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Agree just seems like a good honest nothing player for mine.
No exceptional weapons.
Weapons aren't all they're cracked up to be. Look at Essendon.
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Agree just seems like a good honest nothing player for mine.
No exceptional weapons.
I know it's popular around here to predict that Crouch will spend more time in lime green than red, blue & gold.. but I think Johncock will be our specialist super-sub this year, with Crouch being part of the starting 21 most weeks. Johncock is able to play at either end of the ground and has the experience to come in and make an impact straight away. He's the perfect sub, as far as I'm concerned.
Bit like Kane Johnston ....but look how he turned out
UM NO! Maybe the other 3...if he improves immensely over the year, but no way is he going to be ahead of Smith or Wright this season.I think he could definitely steal a spot by years end. Someone like Smith, Martin, Wright, Jaensch or Henderson. Would be very tough to do though.
Close I reckon.
Callinan in for Riley and you've just picked our Round 1 team.
Jeez we're fickle. People already writing Otten off despite him being one of our best last September.
Fair enough.He was one of our best in 1 match in September, yet despite a good preseason and plenty of opportunities he's been back to the slow, fumbly and lacking intensity Andy Otten that we've see far too much of the past 2 years.
Besides, I think you're being a little touchy, no ones writing him off, just saying that he needs to reestablish himself as a best 22 player or he may be in the firing line come season end.
That's probably a fair point. Not in the same 21 perhaps.Certainly appears I was wrong about Riley. Still not sure we can run with both Johncock and Callinan in the same side, its one or the other IMO, unless Johncock is reinstated in the defensive 50 which Sando appears to have ruled out.
An excellent question, AFGM.I fear you are correct Carl but can we afford to pump another 20+ games into Johncock and Callinan in 2013? If we don't win the flag (possible but not probable) then we will be weaker at the end of the year than the start. We were the most conservative club in the AFL last season when it came to playing kids (18 and 19 year olds). Would we have finished any lower if we had played Dogga, Stiffy, Nutta etc less and Kerridge, Lyons and Riley more?
Not too fussed if Crouch gets the Andrew Gaff treatment to be honest. A bunch of games as the sub beats playing for West.If Crouch is wearing the green singlet against Essendon then I will be very disappointed.
He was one of our best in 1 match in September, yet despite a good preseason and plenty of opportunities he's been back to the slow, fumbly and lacking intensity Andy Otten that we've see far too much of the past 2 years.
Besides, I think you're being a little touchy, no ones writing him off, just saying that he needs to reestablish himself as a best 22 player or he may be in the firing line come season end.
Playing Callinan or Johncock but not both, to leave a spot for Kerridge/Lyons/Riley. Playing Brown instead of Tambling or Jaensch (NaBA) and playing Crouch whenever he is fit.
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Certainly appears I was wrong about Riley. Still not sure we can run with both Johncock and Callinan in the same side, its one or the other IMO, unless Johncock is reinstated in the defensive 50 which Sando appears to have ruled out.
Why not?
We did last year without any problems. Callinan will be a permanent small forward this year and Stiffy will become a bit of jack of all trades.
Johncock looks fitter than I have seen him over the past 4 preseasons. Maybe the combination of our success last year and the understanding that his career is in the twilight motivated him a big 2013. Really wouldn't mind him playing a bit of a Byron Pickett role from Port in 2004.
I suspect it was the fact that he spent so much of last year in the SANFL or Lime Green jacket, together with being booted from defence to the forward line, gave him a massive wake up call. It was either get fit in the hope of maintaining his position, or sit back and watch the kids go sailing past him.Johncock looks fitter than I have seen him over the past 4 preseasons. Maybe the combination of our success last year and the understanding that his career is in the twilight motivated him a big 2013. Really wouldn't mind him playing a bit of a Byron Pickett role from Port in 2004.
I suspect it was the fact that he spent so much of last year in the SANFL or Lime Green jacket, together with being booted from defence to the forward line, gave him a massive wake up call. It was either get fit in the hope of maintaining his position, or sit back and watch the kids go sailing past him.
Johncock is probably the only senior player under any real pressure to maintain his position in the side. Forget about Callinan, or other whipping boy favourites like Douglas - those guys will play 22 games this year if they stay fit. Stiffy is the only senior player at serious risk of being dropped. Martin appears to be a ready made replacement, just waiting for his opportunity to arrive.
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Agree 100%
It had to happen eventually
You bastard, I was having a good dayWe gave up the Bock pick to get Tambling. So you could argue playing Tambling is like playing a youngster......technically.....
I didn't get much sleep last night.
By good luck and/or good management we now have a core of elite/near elite players in their early 20's but our talent is still below several other teams. Whilst we can expect further improvement from our 50 - 100 game players, we need to develop at least another 3 or 4 players to remain contenders over the next three years.
Thanks to S. Trigg and his Band of Merry Men we have not only "lost" our highest paid player for zip, we have also failed to use the additional $850K+ a year to improve our squad this year AND we have lost two round one and two round two draft picks. We must do everything in our power to "find" some new players and our only choice is to play our promising kids. That doesn't mean sacking everyone over 25 but it does mean selecting a younger player who may be marginally less effective over the next 20 games.
If Petrenko, Johncock or Callinan got injured I don't reckon we'd start forfeiting games. Let's not pretend these are completely exceptional players with a "unique set of skills" that only they possess in any quantity.Thought your post was quality.
The one thing I think is missing with yours and Spacklers post is the issue of team balance and the understanding that you cannot just drop quality players who perform a very specific role for young and upcoming players who play other positions.
In our forward line we have a lack of quality crumbers. On our list I think that only Callinan and Stiffy can perform that role of a traditional small forward. Petrenko is a different player whose function and role is to apply defensive pressure inside 50 and keep the ball in. Porps will be playing the majority of his time through the middle. This leaves us with those two. The issue is that if you drop one of them - it makes our team considerably weaker as we are replacing an established crumber with a midfielder.
The thing is, these "role players" often (not always) fill the easiest roles in the team. The 7th defender, the small forward/part-time mid, the sub... if you aren't using these roles to usher in your most talented youngsters then there are no other spots for them.Spackler also brings up playing Doughty last year (and Shirley in the past) at the expense of youngsters. To me its an incredibly frustrating thought process that permeates big footy. The 'whipping boys' who perform a specific role (Dogga played on the oppositions best small forward all last year and Shirley was really our only quality tagger on our list) cannot just be replaced with rookies without it having a huge affect on the rest of the side. Replacing Dogga with a player like Jaensch or Martin last year and we would have been a much worse side defensively and lost stability and experience in the backline.
That's fine. As long as we never have to rely on those players (and Lyons, Kerridge etc) to be good players.Also - this year we need to be playing our best side and trying to win it all. If that means playing Callinan for 22 games then so be it. Happy to never find out if Martin/Riley/Jaensch et al can make it as AFL players if we have a flag in 2013.