Opinion Non-Crows AFL 6: This Is Getting Cruel

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latinoheat said:
What’s spot betting?
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lol. No problems.

An example in the AFL would be say for the Showdown game in Round 3, betting if Laird (who had 31 disposals) would get more Brownlow votes than Dawson (who had 24 disposals).

Incidentally, Dawson got 2 votes for this game, Laird 0.

In the above example, if you knew an umpire who was polling the votes for that game, all he would need to say is Laird didnt get any votes to be enough of inside information, without really saying who got the votes.

Other examples of spot betting, is betting on say Fogarty to poll votes in 2 or more Crows games.
 
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AFL Brownlow Medal betting scandal: Two red-flag games at centre of investigation​

Two games are at the centre of the Brownlow Medal voting leak scandal, with the surprise outcomes putting them front and square in the eyes of the betting agencies.

Two games where field umpire Michael Pell was an emergency umpire are at the centre of the Brownlow Medal voting leak scandal.
While police investigators scrutinised the 16 games Pell officiated throughout the 2022 season, red flags were also raised about when he was the back-up fourth umpire where he was present during the Brownlow voting discussion after the game.

The three field umpires can choose to confer with the emergency umpire who while they don’t have any input into the final voting, they are aware of the final decision.

Pell was the emergency umpire for the Round 13 Queen’s Birthday Clash between Collingwood and Melbourne which threw up some voting controversy at the time.

Magpies forward Brody Mihocek was the surprise winner of the three votes on Brownlow Medal night with his 16 disposals and four goals edging out Demons superstar Clayton Oliver who on the day was awarded the Neale Daniher Trophy for his 43-possession game.

Many thought Collingwood ruckman Mason Cox - who the umpires gave one Brownlow Medal vote to - was best-on-ground after a stellar second half turned the game with 21 touches, eight marks, nine hitouts and a goal.

The other game which raised suspicion was the Round 23 clash between St Kilda and Sydney where retiring veteran Dan Hannebery surprised many by getting the three Brownlow votes for 30 disposals, six tackles and seven clearances in the Saints loss.

No Swans players featured with Ben Long getting two votes and St Kilda captain Jack Steele one vote. Sydney forward Isaac Heeney was thought to be desperately unlucky after collecting 23 disposals, six marks and two goals.

In both of these games the surprise nature of the Brownlow voting put them front and square in the eyes of the betting agencies regarding any suspicious activity.
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Mutineer said:

AFL Brownlow Medal betting scandal: Two red-flag games at centre of investigation​

Two games are at the centre of the Brownlow Medal voting leak scandal, with the surprise outcomes putting them front and square in the eyes of the betting agencies.
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Isn't this rubbish, though? From what I've read, the problem was the leaking of votes after they were made, rather than any suggestion that the actual voting was influenced. It was the betting patterns leading to the identification of the relevant games, and, therefore, personnel.
 
BRL121 said:
Isn't this rubbish, though? From what I've read, the problem was the leaking of votes after they were made, rather than any suggestion that the actual voting was influenced. It was the betting patterns leading to the identification of the relevant games, and, therefore, personnel.
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I assume the issue is more that if the same person was nailing these shock votes in their bets that this was a flag that it seemed unlikely without inside info. That and/or the size of the bets on these outcomes was considered unusual (and perhaps inconsistent with the size these people usually bet)
 
BRL121 said:
Isn't this rubbish, though? From what I've read, the problem was the leaking of votes after they were made, rather than any suggestion that the actual voting was influenced. It was the betting patterns leading to the identification of the relevant games, and, therefore, personnel.
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The investigations are at a very early stage. And it's difficult enough to prove that information was leaked to people who made large bets on the outcomes.

Even more difficult to prove is that the Brownlow votes awarded by umpires weren't unduly influenced. Obviously, the more that the votes differ from expectations, the more the betting odds increase. And there have been some pretty incredible votes awarded in the past. Andrew McLeod robbed of a Brownlow after failing to get a vote in a 40+ possession game (as an example).

As long as there is betting, there will be people seeking to fix results. The AFL so far manage to catch the "big fish" like Goody having a punt or Jaiden Stephenson backing himself to kick a goal for loose change. This (sports betting) is a multi million $ business.

Just my opinion, but they have almost bumbled across this particular case, and perhaps it could be pretty isolated. The "one bad egg" in the umpiring fraternity. But there's been stuff going on for years, and you would be pretty naive to believe that players and umpires have never been approached to influence results. If so, our sport would be pretty unique.....
 
tinman said:
The investigations are at a very early stage. And it's difficult enough to prove that information was leaked to people who made large bets on the outcomes.

Even more difficult to prove is that the Brownlow votes awarded by umpires weren't unduly influenced. Obviously, the more that the votes differ from expectations, the more the betting odds increase. And there have been some pretty incredible votes awarded in the past. Andrew McLeod robbed of a Brownlow after failing to get a vote in a 40+ possession game (as an example).

As long as there is betting, there will be people seeking to fix results. The AFL so far manage to catch the "big fish" like Goody having a punt or Jaiden Stephenson backing himself to kick a goal for loose change. This (sports betting) is a multi million $ business.

Just my opinion, but they have almost bumbled across this particular case, and perhaps it could be pretty isolated. The "one bad egg" in the umpiring fraternity. But there's been stuff going on for years, and you would be pretty naive to believe that players and umpires have never been approached to influence results. If so, our sport would be pretty unique.....
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When Spot betting is available, you can be guaranteed there is some form of corrupt activity going on.

It's a major concern that the AFL is in bed with betting agencies.
 
Kane McGoodwin said:
When Spot betting is available, you can be guaranteed there is some form of corrupt activity going on.

It's a major concern that the AFL is in bed with betting agencies.
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Do you think if the AFL weren't "in bed" with betting agencies they wouldn't offer spot betting?

Betting agencies offer odds on just about everything, I like bagging the AFL as they make so many mistakes but criticising them because betting agencies offer odds on the AFL is strange.

Do you bag political parties, TV shows, Emmy awards etc etc - you can bet on practically every thing.

My understanding was the AFL thought it was better accept sponsors dollars from the betting agencies to enable some "oversight" on the players gambling. Sticking their head in the sand was a pointless exercise.
 
Kane McGoodwin said:
When Spot betting is available, you can be guaranteed there is some form of corrupt activity going on.

It's a major concern that the AFL is in bed with betting agencies.
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Do a sponsorship with Gina & the all hell breaks loose ......AFL Betting alignment & AFL Players say ... nothing to see here

Why ? .....because so many players gamble .....young 18 yo's inducted into the world of AFL gambling

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For us who never saw Lukosius as a pick #2 .....but more a Jack Watts clone .....Drafted as a future fwd, it looks like he's going to be hidden in the backlines ....as another bruise free player, living off his kicking prowess

But that kick falters under AFL pressure ....

Brad Johnson wants to see Gold Coast utility Jack Lukosius settled down across half back.
The second pick in the 2018 National Draft was drafted as a marking forward, but played his best footy in defence given his rebound and disposal by foot.

Lukosius was pushed further up the ground in 2022 with mixed results as his kicking let him down at times.

The 2018 draft has proven to be one of the great crops, with the likes of Sam Walsh, Izak Rankine, Max King, Connor Rozee, Ben King, Bailey Smith, Nick Blakey and Zak Butters in the top 12 picks.

Johnson would like to see Lukosius have a big summer and build his game across half back.

“I think his best position is probably across half back. I think trying to play high half forward, I understand them trying to use his ball-use inside 50 – which at times was unbelievable and at other times he missed the target by the length of the straight,” the Bulldogs great told Sportsday.

“I think off half-back, they should try and settle him down. They’ve got to get serious with that in the pre-season and do extra kicking with this guy to get it to the level required consistently.”
Gerard Healy agreed, adding: “I think if they’re going to be a serious team, he’s got to play like a top draft pick.”
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The Suns top five Suns draftee who needs a big pre-season

“I think if they’re going to be a serious team, he’s got to play like a top draft pick.”
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WaynesWorld19 said:
For us who never saw Lukosius as a pick #2 .....but more a Jack Watts clone .....Drafted as a future fwd, it looks like he's going to be hidden in the backlines ....as another bruise free player, living off his kicking prowess

But that kick falters under AFL pressure ....


The Suns top five Suns draftee who needs a big pre-season

“I think if they’re going to be a serious team, he’s got to play like a top draft pick.”
www.sen.com.au www.sen.com.au
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Yep I could never understand the hype at the time.
 
WaynesWorld19 said:
Do a sponsorship with Gina & the all hell breaks loose ......AFL Betting alignment & AFL Players say ... nothing to see here

Why ? .....because so many players gamble .....young 18 yo's inducted into the world of AFL gambling

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It's interesting. A new employee has just started at my work after moving here from Canada. I asked her what differences she noticed and the first thing she said was that betting seemed to be really huge in Australia, it was literally everywhere, and it was really shocking to her.
 
GameofSloanes said:
It's interesting. A new employee has just started at my work after moving here from Canada. I asked her what differences she noticed and the first thing she said was that betting seemed to be really huge in Australia, it was literally everywhere, and it was really shocking to her.
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It's a blight on society !
 
rocket18 said:
Do you think if the AFL weren't "in bed" with betting agencies they wouldn't offer spot betting?

Betting agencies offer odds on just about everything, I like bagging the AFL as they make so many mistakes but criticising them because betting agencies offer odds on the AFL is strange.

Do you bag political parties, TV shows, Emmy awards etc etc - you can bet on practically every thing.

My understanding was the AFL thought it was better accept sponsors dollars from the betting agencies to enable some "oversight" on the players gambling. Sticking their head in the sand was a pointless exercise.
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I have a problem with spot betting full stop... not just AFL.

Spot betting encourages corrupt activity... particularly in Sport.

We have seen it go on in cricket, which has ruined many careers.

Too much gambling in society is unhealthy imo.
 
Kane McGoodwin said:
We have seen it go on in cricket, which has ruined many careers.
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Which is why 20 over match's became so popular .....more match's, more gambling opportunities

Is it drawing too long a Bow ? ......corruption has many influences
 
I'm sure this is the only link with dodgy betting the AFL has. No way this could be the thin edge of the wedge. The only issue here is that ONE person made a bad decision that didn't actually influence ANYTHING.

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baldandbroke said:
I'm sure this is the only link with dodgy betting the AFL has. No way this could be the thin edge of the wedge. The only issue here is that ONE person made a bad decision that didn't actually influence ANYTHING.

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Except their wallets ! .....and now, the trust of the public
 
Kane McGoodwin said:
I have a problem with spot betting full stop... not just AFL.

Spot betting encourages corrupt activity... particularly in Sport.

We have seen it go on in cricket, which has ruined many careers.

Too much gambling in society is unhealthy imo.
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On the Punting Forum, unfortunately at times I see the dark side of gambling, where punters are just "swinging" away and continue to do so, hoping for that one big one to get out of a "hole".

I actually do agree that there is too much gambling in society and just looking at the AFL, I really dislike seeing the odds always come up for games and all the other outcomes. Given the viewing audience also includes children it sets them up and programs some of them to one day go down the path of punting on the AFL.
 
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