National Draft - Luke Ball

[Tranquilli37]

No.

Players already in the system can nominate for either drafts and command as much as they want because they are "free agents".

Ball can get whatever he wants in either draft.

Which is why, I think he will nominate for the National Draft.

Thanks for clearing that up champ.

 

[macleodboy07]

Thanks for clearing that up champ.

everyone can call me a goose if this idea is just completely stupid but if the afl is so keen on players being able to move clubs and their club being compansated that why cant clubs (im asuming they cant cose ive never heard of it) but why cant they trade just PSD picks?
we could of traded wellingham and pick 30 to the kangaroos for pick 25 in the national draft. then offered that to melbounre for pick 1 in the pre season draft.
this all depends on wheather melb would accept. but we could of thrown in a late ND pick with the melb deal so they could get someone they were planning on getting in the PSD. i would think a club rebuilding would rather a top 30 ND pick, then a PSD pick.
pre season draft is always full of recycled hacks, delisted rookies or the players who didnt get drafted in the ND.
if this was able to happen we could of put that before the saints, forcing there hand to take pick 25 or else we get ball anyway.
this would make it alot easier for players to move to clubs were they want to go while there club still gets compansated.

people thoughts? im open to critisisum and will take whatever comes my way is everyone think this is just stupid. was just a thought i just had

 

[Bay Pie]

We still have some chance of landing him, if he really wants to play for us.

He is in a very tough position. It appears there is no way he'll go back to St.Kilda. Remember Lyons GF speech "If you can't committ, come and see me and we'll move you on" should have added "but to to another contender.

Fair enough though I understand that but he has just backdoored a very well liked guy in the same way he did to X.Clarke ("we let him to go to get opportunities elsewhere" Lyon:Hello, you played Luke Ball in 7 games) and moreso Max Hugdson, but that cost them a flag.. All popular clubman. Laugh if Armitage takes off to the GC17 next year as an uncontracted player

His other option is to take his chances in either draft. If he wants to play for us, put $800,000 1 year deal on his head. Make it known that he really wants to play for us and would not be committed to other teams etc.

Would any team select a guy for 1 year, pay him heaps, in the hope of changing his mind to continue with that club?? Possibly.

In return if he does get to us, he gets a healthy 1st year contract and we throw another 2 years onto the deal on good money, for having the faith in us.

Luke Balls' value was about pick 20. We offered the closest we could get to that.

 

[Pie eyed]

It would be interesting to see what would happen if he did put a huge price on his head (front ended contract with us) and then just completely close up shop to other clubs. Not speak to them, not get interviewed by them and not do a medical with them... Just refuse to deal with them at all...

Surely no club would take the punt on him then, it'd be way to big a risk... Paying like 800k and using a top 29 pick on a guy you didn't interview or assess.

It wouldn't happen because Ball doesn't owe us anything now, but it'd be interesting.

Just wear a Collingwood jumper to all the meetings.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Don't get your hopes up, but...

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/melbourne-showing-interest-in-luke-ball/story-e6frf9jf-1225785172592

If Ball leaves, he could also nominate for the national draft in a risky attempt to find his way to Collingwood, which first pick is No. 30.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/melbourne-showing-interest-in-luke-ball/story-e6frf9jf-1225785172592

 

[you idiot sheehan]

I just posted this in the 'Collingwood miss out on Ball' thread in the Drafts and Trading board, but it's relevant here too - couldn't it just be as simple as all this?:

- Luke Ball's current contract with St Kilda expires on October 31, effectively making him a 'free agent' without a club who still has to go through the draft process.
- After October 31, Luke Ball makes an official statement through the media that he "only wants to play for Collingwood in 2010" and that he "rufuses to deal with any other club and/or play for any other club in 2010", thereby warning off other clubs from picking him in either the National Draft or Pre-Season Draft.
- Collingwood then expresses official interest in Ball after he has made this statement (and after his St Kilda contract has officially expired), so as not to have dirt-diggers accusing them of publically 'tampering with the draft' or anything silly like that. They would have obviously come to a good-faith agreement with Ball that they would indeed draft him (given the chance) prior to this (similar to what happened with Ben Cousins and Richmond last year), as I imagine they are allowed to do with any other eligible draftee.
- On November 26, other AFL clubs heed Ball's words that he'll refuse to play for them if they select him, and (just as other clubs conceeded and agreed to leave Ben Cousins for Richmond last year) Collingwood then use pick #30 in the National Draft to secure Luke Ball's services.

Can anyone pick any flaws/incorrectness/impossibilities/variables with that scenario?

Why are we so self indulgent! Why would he love Collingwood so much after we showed him we had no balls to get a deal done? We basically said we rated 41 players on our list ahead of him. I feel sorry for Luke Ball cos he nominated Collingwood genuinly believing we'd get a deal done. Well sory Luke, we're piss weak.

 

[Invigoration]

We still have some chance of landing him, if he really wants to play for us.

He is in a very tough position. It appears there is no way he'll go back to St.Kilda. Remember Lyons GF speech "If you can't committ, come and see me and we'll move you on" should have added "but to to another contender.

Fair enough though I understand that but he has just backdoored a very well liked guy in the same way he did to X.Clarke ("we let him to go to get opportunities elsewhere" Lyon:Hello, you played Luke Ball in 7 games) and moreso Max Hugdson, but that cost them a flag.. All popular clubman. Laugh if Armitage takes off to the GC17 next year as an uncontracted player

His other option is to take his chances in either draft. If he wants to play for us, put $800,000 1 year deal on his head. Make it known that he really wants to play for us and would not be committed to other teams etc.

Would any team select a guy for 1 year, pay him heaps, in the hope of changing his mind to continue with that club?? Possibly.

In return if he does get to us, he gets a healthy 1st year contract and we throw another 2 years onto the deal on good money, for having the faith in us.

Luke Balls' value was about pick 20. We offered the closest we could get to that.

At least he wouldn't lose out of that, I mean he'd still ****ing get 800k where ever he went for 1 years work! I'd be asking Collingwood what the absolute maximum was we could put on his head, sending him through with public knowledge he wanted us and hoping he got through.
If he didn't, chances are he will still get to a better club than Melbourne (I don't they would spend a **** load on him given they aren't challenging) and he'd be on whatever that big figure was for the year, say 800k.

I'd certainly take that if I was in his position... He could also subtly use the threat of, 'hey you are only signing me for a year, after that I'll take big cash for the Gold Coast'. So a club would have effectively grabbed him for 1 year at 800k only for him to goto the GC.

All very fanciful I know, but it seems like it could work in theory.

 

[Magpie Ink]

another legal way to do it but it puts us back a year and probably gone by then is do the buckley brisbane bears deal

put a $1mill on his head for a 1 year contract and refuse to sign any more than 1 year, so that if melbourne do pick him up he has 1 year with them, then can try the trade thing again

would be strange to do but you never know ... as some have said the price on his head could scare some off

just another question, why would melbourne want him in if they are rebuilding and had no issue getting rid of brock mclean, the bloke who loves melbourne and who is younger than ball and their next captain?

This in IMOH is the only way I can see Ball making to us in the national draft..

If he does this and lets be known that he will ask for a trade to the pies after the first year then we might be still in the ball game.......

 

[Thommo 42]

he can put a price on his head in either draft.

The risk in the ND is he could end up interstate, because Melbourne wouldn't use of their early picks on him, but might use something like 18, by this stage a few interstate clubs have had a pick.

In the PSD, he's got Melbourne 1st up and unlikely to get past them.

I think his best bet though is to go in the ND, put pretty high price on his head and be open about his desire to go to Collingwood. We then offer him a front ended contract and get it done. I think this is more likely to happen than people think.

 

[FredNerk69]

Lets look at this logically. You would think that no team will use their first 20 draft pick on Ball. Every team is very hung up on the youth policy.

After that lets look at the teams left
20. Fremantle
21. North Melbourne
22. West Coast
23. West Coast
24. Essendon
25. North Melbourne
26. Essendon
27. Brisbane Lions
28. Geelong
29. Adelaide
30. Collingwood
31. Western Bulldogs
32. St Kilda
33. Essendon

You would think that Freo, WC, Bris, Adel and Gee would not pick him up. That leaves North and Ess. He could be a big chance to make it to 30. Worth a try and on Balls behalf he would prob be happy to go to Ess and maybe North so he would be happy to give it a go as well.

He still might end up with the Pies. All I hope is that the Saints get screwed.

 

[Thommo 42]

Apparently Connors talked to other clubs and fielded offers, none offered their 2nd round pick. So you would think its fair to say that if they weren't prepared to trade that pick for him, they wouldn't use it on him either.

This gives us hope we can get him at 30

 

[uptheburra]

I have to say I am pretty dissapointed we didnt pick up Luke Ball. Its my thought that whilst O'Bree and Ben Johnson, as much as I do love these guys and they have been great servents of the club I cant see us being genuine premiership contender with those guys around. With Ball we would have had some pretty impressive midfield rotations.

Anyway... alot of people here are talking about a one year contract but what about the GC coming in 2011? Would hate to offer this guy 800k or whatever it is and them lose him straight to the GC becuase they have first pick at any uncontracted players.

Also with the 800k offer Melbourne would be able to double any one year offer we could make with Melbourne apparently still 500k short of making there minimum total player payments which is 92.5% Im pretty sure, meaning they could if they wanted pay Ball 500k + 7.5% of the salary cap.

Would love to get him but would have to say its a less than 5% chance of getting Ball to Collingwood now unfourtantly...

 

[MAGP1ES]

Ball should use the media, and be seen hanging around the Lexus center having lunch with MM etc... then maybe the others will realize where he wants to go.

or

He could fake a bad knee injury, and use the media to leek this information then nominate for the PSD or ND and get passed by others till Pies pick.


I feel sorry for Ball because he nominated us as the preferred team, and it didn't happen.

 

[Thommo 42]

Melbournearen't going to take him if he doesn't want to be there though

 

[daics_35]

If he nominates for the national draft the main worry is essendon picking him with their pick in the 20s because they did show some interest in him during the trade week.

 

[c'wood-pies]

Make Melbourne work.

If they want him, they can pay full tote odds. Pick 18 in the national draft instead of a kid.
Same with any other club.

Luke Ball, place 700k on your head for year 1. This will knock out a lot of clubs that dont have the cap space etc. If another club wants to come in and swoop before our pick 30 then they are going to have to pay for it with a proper pick and fit him into the cap.

 

[Bay Pie]

If he nominates for the national draft the main worry is essendon picking him with their pick in the 20s because they did show some interest in him during the trade week.

Agree here. Nominating for the ND is the only way we can get him because teams up to about earlier 20 picks are still developing lists and going for good young kids. Dees, Tigers, Freo, WCE & NM.

It's the 2 picks of Essendon in the 20s' that are the worry.

Put $800,000 on his head for a 1 year deal. All clubs know he wanted to play for us, if he still does, they may talk to him before the draft and see how he feels.

If we land him, we hand him another 2 years on $200,000 per year.

 

[didaka]

I'd say the only threats in the ND are North, Ess and Bris from picks 25-27.

 

[daics_35]

I'd say the only threats in the ND are North, Ess and Bris from picks 25-27.

Doubt Brisbane can fit him in their cap after the fev deal and ball would be asking for a fair bit as well

 

[didaka]

So North and Essendon.

 

[mdc]

The folks on the Adelaide board seem keen @ 29.

I also wouldn't rule out Melbourne @ 18, although by declaring for the ND he's basically signaling he doesn't want to play for them.

 

[Swan4Brownlow]

I'd say the only threats in the ND are North, Ess and Bris from picks 25-27.

The only selections before 30 in the ND which worry me are:
Melbourne with 18 if they really are that keen on Ball,

Adelaide with 29 although you'd think they could have some cap issues depending on how much their older stars are on and younger guys like Vince, Tippet and the Porpoise,

Lions with 27 although probably cap problems and would want to use 27 and 47 on kids to not completely fk themselves for the future keeping in mind Black, Power, Brown and co are not getting any younger,

Essendon with 24 and 26 who did show interest in him. The question is how far away do the Bombers think they are from challenging for a flag? Could add some more grunt to their midfield so we would have to hope they decided to go after kids.

To be honest i can't see North using their pick 25 for Ball because I think they are definitely in a stage where they need to rebuild their list from the bottom up. Would definitely want to use their first 3 picks on best available young talent.

West Coast, Port, Richmond, Sydney, Freo are all in the same boat.

However the thing that must be considered most is that Luke Ball does not owe Collingwood anything. If i was in his position I'd be bloody p!ssed off with Collingwood because we've basically had a hand in him destroying relations with his club and in the end we havent gotten him a new home. So we've put him in a position where he will most likely go from a club challenging for a flag to a mob like the Dees who are still 4 or so years away. He won't nominate for the ND he will go through the preseason and he will go to Melbourne unless another big name player comes out of contract. Basically we f*cked this one up due to our reluctance to part with anyone (Goldsack, Blight) and the Saints stubbornness. How we can justify passing up on Luke Ball in order to maintain a rookie listed player who may never make the grade in Blight is beyond me. For our sake I hope Blight, the Sack and Brown all turn out to be bloody awesome players

 

[dima17]

im optimistic about luke somehow ending up at the pies. if he is still interested and we are interested (we have to be super keen towards him and he has to know this) it could happen. where there's a will, there's a way

 

[Subprime]

Apparently Connors talked to other clubs and fielded offers, none offered their 2nd round pick. So you would think its fair to say that if they weren't prepared to trade that pick for him, they wouldn't use it on him either.

This gives us hope we can get him at 30

Its a pity there isn't a system in place where clubs have to put there best offer in writing for these unresolved trades. They then get held to that in the ND. Would take a lot of the BS out of trade week.

 

[Tranquilli37]

Melbourne can pick up young guns at 1, 2 & 11, so they may highly consider getting him at 18 to add some experience in their midfield. Essendon also looks to ba a threat.
You guys have to remember that Luke Ball has to look out for his own best interests, so during trade week he wanted to be at the Pies. Now that the week is over, all bets are off - the Pies couldnt get the deal done. Hell shop around and will speak to anyone that will listen. If he ends up at another club besides the Pies, hell look pretty silly, because hell have to 'backpedal' and say how excited he is to be at the new club, and will look like a hypocrite.
I do believe though 'if' by any chance hes available at pick30, hell be a Pie next season.