Oppo Camp Non Geelong football (AFL) discussion 2021/2022

[CatToTheFuture]

I respect the point about the SANFL but ive seen about as much of that as Jennifer Lawrence has of me close up.

NONE.

I still think players will let a ball roll OOB more to gain a free kick and clear possession than take it themselves - and that IMO goes against the grain of the game as I follow it.

If we are talking about the DOOB rule.. and removing that interpretation aspect - IMO the Umps need to have a clearer understanding of decent intent...

A ball bouncing to the line after 2-6 bounces on a kick is not insufficient intent - but the rule needs to be clarified for them.

Go Catters

You're right they would, which is why you don't kick it there. It forces your kicks to target the corridor more.

The whole point of the sanfl rule is that it doesn't need clarification. It's black and white out the box and drives more free-flowing footy naturally.

If you have 5 mins just watch a random passage of that GF I posted. It works and has for years. The rule we have doesn't.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

But it is a clear simple rule. It also adds an element of risk to the practice of running down the clock when ahead in the last quarter by kicking back into the arc.

I'm not against trialling it in a practice match, I'd just want it trialled in a practice match.

 

[standupand]

I respect the point about the SANFL but ive seen about as much of that as Jennifer Lawrence has of me close up.

NONE.

I still think players will let a ball roll OOB more to gain a free kick and clear possession than take it themselves - and that IMO goes against the grain of the game as I follow it.

If we are talking about the DOOB rule.. and removing that interpretation aspect - IMO the Umps need to have a clearer understanding of decent intent...

A ball bouncing to the line after 2-6 bounces on a kick is not insufficient intent - but the rule needs to be clarified for them.

Go Catters

I think in the SANFL the ump can decide to throw it in if a player shepherds it out when they could have taken possession themselves. So there's still a bit of a subjective element. It'd be nice if umps didn't have to imagine what "intent" was but only the objective facts, but I've come to the conclusion that it's just part of the game and part of the reason you need good umpires.
Actually the notion of insufficient intent has always been part of the holding the ball rule too. A player who was tackled needed to at least attempt to get rid of it (ie to keep it in play). The same rule I think could also be applied against the tackling player/team who, rather than seeking to "win" possession off the tackled player, seeks instead to simply tackle and lock the ball in.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I think in the SANFL the ump can decide to throw it in if a player shepherds it out when they could have taken possession themselves. So there's still a bit of a subjective element. It'd be nice if umps didn't have to imagine what "intent" was but only the objective facts, but I've come to the conclusion that it's just part of the game and part of the reason you need good umpires.
Actually the notion of insufficient intent has always been part of the holding the ball rule too. A player who was tackled needed to at least attempt to get rid of it (ie to keep it in play). The same rule I think could also be applied against the tackling player/team who, rather than seeking to "win" possession off the tackled player, seeks instead to simply tackle and lock the ball in.

Yeah it's always been a part of umpiring but the more we rely on interpretation the harder it is to translate the game to people that weren't born into it.

Wasn't aware of the shepherding part of the rules for sanfl. I don't watch heaps of it but don't think I've ever seen anyone do it. Maybe that's why

 

[Turbocat]

Just what team could possible take the risk on DeGoey as a Fee Agent... Sydney? Richmond? ... I think if I was Collingwood with their list starting to take shape... id consider getting an early R1 or even and end of R1 ...take it and run. Who knows maybe they add someone like JClark ... with the pick. What they do with Grundy might be more difficult... they could endup pay close to1M dollars if they tried to off load him and pay some of his money along with Treloar...


It makes me think about our list management. I can remember going back to 2018 .... when we signed up Mark Blitz for a long term 5 year deal. There were questions about the length at his age ...but it has been a brilliant piece of list management... I think we signed Cameron on a long deal ...and I guess the jury is out..but this year is paying its way for sure. Stewart, Duncan signed till the end of 2024, CGuthrie till 2025... we have shown we are happy to give longish contracts... to the guys going into their 30's... I think the advantage is it locks up the salcap.. it makes it predictable. ... and luckily we have not had too many loose cannons.

 

[My Tilly]

Essendon aren't far away from putting it all together. Really bullish about their prospects next year. It feels like Stringer's been around for well over a decade but he only just turned 28 and if he can have a big preseason, they have an emerging forward line which will test the very best.

Draper looking good too. Only his 34th match and now beginning to influence contests over four quarters.

 

[Baudolino]

If you have 5 mins just watch a random passage of that GF I posted. It works and has for years. The rule we have doesn't.

Do you know whether it drives up the stats for average score per game at all?

 

[Copernicus]

Who needs that, I'm learning R so I can finally follow football the way it was always meant to be.

Forget R, switch to python and pandas.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Do you know whether it drives up the stats for average score per game at all?

No idea. But it makes the umpires less of a talking point

 

[CatToTheFuture]

New favourite oppo player, Brynn Teakle

 

[Copernicus]

New favourite oppo player, Brynn Teakle

That was a fine mozz you laid on the poor bloke.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

That was a fine mozz you laid on the poor bloke.

Yep, I might have ended his career there

 

[Turbocat]

New favourite oppo player, Brynn Teakle

One can see why we were linked to him.


Funny how Port and our drafting seems to line up a fair bit. I think there was debate over the 2019 draft .. where we were both interested in Dek and Georgiades

 

[STPer18]

Swans going down here would be nice for us.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Swans going down here would be nice for us.

I'm watching it first hand and they're heinous. They're not coming back in this one

Edit: wonder if this will be 2 from 2 in the mozz stakes from me

 

[BotsMaster]

I'm watching it first hand and they're heinous. They're not coming back in this one

Edit: wonder if this will be 2 from 2 in the mozz stakes from me

Did you mean Heeneyous?

 

[Strange Cat]

Port destroyed Syd…wasn’t expecting that

 

[Turkey Tom]

Port destroyed Syd…wasn’t expecting that

My tips so far 0 for 3.

 

[BotsMaster]

Carn Giants

 

[The Casey Cat]

Carn Giants

Open game here, 37-27 to Dogs in the first.

 

[BotsMaster]

The post-goal music is so ****ing loud.

 

[Grimoz]

Nice karate kick Weightman you flog!!!

 

[you pick one]

The joints flooded with free tickets to the Suns game again this arvo,Might slip down for a look perfect day shorts and tee shirt weather.

 

[thecatattack]

 

[My Tilly]

Nope. He was lazy and would only be playing in the VFL he was still on our list.