.

July 4 2020: The cake Kelly was recruited to be the cream on top of begins to collapse. Luke Shuey suffers a hamstring injury against Sydney in round five at Carrara. It will be the beginning of the end for the 2018 Norm Smith Medallist who was made captain at the end of the 2019 season. He will be plagued by hamstring and calf muscle concerns for the rest of his career and will play just 47 of 85 games between the start of 2020 and the end of 2023 before announcing his retirement.

July 19 2020: Defender Jeremy McGovern suffers a broken thumb in the round seven Western Derby win over Fremantle. He will miss five games and the injury will bother him for the rest of the season. It is the start of a run of various injuries for McGovern who suffers rib, hip, back and hamstring concerns over the coming seasons. McGovern will play just 46 of 85 games between the start of 2020 and the end of 2023.

August 9 2020: Elliot Yeo plays his last game of the season for the Eagles in round 11 against Carlton. Yeo has been battling Osteitis Pubis for most of the Covid interrupted season. The cake continues to crumble. Between the start of 2020 and the end of 2023 Yeo plays 37 of 85 games for the Eagles and is rarely fully fit in the games he does play.

Summer 2021-2022: Defender Brad Sheppard is forced into retirement due to concussion concerns at the age of 30 after 216 games. Sheppard, who missed the 2018 grand final with a torn hamstring, was a 2020 All-Australian, a 2019 All-Australian nominee and twice third in the Eagles best and fairest.

Summer 2022: Forward Oscar Allen suffers a foot injury leading into match practice for the 2022 season. He misses the entire year.

First round draft pick Campbell Chesser suffers a foot injury in the opening minutes of the first interclub practice match against Fremantle. He also misses the entire season. Grand final match winner Dom Sheed gets his ankle caught beneath him in the Fremantle practice match. He plays one game for the season.

2022: After the WA border shut down during the pandemic both West Australian clubs are vulnerable to Covid outbreaks. Fremantle manages to control the outbreaks within reason but the virus goes through West Coast like a hot knife through butter. By round two the Eagles are forced to play four players from AFL created Covid contingency top up lists to put a team on the park. They are forced to dig into the top up list once more before the season is over. At the end of the season no Eagle has played all games and only six have missed fewer than four matches. The Eagles, making at least half a dozen changes through either Covid or injury from match to match, win just two games and champion forward Josh Kennedy retires at season’s end.

2023: Ruck champion, two time best and fairest and three time All-Australian Nic Naitanui is sidelined with an achilles tendon problem before round one and does not play a game all season. The Eagles season falls apart in the round three western derby when five players: McGovern, Shuey, Jamie Cripps, Liam Ryan and Chesser all go down with injuries. Ryan has not played at AFL level since. McGovern plays only nine games while Yeo and Shuey play 10 each and Cripps plays 12 times. Premiership captain Shannon Hurn, successor Shuey and Naitanui all retire at the end of the season. The Eagles win only three games and win the club’s second wooden spoon.

2024: Sheed suffers a stress reaction in his foot and is yet to play a game. First round draft pick Elijah Hewett is diagnosed with sesamoiditis in both feet and is told he needs surgery in one foot. He will miss most of the season. Ruck recruit Matt Flynn and forward Ryan go down with significant pre-season hamstring injuries and are yet to play a game. Allen goes for scans after knee swelling following round one and is told he will miss eight to 10 weeks with significant bone bruising. The Eagles lose their first three matches by more than 50 points and go goalless for at least two quarters in round two against GWS and round three against the Western Bulldogs.
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Pretty comprehensive and hard to argue with any of it.

I’d add a couple of entries
October 2018: We refuse to meet Geelong’s trade request for an in-contract Kelly, which reportedly involved multiple first round picks as well as 2017 pick 13 Jarrod Brander. Understandable at the time, especially since Geelong’s demands apparently kept going up and up. But doing the deal then would have had the benefit of getting an extra year of Kelly in his prime, and get us into the early rounds of the 2020 draft (where we ultimately came in at pick 49 and took Jamieson) at the expense of being in the early rounds of the 2018 draft (where we ended up with only Bailey Williams and other players who are no longer in the league).

July-ish 2020: The first Queensland hub, which we didn’t cope with well.
 
Miguel Sanchez said:
Pretty comprehensive and hard to argue with any of it.

I’d add a couple of entries
October 2018: We refuse to meet Geelong’s trade request for an in-contract Kelly, which reportedly involved multiple first round picks as well as 2017 pick 13 Jarrod Brander. Understandable at the time, especially since Geelong’s demands apparently kept going up and up. But doing the deal then would have had the benefit of getting an extra year of Kelly in his prime, and get us into the early rounds of the 2020 draft (where we ultimately came in at pick 49 and took Jamieson) at the expense of being in the early rounds of the 2018 draft (where we ended up with only Bailey Williams and other players who are no longer in the league).

July-ish 2020: The first Queensland hub, which we didn’t cope with well.
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Trading for TK the first year would have also used Brander as something of worth, instead of publicly chucking him on the scrap heap years later.
 
Pretty much covers it all and I would say any team who suffered so comprehensively and consistently to same level of players would find it pretty hard as well.
But hey, as a lot are saying, it's just an excuse. We can't keep using injuries as an excuse. It's our own fault for drafting poorly and doing the Kelly trade and playing old foggies instead of delisting and rebuilding and Simpson can't coach and we should get a better coach and our fitness is poor and and and.......done.
 
Miguel Sanchez said:
Pretty comprehensive and hard to argue with any of it.

I’d add a couple of entries
October 2018: We refuse to meet Geelong’s trade request for an in-contract Kelly, which reportedly involved multiple first round picks as well as 2017 pick 13 Jarrod Brander. Understandable at the time, especially since Geelong’s demands apparently kept going up and up. But doing the deal then would have had the benefit of getting an extra year of Kelly in his prime, and get us into the early rounds of the 2020 draft (where we ultimately came in at pick 49 and took Jamieson) at the expense of being in the early rounds of the 2018 draft (where we ended up with only Bailey Williams and other players who are no longer in the league).

July-ish 2020: The first Queensland hub, which we didn’t cope with well.
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Agree - would also add:

Ending the alignment with East Perth has been terrible for development (don’t think there’s been an example of a draftee being developed into a decent player since Oscar Allen)

A short sighted approach to injuries. We played a number of unfit players which hampered their recovery and made our injury crisis worse (Yeo, Shuey, Nic Nat, Gov, Sheed etc)


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Sam McLure is well….
“They had several opportunities in the trade period and the draft last year to create more picks for more kids to join Harley Reid.
They could have traded Eliot Yeo
They could of traded Barrass
They could of traded Darling
And yet they didn’t and now 3 weeks into the year we’ve got columns coming out saying the should be granted priority picks.
I am of a belief if your wounds are self inflicted to a large degree you shouldn’t just be bailed out by the AFL”

What would we have got for those 3 players Sam to bring in the talent you’re talking about.
All 3 were in Contract and wanted to stay.
Do you, the purveyor of truth and knowledge know what deals the eagles tried and failed to do as they’re wasn’t a buyer and or the didn’t want to have their pants pulled down.
How has this guy got a voice…

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Sam McLure is an opinionated piece of shit who loves his own voice and the smell of his own farts

I take no notice of a clown that couldn’t find a clue in a clue factory

Wouldn’t piss on him if he was on fire unless I suddenly developed an ability to piss kerosene
 
Miguel Sanchez said:
Pretty comprehensive and hard to argue with any of it.

I’d add a couple of entries
October 2018: We refuse to meet Geelong’s trade request for an in-contract Kelly, which reportedly involved multiple first round picks as well as 2017 pick 13 Jarrod Brander. Understandable at the time, especially since Geelong’s demands apparently kept going up and up. But doing the deal then would have had the benefit of getting an extra year of Kelly in his prime, and get us into the early rounds of the 2020 draft (where we ultimately came in at pick 49 and took Jamieson) at the expense of being in the early rounds of the 2018 draft (where we ended up with only Bailey Williams and other players who are no longer in the league).

July-ish 2020: The first Queensland hub, which we didn’t cope with well.
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It's been confirmed from multiple sources that Geelong was never accepting a trade for Kelly and they moved the goal posts at least once when we accepted an earlier offer. The only way that trade gets done is if we did something completely reckless and would probably have gone down as one of the worst AFL trades of all time.
 
I ain't gonna crap on the club for going after Kelly. We were a year removed from a Premiership, Kelly had just finished second in the Brownlow and everyone thought we had a couple more good years yet. The inability to keep 80% of our best 22 healthy is what cucked us in the end.

They should look at player development if anything. Has any player besides Oscar Allen even got any better since we drafted them?
 
Convocation said:
Sam McLure is well….
“They had several opportunities in the trade period and the draft last year to create more picks for more kids to join Harley Reid.
They could have traded Eliot Yeo
They could of traded Barrass
They could of traded Darling
And yet they didn’t and now 3 weeks into the year we’ve got columns coming out saying the should be granted priority picks.
I am of a belief if your wounds are self inflicted to a large degree you shouldn’t just be bailed out by the AFL”

What would we have got for those 3 players Sam to bring in the talent you’re talking about.
All 3 were in Contract and wanted to stay.
Do you, the purveyor of truth and knowledge know what deals the eagles tried and failed to do as they’re wasn’t a buyer and or the didn’t want to have their pants pulled down.
How has this guy got a voice…

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Miguel Sanchez said:
Pretty comprehensive and hard to argue with any of it.

I’d add a couple of entries
October 2018: We refuse to meet Geelong’s trade request for an in-contract Kelly, which reportedly involved multiple first round picks as well as 2017 pick 13 Jarrod Brander. Understandable at the time, especially since Geelong’s demands apparently kept going up and up. But doing the deal then would have had the benefit of getting an extra year of Kelly in his prime, and get us into the early rounds of the 2020 draft (where we ultimately came in at pick 49 and took Jamieson) at the expense of being in the early rounds of the 2018 draft (where we ended up with only Bailey Williams and other players who are no longer in the league).

July-ish 2020: The first Queensland hub, which we didn’t cope with well.
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Good points.

I could be wrong but I think it was reported a bit after that trade period that we actually agreed to Geelong's terms (I am unsure what they were exactly at the time) and were prepared to sign for Kelly, but that they increased their demands at the last minute, which were weren't prepared to entertain...?
 
Gerard Healy, Brad Johnson and the Korn discussing the eagles future and what we should do… don’t expect finals before 2028, no trading of picks, don’t target anyone 25 and over as they will be almost done when we are ready to contend..


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That is a very soft peddled and half assed summary from Duffield. He is basically regurgitating the now discredited Nisbett line of blaming everything on Covid and injuries. Some players got old, started getting injuries and then retired and we paid too much for Tim Kelly is basically Duffield's summary.

Even if we paid too much for Kelly that was just one year. If you step back and look the bigger picture our drafting and development success rate has been absolutely woeful for the last 10 years. The worst in the comp. Giving up one too many draft picks for Kelly pales in comparison to this as a reason for our demise.

He doesn't mention our failure to identify quality players even when they rained with us before being drafted such as Kelly and Nic Martin.

He doesn't mention our being unduly loyal to players and refusing to consider trading anybody out. Why have we been so loyal to guys like Gaff and Darling and others? It is not like they took massively less than the market rate when contract time came around. They all wanted top dollar on long term contracts. We should be more prepared to trade players out when it is in the club's interest.

He doesn't mention the unexplained obvious fitness gap that has existed between ourselves and the rest of the comp for many years now. And related to that the also obvious attitudinal malaise in the playing group, especially when it came to the highly paid senior players, where they didn't want to run both ways. They all became downhill skiers. And some of them, as pointed out by Bartel earlier this week, are still being downhill skiers and it is still being tolerated by Simpson.

Basically the club became complacent under Nisbett, stopped measuring results and output from it's departments, stopped striving for excellence, wasn't prepared to make hard decisions or accept trade offs (or believed it was an exception to the rules and didn't need to), settled for the status quo and believed it could just operate on cruise control, then put on a pair of rose coloured glasses so it didn't see the foundations of everything collapsing beneath them whilst the rest of the competition was laughing at our arrogance and delusional behaviour.
 
Goroyals22 said:
Gerard Healy, Brad Johnson and the Korn discussing the eagles future and what we should do… don’t expect finals before 2028, no trading of picks, don’t target anyone 25 and over as they will be almost done when we are ready to contend..


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Fine with 26yo free agents that come at no draft cost, we should be targeting them. Absolutely shouldn’t trade for players 25 and over I agree.
 
Rowan18 said:
It's been confirmed from multiple sources that Geelong was never accepting a trade for Kelly and they moved the goal posts at least once when we accepted an earlier offer. The only way that trade gets done is if we did something completely reckless and would probably have gone down as one of the worst AFL trades of all time.
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First of all they wanted Brander and a first round pick.
Then they wanted our first, second and Brander (less than quietly told them to **** off)
Then they wanted our First and 2 seconds for Kelly and 2 thirds (In principle agreement last night of trade period)
Then they wanted our first and 2 seconds for Kelly alone (We agreed with less than an hour to go)
They after final last hour agreement they wanted our First round pick, 2 seconds and Brander.

(There was somewhere in there where they had a 3 way deal that involved them getting 3 second round picks (two of ours), us getting a late second and our first heading somewhere as well)

Geelong were never giving up Kelly.
 

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