Mitch Brown (WCE) asks for trade to St Kilda

[ziad]

Glass houses is a phrase you should look up.

more finals than any club since 1990, now thats culture for you

 

[Jack_the_Ninja]

It has to be pick 13 or forget it, one year of him being a backup to niggling injuries in our backline is all we need from him. Its worth throwing him into the draft for the wolves in 2013 just so we don't lose backline depth next year as with a fit LeCras and Nicoski we are in premiership mode.

 

[zero]

ok, presumably you mean Jason Baldwin​

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a guy whose career was basically over, who held no trade currency, whose club folded underneath him and he then had a stellar 2-game career at richmond?​

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is that your best example is it? is that the closest thing you can come up with in modern era​

wow the eagles will be shaking in their boots at this devastating precedent. we better get what we can for mitch after all

 

[felsty]

Pickering should concentrate on the Saints making a decent offer to WC instead of slamming us.

He can cry to the media as much as he wants but if he was stupid enough to pass on an offer without thinking what it would cost then he has done Brown no favours.

Pathetic player managing.

perhaps the problem is west coast then and not st.kilda, otherwise he would be on the media saying that st.kilda need to offer up something better than what they already have? perhaps he even thinks what st.kilda is offering is a pretty good deal in the circumstances??

seems this whole thing is completely one way, which the eagles rightfully are allowed to do having him contracted, but its easy to see here that the team not budging or negotiating is eagles. they are the ones who havent come to the table to help out one of their own.

another thing shitting me is the fact that there is an overwhelming knowledge that glass will retire next year and then mitch will get game time? you cant tell me that glass wil retire if the eagles lose a prelim by the barest of margins or lose by a kick in the grand final. he would most definitely play on! he would be mad not to..

and those who are saying he is good back up and that someone might get a season ending injury and allow mitch to play, but i doubt that would satisfy him as STILL being the back up.

If eagles dont come to the party I can see them losing mitch for practically nothing at the end of next season, especially if they continue to treat him the way they have

 

[iameviljez]

Apparently our own Mitch Brown (Geelong) has asked for a trade as well. CAN SOMEONE PLEASE MAKE THIS HAPPEN! Mitch Brown has been traded for Mitch Brown, keep their jumper numbers, wouldn't even have to repaint the locker or change his name in the Record.

 

[The Finger]

more finals than any club since 1990, now thats culture for you

Yeah the Eagles culture is something every footballing parent should be proud of.

 

[pantskyle]

perhaps the problem is west coast then and not st.kilda, otherwise he would be on the media saying that st.kilda need to offer up something better than what they already have? perhaps he even thinks what st.kilda is offering is a pretty good deal in the circumstances??

seems this whole thing is completely one way, which the eagles rightfully are allowed to do having him contracted, but its easy to see here that the team not budging or negotiating is eagles. they are the ones who havent come to the table to help out one of their own.

another thing shitting me is the fact that there is an overwhelming knowledge that glass will retire next year and then mitch will get game time? you cant tell me that glass wil retire if the eagles lose a prelim by the barest of margins or lose by a kick in the grand final. he would most definitely play on! he would be mad not to..

and those who are saying he is good back up and that someone might get a season ending injury and allow mitch to play, but i doubt that would satisfy him as STILL being the back up.

If eagles dont come to the party I can see them losing mitch for practically nothing at the end of next season, especially if they continue to treat him the way they have

I thought Glass had already announced next year would be his last.

We don't need to come to the table. It's up to the Saints to try and get us to it.

It's not up to Pickering to dictate what is a fair or unfair deal between clubs. His job is to get a good contract.

Until we can actually sit down with Mitch and have a chat all this speculation is useless.

 

[zero]

If eagles dont come to the party I can see them losing mitch for practically nothing at the end of next season, especially if they continue to treat him the way they have

as has been shown, thats hugely unlikely. its a saint kilda supporter fantasy

if he stays, chances are we will get another good year from him and get the same thing on offer in trade we are getting offered this year

 

[felsty]

as has been shown, thats hugely unlikely. its a saint kilda supporter fantasy

if he stays, chances are we will get another good year from him and get the same thing on offer in trade we are getting offered this year

doubtful.

he will be uncontracted and we all know that any player who nominates for the PSD and nominates the club he wants to go to will get him (Ball to Collingwood?)

you will grab anything for him in the last hour of trade week. presumably pick #78

 

[Atomboy]

It has to be pick 13 or forget it, one year of him being a backup to niggling injuries in our backline is all we need from him. Its worth throwing him into the draft for the wolves in 2013 just so we don't lose backline depth next year as with a fit LeCras and Nicoski we are in premiership mode.

No-where near worth that. Prefer we keep playing a guy like Simpkin who is roughly the standard of Brown and keep developing our own young-uns.

Brown is better off staying with the Eagles for another year and then re-assessing at the end of next year.

 

[pantskyle]

doubtful.

he will be uncontracted and we all know that any player who nominates for the PSD and nominates the club he wants to go to will get him (Ball to Collingwood?)

you will grab anything for him in the last hour of trade week. presumably pick #78

We'd rather let him walk.

If next season he feels the same way then almost all Vic clubs will be interested. So the chances of us not getting a decent pick is low.

 

[zero]

doubtful.

he will be uncontracted and we all know that any player who nominates for the PSD and nominates the club he wants to go to will get him (Ball to Collingwood?)

you will grab anything for him in the last hour of trade week. presumably pick #78

more fantasy. those sort of situations are very rare. whats most likely to happen is the saints wont offer anything to make the eagles come to the table, and he will stay another year. assuming his stocks dont rise from a great year on the field, then he will either go as a restricted free agent and we will get a second round compo pick, or we will trade him for a second rounder. this is most likely to happen because that is his uncontracted value

and ball didnt go through the PSD. do you even know what the system is or what you are talking about? because you seem to be struggling with details.

 

[zero]

No-where near worth that. Prefer we keep playing a guy like Simpkin who is roughly the standard of Brown and keep developing our own young-uns.

Brown is better off staying with the Eagles for another year and then re-assessing at the end of next year.

it will most likely be better for the saints, as well.

if the saints are still keen on brown next year (which is no guarantee) then they would be better off trading for him when the eagles are obliged to come to the table

 

[kane249]

he will be uncontracted and we all know that any player who nominates for the PSD and nominates the club he wants to go to will get him (Ball to Collingwood?)

you will grab anything for him in the last hour of trade week. presumably pick #78

As pointed out Ball went in the National draft and not the pre-season draft. Every club had the chance to draft him but chose not to. If however a player nominated for the PSD and says I only want to go to X club that's draft tampering and the AFL comes down on them like a tonne of bricks. The only way to do it is to put a huge price tag on your head and hope none of the clubs above your preferred club is able to match your wage demands otherwise you are going there instead of your preferred destination.

Pick 78 is you living in a fantasy land if you think anything remotely like that will happen.

 

[HFF]

Some ludicrous suggestions onhere by WCE fans demanding pck 13 for a player who has been told he is not in the best 22 and is 4th in line for a spot as a KPP.

He is worth nowhere near pick 13- contracted or not.

If Eagles coaching staff have told him he won't get games ahead of those in the current side, why don't they just grant his request of a release for a reasonable deal and let him seek better opportunities for regular football elsewhere? It's not as if Brown has any malice in his decision to seek a trade.

He has been told he is a depth player, he wants to play senior footy and someone out there is prepared to give it to him, so why hold him back?

Doesn't sound right to me.

 

[ziad]

its pretty clear saints are not in a position to trade. They do not know what they are getting for goddard and are yet to own that poick what ever it is.

When they own something that can look at a trade. what they own at the moment isnt tradable for brown. their excitement to ofload cripps is unfortunate. he has asked to go to WC but AFL clubs are not charities, WC need to have a need for him before they can offer for cripps. no need = no offer

what is most unsavoury is the manner in which an offer has been made to a contracted player. saints and lyon seem to share a moral code.

this compares starkly with the early agreement reached between WC and the Pies, and the behaviour that led to that agreement.

 

[Two Eyes]

If only the wishes of all the Saints supporters actually had an impact on reality. Mitch aint going anywhere except if a pretty damn good trade is put onto the table.

I laugh at people who are actually quoting the player manager in support of their low ball valuations of Mitch Brown. Of course Pickering is going to low ball! He wants to look good for his client. I recall Wellingham's manager said Sharrod was worth a 2nd or 3rd rounder. What did he go for? And wasn't he uncontracted?

Shows to me the Eagles are pretty realistic traders, able to even pay a bit overs where the situation requires. Of course that move was one which strengthened the list. The Mitch Brown trade weakens it and they are behaving accordingly.

Bringing up Luke Ball doesn't prove much at all. It was a pretty much a unique occurrence and lead directly to FA being introduced. Also, Luke Ball's manager was Paul Connor's who is practically machiavellian in how he can orchestrate deals. 'Pickers' is not in that ballpark.

 

[Jack_the_Ninja]

Shows to me the Eagles are pretty realistic traders, able to even pay a bit overs where the situation requires. Of course that move was one which strengthened the list. The Mitch Brown trade weakens it and they are behaving accordingly.

Exactly this, its not like Mitch wont get to play at all next year as I'm confident if he stays Worsfold will show him some faith - players like McKenzie and Schofield are a tad injury prone as is Waters and Butler.

 

[BEEG]

Brown is a hard one when it comes to his worth i would be expecting something like the Wellingham deal

Pick 16-22 should do the job

 

[zero]

Some ludicrous suggestions onhere by WCE fans demanding pck 13 for a player who has been told he is not in the best 22 and is 4th in line for a spot as a KPP.

He is worth nowhere near pick 13- contracted or not.

If Eagles coaching staff have told him he won't get games ahead of those in the current side, why don't they just grant his request of a release for a reasonable deal and let him seek better opportunities for regular football elsewhere? It's not as if Brown has any malice in his decision to seek a trade.

He has been told he is a depth player, he wants to play senior footy and someone out there is prepared to give it to him, so why hold him back?

because he is important to the team, as a backup and also as the next player in line to step into the best 22 when glass retires. hes a decent AFL quality KPD.


why should the eagles give that up a for a second rounder? how does it help us to swap a guy who is capable of playing on good AFL forwards for a raw kid from the second round?

as i say, this trade makes no sense for the eagles to even contemplate, which is why they arent, and im guessing that will continue till after the trade period is over.

 

[zero]

what is most unsavoury is the manner in which an offer has been made to a contracted player. saints and lyon seem to share a moral code.

nah, there is nothing at all underhanded about it. they saw that he was outside the eagles 22, they approached his manager and offered him more money and better gametime, the manager and player agreed it was a better deal, now they are trying to get a trade done

judging by the contract movements of his girlfriend, id suggest they didnt talk to pickers and brown till very recently, ie after the season finished

the saints have been above board and professional through this whole approach

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Some ludicrous suggestions onhere by WCE fans demanding pck 13 for a player who has been told he is not in the best 22 and is 4th in line for a spot as a KPP.

He is worth nowhere near pick 13- contracted or not.

If Eagles coaching staff have told him he won't get games ahead of those in the current side, why don't they just grant his request of a release for a reasonable deal and let him seek better opportunities for regular football elsewhere? It's not as if Brown has any malice in his decision to seek a trade.

He has been told he is a depth player, he wants to play senior footy and someone out there is prepared to give it to him, so why hold him back?

Doesn't sound right to me.

No malice in holding onto him either.
He's been on Holiday, his agent broke the news that he was requesting a trade, this was after Brown left the country. Brown never signalled his intentions in his end of season review and was described as a required player, who had no intention of leaving by Nisbett just weeks before he requested the trade.

That's not malice, but we would be incompetent of Westcoast to trade him without speaking directly too him.

What is Nathan Brown worth FWIW?

 

[kaiserchief13]

What about this trade

St Kilda give: Cripps, 2nd round pick
St Kilda get: Brown, 3rd round pick

Essendon give: Hooker, 3rd round pick
Essendon get: Stevens, 2nd round pick

West Coast give: Brown, Stevens
West Coast get: Cripps, Hooker

 

[eaglespremiers]

What about this trade

St Kilda give: Cripps, 2nd round pick
St Kilda get: Brown, 3rd round pick

Essendon give: Hooker, 3rd round pick
Essendon get: Stevens, 2nd round pick

West Coast give: Brown, Stevens
West Coast get: Cripps, Hooker

Fine by me.
Don't let EasternHills see it though.
Apparently Hooker is a "horrible" player.
I would rate Hooker quite a bit higher than Brown, but he is contracted and has not indicated he wants to come home.

 

[Axcellence]

If you read each page on it's own in this thread it would be exactly the same.

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