Traded Mitch McGovern [traded to Carlton in a three-way trade involving Sydney and McAdam]

[pinot]

What happens if Sydney dont want to swap picks what is Carlton's plan b?

Lots of clubs are interested in McAdam - heard Geelong want him... we will bunch 2nd round pick + McAdam to get mid first rounder.

 

[Drewie11]

I included that to show that it is not unders. It is a good pick which recognises the worth of a contract.

Sorry, makes sense. These seems like the best solution to all. The only spanned in the works is Sydney and Saints with Hannabery

 

[Jbudds]

Well sure, if any player can’t leave when they want to then the professional thing is to get on with it, I agree with you.

Unfortunately, in the real world when someone is unhappy in their workplace then it’s not the best situation in which to get the most out of the worker, do you agree?

In certain circumstances I agree absolutely. In a workplace an unhappy person just leaves. Or does something that means they are fired. Or if they are really valuable to the organisation, an agreement is reached (more money, flexible working, restructure) and that person may decide to stay.

This is a different kind of workforce and if McGov doesn't put in etc, he will damage his brand considerably and missing potentially two years of football may well end his career.

So if a deal can't be done with Carlton, his next best option is somewhere else, which brings in competition. So there is a fair bit to play out before we even get to retaining him.

I will fully acknowledge that retaining him is our worst option, but he has an incentive to be professional and try again next year. But this is not a binary equation as he is not a free agent and it doesn't matter which club he nominates.

It's a pretty similar situation to Lever (and he was not contracted), a good deal was done on that. And personally, I rate McGov higher than Lever because defenders are easier to replace (Doodee replaced Lever for us and was runner up in the Rising Star).

 

[pinot]

In certain circumstances I agree absolutely. In a workplace an unhappy person just leaves. Or does something that means they are fired. Or if they are really valuable to the organisation, an agreement is reached (more money, flexible working, restructure) and that person may decide to stay.

This is a different kind of workforce and if McGov doesn't put in etc, he will damage his brand considerably and missing potentially two years of football may well end his career.

So if a deal can't be done with Carlton, his next best option is somewhere else, which brings in competition. So there is a fair bit to play out before we even get to retaining him.

I will fully acknowledge that retaining him is our worst option, but he has an incentive to be professional and try again next year. But this is not a binary equation as he is not a free agent and it doesn't matter which club he nominates.

It's a pretty similar situation to Lever (and he was not contracted), a good deal was done on that. And personally, I rate McGov higher than Lever because defenders are easier to replace (Doodee replaced Lever for us and was runner up in the Rising Star).

Players are covered by players association and have more rights than the workforce. They are effectively backed by an army of lawyers paid by the AFL this is a fact.

 

[Jbudds]

Players are covered by players association and have more rights than the workforce. They are effectively backed by an army of lawyers paid by the AFL this is a fact.

There is a players association and there is an army of lawyers. This is very factual.

Just not relevant.

 

[carlton2dabone]

In certain circumstances I agree absolutely. In a workplace an unhappy person just leaves. Or does something that means they are fired. Or if they are really valuable to the organisation, an agreement is reached (more money, flexible working, restructure) and that person may decide to stay.

This is a different kind of workforce and if McGov doesn't put in etc, he will damage his brand considerably and missing potentially two years of football may well end his career.

So if a deal can't be done with Carlton, his next best option is somewhere else, which brings in competition. So there is a fair bit to play out before we even get to retaining him.

I will fully acknowledge that retaining him is our worst option, but he has an incentive to be professional and try again next year. But this is not a binary equation as he is not a free agent and it doesn't matter which club he nominates.

It's a pretty similar situation to Lever (and he was not contracted), a good deal was done on that. And personally, I rate McGov higher than Lever because defenders are easier to replace (Doodee replaced Lever for us and was runner up in the Rising Star).

As a Carlton supporter, my highest priority for trades this year is midfielders.
Obviously if a trade can be worked out for McGovern as well then I’d take him, but we don’t have much left to offer, So if what we have left isn’t good enough for Adelaide to accept then it doesn’t matter to me if mcgovern stays at Adelaide or goes elsewhere.

After all, we can’t offer what we don’t have

 

[marty36]

We don’t have many picks we can offer up, only pick 24 and 25 this year because our first pick is definitely off limits.

If sos can convince another team to trade their mid teens pick for our 2 second rounders then we can keep Adelaide happy, but if that doesn’t happen then Adelaide will have to accept our 2 second rounders themselves, or a combination of a state league player combined with either one of second round picks.
Or refuse and we go our separate ways, cause we have nothing else to offer up lol

Like I said the AFC have publicly declared their limits I'm sure carlton know 24 and 25 wont get the deal done but Gov has declared he wants carlton

Obviously SOS has an ability to either swap the number 1 pick for two firsts or something like that involving other clubs or players

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[Jbudds]

As a Carlton supporter, my highest priority for trades this year is midfielders.
Obviously if a trade can be worked out for McGovern as well then I’d take him, but we don’t have much left to offer, So if what we have left isn’t good enough for Adelaide to accept then it doesn’t matter to me if mcgovern stays at Adelaide or goes elsewhere.

After all, we can’t offer what we don’t have

Well that's not necessarily true. Who knows what the deal might look like. And he doesn't have to go to Carlton.

 

[pinot]

Well that's not necessarily true. Who knows what the deal might look like. And he doesn't have to go to Carlton.

He has nominated Carlton and had his medical no other club will be interested in him now.

 

[carlton2dabone]

Like I said the AFC have publicly declared their limits I'm sure carlton know 24 and 25 wont get the deal done but Gov has declared he wants carlton

Obviously SOS has an ability to either swap the number 1 pick for two firsts or something like that involving other clubs or players

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Yeah nah, ever gonna happen.
Good try though

 

[Bearded Clam]

Stringer had mental health issues surrounding gambling and depression. He had lost form from his brilliant year and was a little bit unfit. Completely different.


So? McGovern is a known quality and has done an apprenticeship at a club that should have won the flag last year. He's also had to work through a tough mental year. Assuming his body holds up you have a very good player on your hand. He also is a great fit for Curnow. Curnow will be at his best when he can combine his competitiveness with running, so have a more stay at home KPF will see him do that.

You will also see Weitering settle into the backline and you have a great set of young KPDs.

Cripps is perhaps the best young contested-ball player in the league, I should know because it is a weakness at my club. Combine him with a beast who can assist him there AND provide some breakaway speed from the stoppage then you have the core of a very good midfield.

Your last rebuild, where you went for the icing on the cake style players first, this time you have got the key players sorted first. It sets up the team better for longer. You can then go about cycling through picks and speculative trades for role players and outside runners.

Back to the point of Sam Walsh compared with McGovern. Do you really think a KPF will develop as well as they can in a team that is as shite as Carlton is now? People love to get stuck into clubs like Melbourne and Carlton for wasting early draft picks. However, they nearly always took what most experts agreed would be the way to go. I would suggest that it wasn't the picking of players, it was attempting to develop players who are almost too good for VFL in their first season in a team that is as resilient as a boiled lettuce leaf.

Carlton needs to get much better now. Sacrificing a player like Walsh to get Shiel and McGovern in means you will better develop the players you have now. You have the cap space and high-end draft picks that can be turned into two very good mature but still young players. It is not like Carlton will improve out of sight that they won't have a top 10 pick again next year. However, they will be much more competitive in each game and should hope to win more than 5 or 6 games. This will also see you become even more attractive to other players looking to move clubs. If you massively front end all your big contracts then you'll have room for a FA next year and the year after. In the draft, you'll be looking to add dime a dozen type players.

Sure hoard your first draft pick and don't take a risk. In the end, you'll just look like Gollum in a cave with the picks never developing into what they could be. This is damaging to your club and the long-term prospects of these kids.

No use trying to talk sense to some of this lot.. it’s got to the point now with some of them that if they don’t have early first round draft picks then there’s nothing else left worth supporting their club for!..

 

[Jbudds]

He has nominated Carlton and had his medical no other club will be interested in him now.

I cannot think of a reason why they wouldn't.

 

[pinot]

I cannot think of a reason why they wouldn't.

Only four clubs were interested in Mitch to begin with - you are making out there is a smorgasboard of interest but realities are different and can definitely see you guys shooting yourselves on the foot again. Just don't blame us being unfair when you do, or go crying to the media as you have in the past as thats embarassing.

 

[sherrif]

I cannot think of a reason why they wouldn't.

Unless they think he is asking for too much money. Which I think is highly possible, if not certain. If Hawthorn goes all out for Wingard there is no way they could make a trade. Who else would be interested? Seriously, I can't see many suitors on the horizon.

 

[Peel67skin]

I cannot think of a reason why they wouldn't.

Other club had No time for this crap better concentrate on other deal .

 

[marty36]

Yeah nah, ever gonna happen.
Good try though

Well until the CFC declare anything we will just have to accept what the AFC are saying

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[carlton2dabone]

No use trying to talk sense to some of this lot.. it’s got to the point now with some of them that if they don’t have early first round draft picks then there’s nothing else left worth supporting their club for!..

Mate it’s simple, our first pick is off limits, period. We won’t be using that on anything but the top midfielder in the draft.

That’s leaves just our 24 and 25 picks and a state player.

So we see what deals we can work out with other clubs using the above to get you what you ask for, but if we find no takers then we have nothing to else to offer you and either you keep mochivern or accept a combination of what we have left.

But one thing is for certain, our priority is midfielders, we won’t be sacrificing getting midfielders to keep Adelaide happy when it comes to McGovern

 

[Bearded Clam]

He finally got on the park & played 2 decent games, lets not get carried away.

Yep... and I’d pick him in any side before I picked atleast 18 of the players from Carlton’s best 22...

 

[marty36]

Mate it’s simple, our first pick is off limits, period. We won’t be using that on anything but the top midfielder in the draft.

That’s leaves just our 24 and 25 picks and a state player.

So we see what deals we can work out with other clubs using the above to get you what you ask for, but if we find no takers then we have nothing to else to offer you and either you keep mochivern or accept a combination of what we have left.

But one thing is for certain, our priority is midfielders, we won’t be sacrificing getting midfielders to keep Adelaide happy when it comes to McGovern

Have a feeling the commitment to Gov is far more than let's see if we can bring something together

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[carlton2dabone]

Have a feeling the commitment to Gov is far more than let's see if we can bring something together

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I’d say it’s the same kind of commitment Adelaide had to Gibbs last year.

And we saw how Gibbs didn’t hold it against Adelaide a year later.

 

[Jbudds]

Unless they think he is asking for too much money. Which I think is highly possible, if not certain. If Hawthorn goes all out for Wingard there is no way they could make a trade. Who else would be interested? Seriously, I can't see many suitors on the horizon.

Honestly, I haven't done any thinking on it. I could see him strengthening St Kilda? WB, Essendon, Hawthorn or North Melbourne. But I don't know there situations.

 

[Crowmurder]

Yes he was. He said it himself - he would only move if a trade could be facilitated or else he would have been happy to stay he said it on video for christ sakes. Crows supporters I am seriously starting to think your water supply is contaminated with high radioactive levels.

Simply towing the company line. And acting as the professional he is. 100% wanted out and home to Adelaide. Fact, straight from his best mates mouth.

 

[marty36]

I’d say it’s the same kind of commitment Adelaide had to Gibbs last year.

And we saw how Gibbs didn’t hold it against Adelaide a year later.

Maybe I suppose SOS's comment that the AFC needed to pay overs for Gibbs because he was contracted for another 2 years came into play with SOS

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[Jbudds]

Only four clubs were interested in Mitch to begin with - you are making out there is a smorgasboard of interest but realities are different and can definitely see you guys shooting yourselves on the foot again. Just don't blame us being unfair when you do, or go crying to the media as you have in the past as thats embarassing.

Many thanks for the advice.

 

[Peel67skin]

Many thanks for the advice.

You are welcome .