Traded Mitch McGovern [traded to Carlton in a three-way trade involving Sydney and McAdam]

[foodles05]

Dogs wanted Stringer out... whereas Crows have said they are happy for Gov to stay if a deal can't be done. Pyke & Gov still get on fine.

Do you honestly think they will be and that is just crap because the Dogs hierarchy said exactly the same thing about Stringer. If you recall Chris Grant said if we don't get bla bla we are happy for him to play for us next year.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Do you honestly think they will be and that is just crap because the Dogs hierarchy said exactly the same thing about Stringer. If you recall Chris Grant said if we don't get bla bla we are happy for him to play for us next year.

McGovern's situation is nothing like Stringer's! Crows are not forcing him out.

 

[Bicks]

What has that got to do with the point I made. All of those issues were well understood when the dogs made the comments. However, I hope it makes you feel better to believe Roo and feel like it makes what he says a guarantee. I honestly do but it would be very naive of you. Just because you want something to be the case doesnt make it so.

Do you seriously think that there is any scenario where McGovern plays for the crows next year? Seriously?

I have serious doubts but Stringer is a seriously bad comparison. Not only did Stringer have the well known off field issues he had a heap of the senior players off side, none of which is the case with McGovern.

 

[sherrif]

Roo is the director in charge of Football Operations, so he has more idea about the Crows expectations than you or any other Carlton supporters thinking a 2nd rounder will do...

In fairness at this point of the 2018 trade period it wouldn't matter if it was the coach, the football manager and every player was saying they won't trade Mitch for less than a top ten pick. The idea of trade period is to start high and move from there. If Riciouto does have a big say in trade discussions and he is saying we won't accept less than top ten pick at this point in time then you can guarantee the Crows would trade Mitch for a pick 13 if offered. Followed trade week closely for a long time and you can bet on day 1 of player trading most interviews of football managers consists of phrases like' they are a long way off what we would accept'.

Trades only happen when teams compromise on what they say require from the start of the trade period. It would be stupid for Adelaide to say the pick they would accept for Mitch as Carlton would then offer a slightly lower pick as that how trading has always worked. Adelaide needs to publicly say a pick above the pick they would accept until the real negotiations start. Cam McCarthy is the only contracted player in recent memory that I can remember who publicly stated a strong desire to change clubs. The comments by Mitch mean it would be a change in the way business was conducted over a long period of time for him not to get to his destination club.

 

[sherrif]

I have serious doubts but Stringer is a seriously bad comparison. Not only did Stringer have the well known off field issues he had a heap of the senior players off side, none of which is the case with McGovern.

It is actually more like the Cam McCarthy including having a player manager who seems to be campaigning to make it difficult for his player to not get traded.

 

[foodles05]

McGovern's situation is nothing like Stringer's! Crows are not forcing him out.

You seem to have a terrible memory or just don't understand what happened in the Stringer situation. Dogs offered him up and publicly stated they would be happy to keep him if that couldnt get what they wanted in a trade. Now either you take what they said at face value or you disbelieve them but if that is the case then you can't blindly believe the crows saying the same thing!

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

You seem to have a terrible memory or just don't understand what happened in the Stringer situation. Dogs offered him up and publicly stated they would be happy to keep him if that couldnt get what they wanted in a trade. Now either you take what they said at face value or you disbelieve them but if that is the case then you can't blindly believe the crows saying the same thing!

Stringer & Beveridge had an untenable relationship, thanks to Stringer's indiscretions... such that he had been dropped to the 2's.

Nothing like Gov & the Crows. Gov is one of Pyke's favourite players.

But keep going as your story is most amusing...

 

[foodles05]

Stringer & Beveridge had an untenable relationship, thanks to Stringer's indiscretions... such that he had been dropped to the 2's.

Nothing like Gov & the Crows. Gov is one of Pyke's favourite players.

But keep going as your story is most amusing...

Where is your proof of this untenable relationship and if you say it was well known then you have immediately lost the argument

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Where is your proof of this untenable relationship and if you say it was well known then you have immediately lost the argument

Lol, you are hilarious. Ok Beveridge & Stringer had an awesome relationship & Stringer enjoyed playing in the seconds... Which has nothing to do with this topic.

 

[carlton2dabone]

who says we are not asking hard questions, however since that period of time, 17 players who all were part of the preseason have decided to extend their contracts. Now you don't play there and I suspect have absolutely no involvement with the club whatsoever so who are we to believe then about the club's culture..you and some other BF posters that have no connection (or idea) about the crows apart from the contradictory reports in the media or the 17 players that signed contract extensions that are there day to day. Unfortunately in this case (for you), the answer is quite a simple one...the 17 players

And a big chunk of Essendon players resigned or extended their contracts with EFC after the drugs scandal. What does that mean, that just like you are saying with Adelaide, that EFC did nothing wrong if their players resigned? Lol

 

[foodles05]

Lol, you are hilarious. Ok Beveridge & Stringer had an awesome relationship & Stringer enjoyed playing in the seconds... Which has nothing to do with this topic.

Exactly no answer and so you resort to taunts and claiming it is the case because well it just it ok

 

[TeeJay Blue]

FFS CROWS FANS, WE KNOW!!!

We know his contracted for 2 years. We know Adelaide hold the advantages here.

But don't go acting like you have any knowledge of the inner sanctum. Don't say that there is a healthy relationship between Mitch and the club, because we all well and truly know that can't be the case. Something must have changed during these 12 months to have seen Gov wanting out and wanting further away from home.

Now before you go on saying it's 'money', think again. Us Carlton fans don't bloody know either. But the clearest of word having come out being that if it was money Gov's after, then he would've moved home on bigger dollars last year. Why would he all of a sudden be money-hungry now? There's clearly more to it than we all think.

We all can only attempt to join the dots. And my attempt says that Adelaide have clearly done something wrong to disappoint him. He has requested a trade, FACT. Further from home, FACT. To the bottom of the ladder club, FACT.

Funny how Carlton were scrutinised for demanding for overs, when Gibbs was 1) One of Carlton's only valuable assets at the time and 2) One of the club's most highly respected men. To the few who had said here that he was disappointed in Carlton for not trading him at first: You couldn't be anymore wrong. Even you supporters have witness how freaking professional this guy speaks. Probably one of the more level-headed players out there at the moment. Throughout last year, Gibbs has stated that and he performed no worse in 2017 than he did in any other season with the club. And even at Adelaide I've heard him mention how much Carlton have meant for him.

Did SOS say no to trading Gibbs? NO!!! He simply put a very high price on him because Carlton saw how he important he was. He meant more to Carlton than Adelaide. Simple as that. SOS should be applauded for doing this, because right now people are having a F***ing go at Carlton for simply having traded him. Morons like Kane Cornes were spitting on him at first for having not traded him for anything less than what was demanded. If SOS was an arseh*le, he would have denied Gibbs' request altogether. Gibbs would've well and truly known how high he was valued by his Carlton family. The only thing he would've been upset with, was the trade not going through. That ain't our fault, that's Adelaide's.

If any crows supporter out there was whinging about SOS's approach yet considered the decision to trade Gibbs as a reason for Carlton not deserving a priority pick, then you need a freaking lobotomy. There is no way in hell you can have both. (Didn't get a PP anyway).

Now back to the Gov situation. I mean sure crows fans, look at it in black and white. Look at it like the brain-dead media. 'Wah, wah! He is contracted so pay overs'. But just remember this. The line will be drawn somewhere. Any step over it will surely ruin the reputation of your club, especially after all the negative attention it has received throughout this year. Players may not consider coming to your club. Further players may want out moving forward.

Now I don't know much about M.McGovern compared to most other players in the league. And I honestly don't know how he will act if a trade isn't facilitated. But I've seen bits and pieces of his game to know that I don't rate him very highly. I personally see more excitement from C.Curnow and McKay. SOS however rates him, and was believed to have eyes on him for quite some time. Based on output I only have Mitch around an early to mid second-round pick. But I'd be willing to give up 24 and first dibs on a player like McAdam (a small and speedy mature-aged SA forward, who I believe is both a need and will play well for Adelaide moving forward. Especially given the ageing Betts and no more Cameron). If anything more was demanded, then I'd probably will leave that trade deal to last. If still a fail, then Adelaide will have given themselves a lot of work to do.

Keep saying 'pay up or he stays', but don't pretend to not consider the circumstances of McGovern's request. They're not what you expect them to be. Whether it was the camp, the contract or something else, he has changed his mind after less than twelve months. This is the trade that could potentially put the club's image on the line.

Despite what you, I, SOS or what anybody else thinks. Carlton will certainly not go out losers here. Blues had a good reason for their price and Adelaide eventually folded the following year believing Gibbs was their missing piece to a premiership puzzle. Adelaide doing this will only lead me towards seeing them possibly being 'unprofessional'. This is a player that hasn't made much of a statement and in terms of output, is on the edge of the crows 22.

It's an apple and an orange here. Adelaide will be playing with fire. Don't expect SOS to bend over like Reid did because that is not going to happen in any way. More than his worth might be paid, but Carlton have other trades to deal with. More likely than not, blues will happily leave the crows to fix what they themselves break.

 

[Kenny Dee]

FFS CROWS FANS, WE KNOW!!!

We know his contracted for 2 years. We know Adelaide hold the advantages here.

But don't go acting like you have any knowledge of the inner sanctum. Don't say that there is a healthy relationship between Mitch and the club, because we all well and truly know that can't be the case. Something must have changed during these 12 months to have seen Gov wanting out and wanting further away from home.

Now before you go on saying it's 'money', think again. Us Carlton fans don't bloody know either. But the clearest of word having come out being that if it was money Gov's after, then he would've moved home on bigger dollars last year. Why would he all of a sudden be money-hungry now? There's clearly more to it than we all think.

We all can only attempt to join the dots. And my attempt says that Adelaide have clearly done something wrong to disappoint him. He has requested a trade, FACT. Further from home, FACT. To the bottom of the ladder club, FACT.

Funny how Carlton were scrutinised for demanding for overs, when Gibbs was 1) One of Carlton's only valuable assets at the time and 2) One of the club's most highly respected men. To the few who had said here that he was disappointed in Carlton for not trading him at first: You couldn't be anymore wrong. Even you supporters have witness how freaking professional this guy speaks. Probably one of the more level-headed players out there at the moment. Throughout last year, Gibbs has stated that and he performed no worse in 2017 than he did in any other season with the club. And even at Adelaide I've heard him mention how much Carlton have meant for him.

Did SOS say no to trading Gibbs? NO!!! He simply put a very high price on him because Carlton saw how he important he was. He meant more to Carlton than Adelaide. Simple as that. SOS should be applauded for doing this, because right now people are having a F***ing go at Carlton for simply having traded him. Morons like Kane Cornes were spitting on him at first for having not traded him for anything less than what was demanded. If SOS was an arseh*le, he would have denied Gibbs' request altogether. Gibbs would've well and truly known how high he was valued by his Carlton family. The only thing he would've been upset with, was the trade not going through. That ain't our fault, that's Adelaide's.

If any crows supporter out there was whinging about SOS's approach yet considered the decision to trade Gibbs as a reason for Carlton not deserving a priority pick, then you need a freaking lobotomy. There is no way in hell you can have both. (Didn't get a PP anyway).

Now back to the Gov situation. I mean sure crows fans, look at it in black and white. Look at it like the brain-dead media. 'Wah, wah! He is contracted so pay overs'. But just remember this. The line will be drawn somewhere. Any step over it will surely ruin the reputation of your club, especially after all the negative attention it has received throughout this year. Players may not consider coming to your club. Further players may want out moving forward.

Now I don't know much about M.McGovern compared to most other players in the league. And I honestly don't know how he will act if a trade isn't facilitated. But I've seen bits and pieces of his game to know that I don't rate him very highly. I personally see more excitement from C.Curnow and McKay. SOS however rates him, and was believed to have eyes on him for quite some time. Based on output I only have Mitch around an early to mid second-round pick. But I'd be willing to give up 24 and first dibs on a player like McAdam (a small and speedy mature-aged SA forward, who I believe is both a need and will play well for Adelaide moving forward. Especially given the ageing Betts and no more Cameron). If anything more was demanded, then I'd probably will leave that trade deal to last. If still a fail, then Adelaide will have given themselves a lot of work to do.

Keep saying 'pay up or he stays', but don't pretend to not consider the circumstances of McGovern's request. They're not what you expect them to be. Whether it was the camp, the contract or something else, he has changed his mind after less than twelve months. This is the trade that could potentially put the club's image on the line.

Despite what you, I, SOS or what anybody else thinks. Carlton will certainly not go out losers here. Blues had a good reason for their price and Adelaide eventually folded the following year believing Gibbs was their missing piece to a premiership puzzle. Adelaide doing this will only lead me towards seeing them possibly being 'unprofessional'. This is a player that hasn't made much of a statement and in terms of output, is on the edge of the crows 22.

It's an apple and an orange here. Adelaide will be playing with fire. Don't expect SOS to bend over like Reid did because that is not going to happen in any way. More than his worth might be paid, but Carlton have other trades to deal with. More likely than not, blues will happily leave the crows to fix what they themselves break.

He’s contracted for two more years

 

[Monkey King]

Ricciuto has said the Crows want a pick in the top 10 or he won't be traded.

He should probably stay out of it. Lampooned the Gibbs trade first time round too.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

What would you expect a sportsperson in any sport to say after signing a contract? I hate the place but I signed anyway. I can't see how one disgruntled player and some noise about a preseason camp means your culture is bad anyway. Every club has personalities and issues to manage.

What do you expect any Sportsman to say, who's looking for a trade due to more $$$ to say .....I love the place

 

[WaynesWorld19]

No, my anger is low. Mitch has a trade value in the industry around the 20 mark. Lots of ability, but a need to take it to another level. I have no emotional scarring towards the Adelaide list manager. It's a business.

All clubs will go to this years National Draft and draft players primarily based on their potential upside ......therefore Carltons value & contract to McGovern also reflects his upside & potential

This is not like business, where you do not play for potential .....in sport you actually do

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I hear the demands, I hear the emotion. I don't hear the evidence for why his value should be higher. YouTube highlights vid again?

That's why you're not involved in the trade

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Do you honestly think they will be and that is just crap because the Dogs hierarchy said exactly the same thing about Stringer. If you recall Chris Grant said if we don't get bla bla we are happy for him to play for us next year.

You need to get up to speed with where the AFL Landscape is heading ......want to know what that is, use the search function

 

[Jars458]

FFS CROWS FANS, WE KNOW!!!

We know his contracted for 2 years. We know Adelaide hold the advantages here.

But don't go acting like you have any knowledge of the inner sanctum. Don't say that there is a healthy relationship between Mitch and the club, because we all well and truly know that can't be the case. Something must have changed during these 12 months to have seen Gov wanting out and wanting further away from home.

Now before you go on saying it's 'money', think again. Us Carlton fans don't bloody know either. But the clearest of word having come out being that if it was money Gov's after, then he would've moved home on bigger dollars last year. Why would he all of a sudden be money-hungry now? There's clearly more to it than we all think.

We all can only attempt to join the dots. And my attempt says that Adelaide have clearly done something wrong to disappoint him. He has requested a trade, FACT. Further from home, FACT. To the bottom of the ladder club, FACT.

Funny how Carlton were scrutinised for demanding for overs, when Gibbs was 1) One of Carlton's only valuable assets at the time and 2) One of the club's most highly respected men. To the few who had said here that he was disappointed in Carlton for not trading him at first: You couldn't be anymore wrong. Even you supporters have witness how freaking professional this guy speaks. Probably one of the more level-headed players out there at the moment. Throughout last year, Gibbs has stated that and he performed no worse in 2017 than he did in any other season with the club. And even at Adelaide I've heard him mention how much Carlton have meant for him.

Did SOS say no to trading Gibbs? NO!!! He simply put a very high price on him because Carlton saw how he important he was. He meant more to Carlton than Adelaide. Simple as that. SOS should be applauded for doing this, because right now people are having a F***ing go at Carlton for simply having traded him. Morons like Kane Cornes were spitting on him at first for having not traded him for anything less than what was demanded. If SOS was an arseh*le, he would have denied Gibbs' request altogether. Gibbs would've well and truly known how high he was valued by his Carlton family. The only thing he would've been upset with, was the trade not going through. That ain't our fault, that's Adelaide's.

If any crows supporter out there was whinging about SOS's approach yet considered the decision to trade Gibbs as a reason for Carlton not deserving a priority pick, then you need a freaking lobotomy. There is no way in hell you can have both. (Didn't get a PP anyway).

Now back to the Gov situation. I mean sure crows fans, look at it in black and white. Look at it like the brain-dead media. 'Wah, wah! He is contracted so pay overs'. But just remember this. The line will be drawn somewhere. Any step over it will surely ruin the reputation of your club, especially after all the negative attention it has received throughout this year. Players may not consider coming to your club. Further players may want out moving forward.

Now I don't know much about M.McGovern compared to most other players in the league. And I honestly don't know how he will act if a trade isn't facilitated. But I've seen bits and pieces of his game to know that I don't rate him very highly. I personally see more excitement from C.Curnow and McKay. SOS however rates him, and was believed to have eyes on him for quite some time. Based on output I only have Mitch around an early to mid second-round pick. But I'd be willing to give up 24 and first dibs on a player like McAdam (a small and speedy mature-aged SA forward, who I believe is both a need and will play well for Adelaide moving forward. Especially given the ageing Betts and no more Cameron). If anything more was demanded, then I'd probably will leave that trade deal to last. If still a fail, then Adelaide will have given themselves a lot of work to do.

Keep saying 'pay up or he stays', but don't pretend to not consider the circumstances of McGovern's request. They're not what you expect them to be. Whether it was the camp, the contract or something else, he has changed his mind after less than twelve months. This is the trade that could potentially put the club's image on the line.

Despite what you, I, SOS or what anybody else thinks. Carlton will certainly not go out losers here. Blues had a good reason for their price and Adelaide eventually folded the following year believing Gibbs was their missing piece to a premiership puzzle. Adelaide doing this will only lead me towards seeing them possibly being 'unprofessional'. This is a player that hasn't made much of a statement and in terms of output, is on the edge of the crows 22.

It's an apple and an orange here. Adelaide will be playing with fire. Don't expect SOS to bend over like Reid did because that is not going to happen in any way. More than his worth might be paid, but Carlton have other trades to deal with. More likely than not, blues will happily leave the crows to fix what they themselves break.

Is this the longest post in BigFooty history that has added absolutely nothing to the conversation? Maybe Dan26 has beaten it, but it would be close.

 

[Crows4Flag]

FFS CROWS FANS, WE KNOW!!!

We know his contracted for 2 years. We know Adelaide hold the advantages here.

But don't go acting like you have any knowledge of the inner sanctum. Don't say that there is a healthy relationship between Mitch and the club, because we all well and truly know that can't be the case. Something must have changed during these 12 months to have seen Gov wanting out and wanting further away from home.

Now before you go on saying it's 'money', think again. Us Carlton fans don't bloody know either. But the clearest of word having come out being that if it was money Gov's after, then he would've moved home on bigger dollars last year. Why would he all of a sudden be money-hungry now? There's clearly more to it than we all think.

We all can only attempt to join the dots. And my attempt says that Adelaide have clearly done something wrong to disappoint him. He has requested a trade, FACT. Further from home, FACT. To the bottom of the ladder club, FACT.

Funny how Carlton were scrutinised for demanding for overs, when Gibbs was 1) One of Carlton's only valuable assets at the time and 2) One of the club's most highly respected men. To the few who had said here that he was disappointed in Carlton for not trading him at first: You couldn't be anymore wrong. Even you supporters have witness how freaking professional this guy speaks. Probably one of the more level-headed players out there at the moment. Throughout last year, Gibbs has stated that and he performed no worse in 2017 than he did in any other season with the club. And even at Adelaide I've heard him mention how much Carlton have meant for him.

Did SOS say no to trading Gibbs? NO!!! He simply put a very high price on him because Carlton saw how he important he was. He meant more to Carlton than Adelaide. Simple as that. SOS should be applauded for doing this, because right now people are having a F***ing go at Carlton for simply having traded him. Morons like Kane Cornes were spitting on him at first for having not traded him for anything less than what was demanded. If SOS was an arseh*le, he would have denied Gibbs' request altogether. Gibbs would've well and truly known how high he was valued by his Carlton family. The only thing he would've been upset with, was the trade not going through. That ain't our fault, that's Adelaide's.

If any crows supporter out there was whinging about SOS's approach yet considered the decision to trade Gibbs as a reason for Carlton not deserving a priority pick, then you need a freaking lobotomy. There is no way in hell you can have both. (Didn't get a PP anyway).

Now back to the Gov situation. I mean sure crows fans, look at it in black and white. Look at it like the brain-dead media. 'Wah, wah! He is contracted so pay overs'. But just remember this. The line will be drawn somewhere. Any step over it will surely ruin the reputation of your club, especially after all the negative attention it has received throughout this year. Players may not consider coming to your club. Further players may want out moving forward.

Now I don't know much about M.McGovern compared to most other players in the league. And I honestly don't know how he will act if a trade isn't facilitated. But I've seen bits and pieces of his game to know that I don't rate him very highly. I personally see more excitement from C.Curnow and McKay. SOS however rates him, and was believed to have eyes on him for quite some time. Based on output I only have Mitch around an early to mid second-round pick. But I'd be willing to give up 24 and first dibs on a player like McAdam (a small and speedy mature-aged SA forward, who I believe is both a need and will play well for Adelaide moving forward. Especially given the ageing Betts and no more Cameron). If anything more was demanded, then I'd probably will leave that trade deal to last. If still a fail, then Adelaide will have given themselves a lot of work to do.

Keep saying 'pay up or he stays', but don't pretend to not consider the circumstances of McGovern's request. They're not what you expect them to be. Whether it was the camp, the contract or something else, he has changed his mind after less than twelve months. This is the trade that could potentially put the club's image on the line.

Despite what you, I, SOS or what anybody else thinks. Carlton will certainly not go out losers here. Blues had a good reason for their price and Adelaide eventually folded the following year believing Gibbs was their missing piece to a premiership puzzle. Adelaide doing this will only lead me towards seeing them possibly being 'unprofessional'. This is a player that hasn't made much of a statement and in terms of output, is on the edge of the crows 22.

It's an apple and an orange here. Adelaide will be playing with fire. Don't expect SOS to bend over like Reid did because that is not going to happen in any way. More than his worth might be paid, but Carlton have other trades to deal with. More likely than not, blues will happily leave the crows to fix what they themselves break.

Can someone please post the cliffnotes?

 

[BRWB]

All clubs will go to this years National Draft and draft players primarily based on their potential upside ......therefore Carltons value & contract to McGovern also reflects his upside & potential

This is not like business, where you do not play for potential .....in sport you actually do

Huh? Some businesses pay truckloads to fund research and development. And that is pure business spending on potential. Sheesh.

This thread is quite amusing and I reckon it will crap on along for most of the trade period as other trades are going to have to drop for tbe right value pick (somewhere around 15) to become available.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Huh? Some businesses pay truckloads to fund research and development. And that is pure business spending on potential. Sheesh.

This thread is quite amusing and I reckon it will crap on along for most of the trade period as other trades are going to have to drop for tbe right value pick (somewhere around 15) to become available.

WTF are you talking about ...you have no clue what you're talking about

 

[BRWB]

WTF are you talking about ...you have no clue what you're talking about

Went over your head eh m8? Understandable.

 

[PAFC_1870]

This will easily be the most annoying trade this month.

 

[carlton2dabone]

WTF are you talking about ...you have no clue what you're talking about

Typical Adelaide supporters response, a poster tries to explain how they are wrong with the things the sprout, and their reaction is ‘you don’t know what you are talking about’

Listen up your Adelaide drones, yes mcgovern is contracted to you for 2 more years, but we pay what we think he is worth, and if you don’t like it then keep him, we don’t give a shit. We got other more important trades for midfielders we need to focus on