MFC Fans Only Non-Dees Footy Chat 2022

[mrmonkey]

Good teams don't get smashed in a GF.
Melbourne 00, Port after 07, GWS 19 and the Dogs aswell. If anyone can buck that trend it's the swans but Geez it normally kills the group

To be fair no team were getting near essendon in 2000, Geelong in 07 and Richmond 19. Sydney were a good team in 2014 and got absolutely spanked by hawthorn by 63 points and were still a good team, West Coast in 2015 as well got thumped in the grand final but were still decent the next year. Essendon got thumped by 83 points in 83 which was the record at the time, Essendon went on to win 84, 85. I think what happened yesterday was Sydney over achieved with a young list and got bullied by a much more experienced team, I think Geelong probably smash any team anyway they just had a dominant year.

 

[TheDarkDwarf]

Buddy's played in 6 Grand finals for 2 wins 4 losses.

Still better than Rene Kink who played in six for zero wins.

 

[Bluelegs]

Think the losing swans one against the Hawks he went allright but nah.

Fair enough, think that was one year where I couldn't watch for some reason.

 

[netslave]

I don't think you can argue that at all.

Sure you can.

They've made finals every year but one that he's coached, he has the best H/A record ever and he's now made 3 GFs for 2 wins. Every single year he produces a side capable of challenging almost. Who cares what he is as a person hes a very good coach.

Give Goodwin that team and home ground advantage and he may well have snagged 4 or 5 premierships in that time and he's an average coach.

 

[Bluelegs]

Sure you can.

Give Goodwin that team and home ground advantage and he may well have snagged 4 or 5 premierships in that time and he's an average coach.

By this logic you can't judge any coach on any results. They may all be bad, good or average depending on their list. Useless way of thinking about it.

 

[netslave]

By this logic you can't judge any coach on any results. They may all be bad, good or average depending on their list. Useless way of thinking about it.

You can have a great list and underperform by not winning as many finals as you could/should and vice versa.
How else would you judge it?

 

[mrmonkey]

Sure you can.

Give Goodwin that team and home ground advantage and he may well have snagged 4 or 5 premierships in that time and he's an average coach.

I don't think their list is anything special it's not their 07-11 list. The Geelong list from 16 to now I've never really rated them that highly bar a few players, most the list are players that are just doing their role. Scott's finally got them playing really well as a unit.

 

[Bluelegs]

You can have a great list and underperform by not winning as many finals as you could/should and vice versa.
How else would you judge it?

He's missed finals once in a decade while slowly overturning the entire list competing deep into finals in most years. How is that underperforming? Two flags from three grand finals.

 

[netslave]

He's missed finals once in a decade while slowly overturning the entire list competing deep into finals in most years. How is that underperforming? Two flags from three grand finals.

Geelong and Scott have been the laughing stock of the AFL for making finals and losing, even Geelong supporters wanted him gone for not winning finals.
Making finals is a good achievement but if you don't win the big one, its ultimately a fail.
They have a home ground advantage that virtually gets them enough wins to get them into the eight every year, that will extend to finals once they start to play finals games there as well.
He did coach well this year, as I've already acknowledged bit I'd have someone like McRae at the Pies who had a better effort.

 

[Dory_77]

I don't think their list is anything special it's not their 07-11 list. The Geelong list from 16 to now I've never really rated them that highly bar a few players, most the list are players that are just doing their role. Scott's finally got them playing really well as a unit.

They seem very balanced. Have a good spread of quality players on each line and most of their players are pretty flexible (except Hawkins).

 

[Topkent]

Sure you can.

Give Goodwin that team and home ground advantage and he may well have snagged 4 or 5 premierships in that time and he's an average coach.

That's one of the dumbest things I've ever read on here mate well done.

 

[netslave]

That's one of the dumbest things I've ever read on here mate well done.

You've said that quite a few times before around here, I'm sure it won't be the last.

 

[Bluelegs]

Geelong and Scott have been the laughing stock of the AFL for making finals and losing, even Geelong supporters wanted him gone for not winning finals.
Making finals is a good achievement but if you don't win the big one, its ultimately a fail.
They have a home ground advantage that virtually gets them enough wins to get them into the eight every year, that will extend to finals once they start to play finals games there as well.
He did coach well this year, as I've already acknowledged bit I'd have someone like McRae at the Pies who had a better effort.

Mate, we were the laughing stock of the AFL for most of Scott's tenure. You can laugh at Geelong losing finals but for the most part it's tall poppy syndrome.

I doubt most people would have rated Geelong as having the best list in most years since Scott took over but they have always contended. I don't know how you can say they have under-performed by being beaten by superior sides in Finals.

A lot is said about Geelong's home ground advantage but they have never feared playing away from home so it's not really that important.

I rate McCrae but Collingwood could have just as easily lost as many close games as they won this year. Luck is a big part of winning tight ones like that. Geelong were clinical all year and rarely looked like losing.

 

[Topkent]

You've said that quite a few times before around here, I'm sure it won't be the last.

People keep supplying.
There's no way you couldn't counter your statement by saying Chris Scott would never have let our list flop as hard as Goodwin with the talent on it.

 

[Topkent]

Mate, we were the laughing stock of the AFL for most of Scott's tenure. You can laugh at Geelong losing finals but for the most part it's tall poppy syndrome.

I doubt most people would have rated Geelong as having the best list in most years since Scott took over but they have always contended. I don't know how you can say they have under-performed by being beaten by superior sides in Finals.

A lot is said about Geelong's home ground advantage but they have never feared playing away from home so it's not really that important.

I rate McCrae but Collingwood could have just as easily lost as many close games as they won this year. Luck is a big part of winning tight ones like that. Geelong were clinical all year and rarely looked like losing.

Collingwood's one season at 105% losing a prelim is better than 2x premiership one time missing finals Scott. What a hilariously wrong thing to say.

 

[Scythe94]

 

[Toump Ass]

The world's greatest Home And Away Winning Percentage means nothing without a premiership to go with it, absolutely nothing.

We were justified in ridiculing Scott. Because if you don't win it all, you don't win at all, and all that mighty Geelong Cat had for a decade of finals finishes was one big bag of sweet fk all. And don't tell me they were contending all that time either, even when they finished top of the ladder they looked fragile going into those finals, weak, "old and slow", making up the numbers.

But, it's all moot now, sadly. They finally got it right, that prick Scott did it, he turned Gary Rohan

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into a premiership hero.

Good on 'em, I can't wait to wipe the floor with them next year.

 

[netslave]

Collingwood's one season at 105% losing a prelim is better than 2x premiership one time missing finals Scott. What a hilariously wrong thing to say.

Not many would have predicted Collingwood to make a PF this year, McRae coached well above expectation this season.
Wrong in your opinion, which you are quite welcome to.

 

[Bluelegs]

Not many would have predicted Collingwood to make a PF this year, McRae coached well above expectation this season.
Wrong in your opinion, which you are quite welcome to.

Scott should just tank for a season so he can make top 4 the next year and be a hero. Probably win coach of the year too.

 

[netslave]

Scott should just tank for a season so he can make top 4 the next year and be a hero. Probably win coach of the year too.

They're due for a trip back down the ladder when 1/3 of their team retires at some stage

 

[Bluelegs]

They're due for a trip back down the ladder when 1/3 of their team retires at some stage

Maybe. Kinda believe it when I see it. There was no way they should have won the flag with their age profile.

 

[Proper Gander]

Kinda fine with the granny, with the pressure off with us slogging through the back half of the season and getting dumped out of finals, i don't feel the anxiety and worry of us trying to find form or get there again, i kinda feel okay in just enjoying neutral footy

Top shelf avatar there PF. I love it

 

[PerfectFooty]

Top shelf avatar there PF. I love it

My favourite player in the AFLW!

 

[Topkent]

Not many would have predicted Collingwood to make a PF this year, McRae coached well above expectation this season.
Wrong in your opinion, which you are quite welcome to.

But if you're only rating flags then McRae didn't achieve anything.

If you lose a GF because of innacury or injury or some bad umpiring that doesn't make it a poorly coached season that's just luck.

 

[Crusty Demon]

They're due for a trip back down the ladder when 1/3 of their team retires at some stage

Geelong never bottom out. They haven't in 50 years. Lowest amount of games won in that period is 7. They've made it incredibly hard to win at their home, they have a huge talent pool in that area which allows them to attract players home, winning culture, extremely well run club. Even now with the oldest side to ever take the field, they are rebuilding a nice young list under everyone's noses.