New Zealand v England 28 Nov- 18 Dec 2024 (3 Tests)

[PhatBoy]

Always good to beat up on some minnows to get some confidence back in the side.

It’s how the West Indies feel whenever you come to the Caribbean for a test series.

 

[sabso]

Always found this interesting. In 2075 Tests over 136 years, there was only one innings of 171 in a Test match. In the 488 since there have been seven.

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Spooky.

Vale Ian Redpath.

Former Australia opener Ian Redpath dies aged 83

The popular former Australian opener was known as a courageous, obdurate player who was held in incredibly high regard by both teammates and opponents

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[010203]

New Zealand and England have been docked three WTC points and all their players have been fined 15% of their match fees as a result of slow over rates in Christchurch.

 

[sabso]

New Zealand and England have been docked three WTC points and all their players have been fined 15% of their match fees as a result of slow over rates in Christchurch.

 

[NYRB]

Ben Stokes comes across as an unlikeable lad:

 

[sabso]

Ben Stokes comes across as an unlikeable lad:

Refer my post above.

 

[katana]

Ben Stokes comes across as an unlikeable lad:

he kind of has a point doesn't he? there's no deliberate timewasting going on, these over rates seem to be unachievable these days given that virtually every side cops the penalties. maybe the icc need to re-assess what an acceptable rate is

 

[PhatBoy]

he kind of has a point doesn't he? there's no deliberate timewasting going on, these over rates seem to be unachievable these days given that virtually every side cops the penalties. maybe the icc need to re-assess what an acceptable rate is

The problem is several fold IMO.

1. There seems to be no accountability from the match referees for issues when they could be doing things to get more cricket played: in the Windies-Bangladesh test that just completed in Jamaica, four hours was lost on day one and because of the time of year when the game was played it was obvious that every day was going to be curtailed by light issues. The solution to making up the four hours? Start each day a whole 15 minutes early, when bright sunshine preceded that by hours. If the officials aren’t going to use common sense to get more cricket played, why should the players set the example?

2. There does not seem to be any allowance set for days like the first in Perth. There was what, 16, 17 wickets? That’s roughly 35 minutes right there of batsmen leaving and arriving at the wicket, plus your reviews etc. that’s a BIG chunk of time where automatically play is not going to be taking place. No amount of effort can actually make that go faster.

3. Bowling sides can whinge all they want about batsmen having more and longer breaks. The fact is they still don’t actually try and push through overs very fast and until they do, it is still going to be a point of contention and whether you finish the game early or not is irrelevant: no one knows on day one when THOSE spectators are in the ground wanting to see play progress, what the outcome will be. They don’t care what happens on day five when there’s no play. They want to see their 90 overs of cricket.



It’s a double edged sword and it isn’t all the players’ fault and the ICC could make things easier by not adhering to the existing 6 hours plus half an hour model but the players need to take some responsibility

 

[big_e]

The problem is several fold IMO.

1. There seems to be no accountability from the match referees for issues when they could be doing things to get more cricket played: in the Windies-Bangladesh test that just completed in Jamaica, four hours was lost on day one and because of the time of year when the game was played it was obvious that every day was going to be curtailed by light issues. The solution to making up the four hours? Start each day a whole 15 minutes early, when bright sunshine preceded that by hours. If the officials aren’t going to use common sense to get more cricket played, why should the players set the example?

2. There does not seem to be any allowance set for days like the first in Perth. There was what, 16, 17 wickets? That’s roughly 35 minutes right there of batsmen leaving and arriving at the wicket, plus your reviews etc. that’s a BIG chunk of time where automatically play is not going to be taking place. No amount of effort can actually make that go faster.

3. Bowling sides can whinge all they want about batsmen having more and longer breaks. The fact is they still don’t actually try and push through overs very fast and until they do, it is still going to be a point of contention and whether you finish the game early or not is irrelevant: no one knows on day one when THOSE spectators are in the ground wanting to see play progress, what the outcome will be. They don’t care what happens on day five when there’s no play. They want to see their 90 overs of cricket.



It’s a double edged sword and it isn’t all the players’ fault and the ICC could make things easier by not adhering to the existing 6 hours plus half an hour model but the players need to take some responsibility

Wickets and other delays are taken into account when calculating penalties, etc.

As for not enforcing the 6.5-hour limits, I think they were only imposed because play would go on for ages and it was seen as unfair on the batting team to be kept out for an extremely long final session when the bowlers have been cruising. The bowlers also got to bowl their overs in cooler weather, etc.

I agree on the umpires and match referees needing to be stricter during pay, but I also wonder if, given the number of tests that go to the infal session on day five (ie not many) we could get away with dropping half a dozen overs off the required tally, but then increasing the penalties. "There you go, lads - you don't have to bowl as many overs as before but if you don't, we're throwing the book at you." Penalty runs would make it interesting - 10 or 20 runs for every over you don't bowl would make them smarten up.

 

[western royboy]

Wickets and other delays are taken into account when calculating penalties, etc.

As for not enforcing the 6.5-hour limits, I think they were only imposed because play would go on for ages and it was seen as unfair on the batting team to be kept out for an extremely long final session when the bowlers have been cruising. The bowlers also got to bowl their overs in cooler weather, etc.

I agree on the umpires and match referees needing to be stricter during pay, but I also wonder if, given the number of tests that go to the infal session on day five (ie not many) we could get away with dropping half a dozen overs off the required tally, but then increasing the penalties. "There you go, lads - you don't have to bowl as many overs as before but if you don't, we're throwing the book at you." Penalty runs would make it interesting - 10 or 20 runs for every over you don't bowl would make them smarten up.

They’ve got effectively 4 minutes an over less 5 minutes for drinks - it’s not an overly taxing rate.

At community level we get 3 1/2 - it’s up to the Captain, always has been.

 

[Cam Payne]

If you can't bowl 13 overs an hour, you can suck shit and sook. Much like stokes is.

 

[Plugger35]

NZ winning the toss for the 2nd test in Wellington and choosing to bowl first on a green looking pitch, no changes for either team.

 

[Plugger35]

Henry striking early to get Duckett for a duck with a good catch from Latham.

Hopefully that's a sign our catching will be better in this test.

 

[Plugger35]

Henry bowling Crawley with a jaffa, it hasn't been a good series for Crawley so far.

 

[Plugger35]

Nathan Smith getting rid of Root again with a great one handed catch from Mitchell.

 

[yabsy]

What's the old saying - "Catches win matches"

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[Plugger35]

Bethell strangled down the legside after playing some nice shots, a good morning for us so far, hopefully Brook doesn't spoil it.

 

[Kapow!!!]

Brooks definitely looks like he is reaching the next level that admittedly we all thought he'd reach. Very important wicket.

 

[Ohitsthatguy]

Amazing counterattack from Brooks and Pope

Honours even

 

[Plugger35]

Well Brook has spoiled what was looking like a good session for us with that fifty, it's back to even stevens now.

 

[PhatBoy]

Brook is Crawley if Crawley had the bells and whistles.

They both just do not have any inhibitions, do not care what the previous ball did. Absolutely no mental demons whatsoever. But one of them has the technical ability to match what is (or isn’t) between the ears.

If he learns to iron out some of his spin deficiencies he is going to be a terror for a long time for opposition attacks

 

[RookiePick]

Kiwi's likely a bit flat at lunch. Pope and Brooks recommencing the hostilities in style. Bazballah!

 

[Plugger35]

 

[RookiePick]

Lol and NZ have torched a review. England surging ahead.
Edit
Held onto it. umpires call. lucky.

 

[yabsy]

Just realised there's a whopping 17.5 hours of consecutive test cricket action today! With a bit of overlapping between the 3 matches

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