List Mgmt. Nick Austin - Head Of List Management

[Blue_Fusion]

Ok so will go over this best l can and clarify a few issues.

Austin can always say to Voss binns won’t make the grade. Austin did not have to select binns specifically. He had already chosen hollands to add run.

By the way, a player who isn’t good enough does not fulfill a need. Picking binns to provide run did not fulfill a need because he was never going to make.

Binns was rated at the 30-50 draft range. Saying he was never going to make it but then not providing the type that was available that we should have drafted is just whinging for the sake of it.

Re Durdin. He has been injury prone, not the fault of recruiters.

Regardless of injury prone, have you watched him play? He's not up to it.

Motlop had injury issues last year that had a big impact on his season where he was pretty terrible. Let’s just see what he produces injury free. Time will tell.

So far, so not good...

McMullen Gallagher and Richard’s were just names l threw up, taken after our pick, as players who had more afl traits than binns and could be useful foot soldiers. They were used more from a general point of view in identifying afl profile. I’m not even that fussed about them. Was more a casual reference.

Right, a general point of view with the power of cherry picking that would make very little difference to our current situation... so big deal.

I think ginnivan really wanted to go to hawthorn. Also his attitude was quite poor at the time. Yes he’s been good but may never have come to Carlton.

Not the point, we didn't even try.

Not sure what Higgins cost.

Richmond took pick 17 and handed the Saints pick 21. Some later picks were part of it to.

Ps. No doubt binns will be brilliant this week.

Ahh... the typical smart arse sign off remark... like as if I said Binns was a star selection... sorry I got you riled up. Not my fault you can't provide a reasonable alternative to players drafted at #32 and #47 in a draft where 59 players were picked up in total...

 

[Blue_Fusion]

How do you reckon Ginnivan would have gone at Carlton?
Under our current coaching and system?

McRae, who had just won a flag, wanted to get rid of him.
But he’s doing well at Hawthorn, under Mitchell, who I think is an absolute freak.

It’s not just about who you pick.

We'll never know... but his talent was there for all to see...

 

[Michael Jezz]

How many A or B grade players aged 25 or under has Austin recruited in 5 draft trades?
Hollands, Cerra is all I can find

 

[Styxx]

The play to get Jagga may wind up being smart, Austin can't control the kid doing an ACL.

 

[Iamcarlton]

Carlton continues to be a basket case at the draft .
Outside of our 2015 super draft (Weitering Curnow Mckay Silvagni) by my reckoning we have 2 quality players currently on our list (Dekoning & no 1 pick Walsh ) recruited via the draft since the 2015 draft .
That's 9 drafts for 2 bonafide quality players Cripps prior to that just atrocious!! .

Without that 2015 draft and obtaining the services of a number of decent/serviceable players from other clubs (Newman Cerra Saad Acres E Holland's Docherty Hewett
Mcgovern Boyd and possbly a couple others we would have been in massive trouble right now .

Missing out on Papley has seen us roll through a plethora of failed & struggling small forwards .

For mine Cowan Smith & Moir of the rest look like the the only potential difference makers going forward .

Until we get better at the draft we are most likely not winning premierships.

A saving grace is potentially a good crop of future sons/ nga prospects might fingers crossed fall in our laps and balance somewhat the ineptitude of our drafting geniuses

 

[BluesFanatic2025]

The entire list management team has been a shambles. Get rid of Austin, Lloyd and our recruiting team today. Give Wright a free hand to target whoever he wants. I live in hope there is life in this rebuild and we can go on a run to a flag.

 

[Lukeblueboy]

The entire list management team has been a shambles. Get rid of Austin, Lloyd and our recruiting team today. Give Wright a free hand to target whoever he wants. I live in hope there is life in this rebuild and we can go on a run to a flag.

If we can’t get a win in the next couple weeks, then sadly I’ll be starting to feel the same way

 

[Blue_Fusion]

This is my point. Teague was a terrible coach, and we went backwards under him. We did not achieve to the potential of the list.

But the second half of 2019 showed what the list was capable of in 2019. And given the list make-up, we should have been improving year on year.

Yeah agreed we should have been improving, but not to the point where we were ready to take that step to challenge making finals.

Like I said, we entered the second half of the season rejuvenated off the back of Teague coming in and Cripps dominating the Lions. There was no way we were going to rack up 11-12 wins across the whole season though, in fact I can't think of any season where we've been consistent for a very long time now...

We were realistically destined for bottom 6. I remember back in 2018 I said we'd finish last again too... had we hung onto Bolton that would've happened.

Point is, there was no real evidence to go by in the 2018 off season to suggest it was a great idea to trade our future first. .. rather, it was a big risk. Sure, we got one back anyway, but then we split that one again and all we have to show for it now is Kemp. Had we kept our 2019 1st, I also don't have faith that SOS would've picked Serong anyway... he sucked at picking mids.

 

[Stamos]

Had we kept our 2019 1st, I also don't have faith that SOS would've picked Serong anyway... he sucked at picking mids.

We would have taken Young

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

The play to get Jagga may wind up being smart, Austin can't control the kid doing an ACL.

No doubt it will be good business. I'm not sure if we will have enough around him when he reaches his potential, but he is our next generation gun.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

No doubt it will be good business. I'm not sure if we will have enough around him when he reaches his potential, but he is our next generation gun.

I think it was critical for us to draft an A grade mid that can provide a pod for us.

With Cody coming soon too, we might actually be able to build a proper midfield...

 

[BluesFanatic2025]

we might actually be able to build a proper midfield...

Right when our gun key defender, full forward and CHF retire.

We cannot catch a break. In 2011 we had an amazing midfield but no good KPP other than Fevola.

Now we did the reverse - great spine but terrible mids.

Can we all chip in and get some form of spirit relief or curse lifter down the Princess Park? I will put in the first $1,000

 

[Stamos]

Right when our gun key defender, full forward and CHF retire.

We cannot catch a break. In 2011 we had an amazing midfield but no good KPP other than Fevola.

Now we did the reverse - great spine but terrible mids.

Can we all chip in and get some form of spirit relief or curse lifter down the Princess Park? I will put in the first $1,000

Terrible mids?

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Our mids aren't terrible...

It's the mix which is our biggest problem...

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Right when our gun key defender, full forward and CHF retire.

We cannot catch a break. In 2011 we had an amazing midfield but no good KPP other than Fevola.

Now we did the reverse - great spine but terrible mids.

Can we all chip in and get some form of spirit relief or curse lifter down the Princess Park? I will put in the first $1,000

Don't lose all hope...

Collingwoods KPPs in the 2023 gf were:

Moore, Frampton, Mihocek and Cox...

 

[Aphrodite]

Right when our gun key defender, full forward and CHF retire.

We cannot catch a break. In 2011 we had an amazing midfield but no good KPP other than Fevola.

Now we did the reverse - great spine but terrible mids.

Can we all chip in and get some form of spirit relief or curse lifter down the Princess Park? I will put in the first $1,000

Princes Park

 

[Michael Jezz]

No doubt it will be good business. I'm not sure if we will have enough around him when he reaches his potential, but he is our next generation gun.

If you look at our list profile, we need to replace half our midfield, 3/4 of our backline, half our forward line in the next 2 or 3 years. If we don't deliver on drafting and trading, we become a bottom 4 side. Instead of viewing our future midfield of Jagga, Bcampo and walker with rose coloured glasses we need to focus on recruiting a big bodied burst from stoppage mid to compliment their upside

 

[jpfalvo]

If you look at our list profile, we need to replace half our midfield, 3/4 of our backline, half our forward line in the next 2 or 3 years. If we don't deliver on drafting and trading, we become a bottom 4 side. Instead of viewing our future midfield of Jagga, Bcampo and walker with rose coloured glasses we need to focus on recruiting a big bodied burst from stoppage mid to compliment their upside

I agree.

Particularly Cody Walker talk, of some immediate saviour

The kid is not even on the list, and so far is playing well against kids his age.

Total unknown as to how he goes against men, when finally drafted.

We need to focus on what we can control now, not place all our future on a f/s prospect

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[Soapy V]

Not saying Austin isn't accountable...

But Voss did drive decisions such as Ollie over Weddle for example.

Pushed hard for Houston over draft picks

 

[bigdog43]

I agree.

Particularly Cody Walker talk, of some immediate saviour

The kid is not even on the list, and so far is playing well against kids his age.

Total unknown as to how he goes against men, when finally drafted.

We need to focus on what we can control now, not place all our future on a f/s prospect

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He played Seniors for Echuca as a 16 year old and played very well. Unsure about whether he'll be pick 1 but I feel confident he's a first round talent. If that's the case, I think we'll trade next year's first to get back into the first round of this year's draft.

 

[JustaBattler]

Dow SPS O'Brien Fisher - massive high pick fails all of them very hard to come back from that - especially when you have to use a top 6 pick to get Cerra to replace one of Dow or SPS and you are carrying stoopid high contracts for McGovern, Martin and Williams on top of carrying perennially injured Marchbank and Cuningham.

a cesspool of fail..

and then you get a player in like E Hollands who mysteriously comes up with "personal issues" and a top 3 pick who does an ACL in pre-season praccy game FFS

then you look at Lemmey ( tissue paper 2 meter player) Moir (who cant get interested enough to get fit because too many other fings to do) or Obrien who looks the goods but is injured ALL THE TIME alongside little Durdin who is INJURED ALL THE TIME

FMD_ the list is a shambles in its current state.

but hey let play Wilson ( somewhere becaus ehe looks like he has some eg speed or last year's Dow Binns who cant kick to save himself and is a smaller version of O Hollands sans the hard it factor....

all too hard for me to get my mind around tbh - so supportes are left with looking for good things that happen in a game which is likely to be lost because the whole AFL side is chocka block full of mids who cant kick or urn in threes - kicking to Charlie who is unjured more than not and Harry who hasnt figured out thta he is one of the biggest bodies in the game yet.

oh and lets not talk about Young ( klooks liek TYarzan play like Jane) or McGovern who isnt a defender's bootlace.

sAcK vOsS - what a joke.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Pushed hard for Houston over draft picks

Yep. To be honest, coaches will always prefer to recruit for the now, especially when their side is pushing for a flag.

Long term though, going after Jagga was the right strategy. Just have to hope he can become the player we think he will.

 

[CoachB]

2022 Pick 32 - After pick 32 l didnt know the players well enough pre draft. I would be cherry picking with hindsight. Harvey Gallagher, Toby mcmullin did get a little bit of my interest at the time. My main point would be that Binns was highly likely to fail given his type. It was like throwing pick 32 away. Some of the other selections had a better profile for afl.

Lemmey isn’t a big deal at 47 but l didn’t think he was a need at the time. Collingwood took Joe Richard’s with the very next pick. He was a type that would have suited us and probably had a better profile for afl. Must admit didn’t know much about him at the time.

I don’t mind the Motlop durdin selections. For pick 37 Durdin looked the goods in 2022 but has been injury plagued since. Motlop has talent but work rate an issue. I still believe he can make it. On the whole, Carlton has put little effort and capital into small forwards. Motlop, durdin, Fogarty, fantasia, Evan’s, white. That is like doing as little as possible in terms of investment. Yes it’s true we haven’t had as much draft capital to play with but for instance the binns and lemmey picks could have been focused in this area if it was made a priority.


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Why do we keep picking small smalls, can't we pick a small that can take a grab. Our lack of marking options in the forward 50 combined with our abysmal forward 50 entries make us very easy to defend. And more importantly rebound from, and I think our inability to stop rebound is our number one issue, when we can't stop the ball and get set up, we get hurt going the other way.

 

[DangerousD]

then you look at Lemmey ( tissue paper 2 meter player) Moir (who cant get interested enough to get fit because too many other fings to do) or Obrien who looks the goods but is injured ALL THE TIME alongside little Durdin who is INJURED ALL THE TIME

It’s worth a discussion if the picks of Moir and Lemmey aren’t just lazy recruiting, both were tipped for top 5 a year out from the draft and both fell away drastically, we pick them up and its clear as why they slid so far, so why recruit them? Or was it simply a gamble?
I was very critical of SOS for being obsessed with former 1st round picks as i thought he was gambling that with a change of scenery or something, that they would all of sudden become the player everyone previously thought they could become, now i feel Austin has done the same, not only with Lemmey and Moir but Hollands too.

 

[JustaBattler]

It’s worth a discussion if the picks of Moir and Lemmey aren’t just lazy recruiting, both were tipped for top 5 a year out from the draft and both fell away drastically, we pick them up and its clear as why they slid so far, so why recruit them? Or was it simply a gamble?
I was very critical of SOS for being obsessed with former 1st round picks as i thought he was gambling that with a change of scenery or something, that they would all of sudden become the player everyone previously thought they could become, now i feel Austin has done the same, not only with Lemmey and Moir but Hollands too.

I can't get over the Richmond loss - to me that was even worse than the brain fart effort against Brisbane in the final. Sick of making excuses for the lot of them tbh.

E Hollands ? - lets not start THAT discussion....
Lemmey? put some fken weight on to those bones son - right now all you are is a giant flaky flimsy bedsheet flapping in the breeze.