Oppo Camp Non Geelong football (AFL) discussion 2022, part II

[goyoucatters]

As you said, so far from the truth it's embarrassing

Just so embarrassing for all parties involved.

If Carey is adamant there wasn't an issue with the substance, he should have insisted that it be tested.

And if Crown were certain there was an issue, they should have insisted that it be tested.

As it is, everyone can now play 'He said, they said' till the cows come home.

Utter farce.

 

[rocker_oz33]

What's happening .

Cordy pissed as legless .

Ross the Toss.
No vide st the bombers job .

It's Mambo ...

 

[Strange Cat]

Just so embarrassing for all parties involved.

If Carey is adamant there wasn't an issue with the substance, he should have insisted that it be tested.

And if Crown were certain there was an issue, they should have insisted that it be tested.

As it is, everyone can now play 'He said, they said' till the cows come home.

Utter farce.

Why would crown do testing ? They are a business and have the right to refuse entry…anybody seeing a ziplock bag full of powder outside of a laundromat will quite rightly know what it is in. They were well in their right to call the police so Carey should be thanking them for only banning him for a few years.

This is just Carey trying to save his media career

 

[year of the cat]

As you said, so far from the truth it's embarrassing

I'm almost cringing for him. It's such a fanciful explanation. As if he'd be crushing a tablet to use in powder form and neatly package it in a small zip lock bag that just happens to be the same type of bag that cocaine is packaged in. Yeh, right Wayne.

 

[goyoucatters]

Why would crown do testing ? They are a business and have the right to refuse entry…anybody seeing a ziplock bag full of powder outside of a laundromat will quite rightly know what it is in. They were well in their right to call the police so Carey should be thanking them for only banning him for a few years.

This is just Carey trying to save his media career

So Carey can't maintain this charade that he really did nothing wrong. And that they have supposedly been heavy-handed in banning him for just carrying a prescribed substance in his pocket.

Did they really think he was just going to roll over and walk away without throwing the focus back onto their 'policies'? To neither call the police nor test the substance meant they were always going to be open to allegations that they acted without being able to substantiate the basis for their removal of Carey from their venue. The way it's gone down, Carey is absolutely within his rights to challenge the legal basis for the ban. And that is totally on Crown's mismanagement of what was a straightforward situation.

Despite Lyon's explanation this week, 'It's the vibe' is never a suitable explanation for anything. Let alone why an individual is now banned from your premises for years.

 

[Hamingja]

You know you are in trouble when Libba is the responsible adult there

 

[year of the cat]

You know you are in trouble when Libba is the responsible adult there

Gardner paying closer attention to Cordy than he did his oppenent last Saturday was my take away.

 

[Strange Cat]

So Carey can't maintain this charade that he really did nothing wrong. And that they have supposedly been heavy-handed in banning him for just carrying a prescribed substance in his pocket.

Did they really think he was just going to roll over and walk away without throwing the focus back onto their 'policies'? To neither call the police nor test the substance meant they were always going to be open to allegations that they acted without being able to substantiate the basis for their removal of Carey from their venue. The way it's gone down, Carey is absolutely within his rights to challenge the legal basis for the ban. And that is totally on Crown's mismanagement of what was a straightforward situation.

Despite Lyon's explanation this week, 'It's the vibe' is never a suitable explanation for anything. Let alone why an individual is now banned from your premises for years.

People have been banned for less , and the claim of it being crushed pills for pain management falls on the assumptions that Carey wouldn’t overdose not knowing how much of it he was taking …it’s all bullshit and the general public and crown would know that

You don’t carry around a ziplock bag full of crushed prescribed medications that would 100% results in an overdose and would indicate he’s abusing that medication anyway …..the court will rightly say Crown were well in their rights to refused services to Carey and uphold the ban….and I can’t believe I’m defending Crown but here we are, they have a terms and conditions to entry so they can refuse services if they believe you have breached them.

 

[Spearman]

So Carey can't maintain this charade that he really did nothing wrong. And that they have supposedly been heavy-handed in banning him for just carrying a prescribed substance in his pocket.

Did they really think he was just going to roll over and walk away without throwing the focus back onto their 'policies'? To neither call the police nor test the substance meant they were always going to be open to allegations that they acted without being able to substantiate the basis for their removal of Carey from their venue. The way it's gone down, Carey is absolutely within his rights to challenge the legal basis for the ban. And that is totally on Crown's mismanagement of what was a straightforward situation.

Despite Lyon's explanation this week, 'It's the vibe' is never a suitable explanation for anything. Let alone why an individual is now banned from your premises for years.

maybe do the challenging there and then?

No one will totally believe it now if he produces a packet for testing. If at the moment of confrontation he started his protesting because he knew he had meds, he would already be exonerated.

 

[David the Cat]

Would he agree to having a hair test for drugs?

I suspect that would be an emphatic no.

 

[goyoucatters]

maybe do the challenging there and then?

No one will totally believe it now if he produces a packet for testing. If at the moment of confrontation he started his protesting because he knew he had meds, he would already be exonerated.

I'm not defending Carey at all. I share the sentiment that he was definitely in possession of a prohibited substance. Doesn't change the fact that Crown's handling of the matter has been utterly abysmal. Hiding behind the 'right to refuse entry' does nothing to assist anyone. But is apparently the palatable P.R. outcome for an organisation that stumbles from one reputational misstep to another on an almost daily basis.

Show the courage of your convictions and have the man properly investigated by police at the time. Then you could espouse the notion that your company have some principles and standards that you look to uphold at all times. As it is, you feel almost certain that if it had been 'Joe Public' rather than one W. Carey, this would not have ended the same way. That is a savage indictment on Crown and their behaviour in this instance.

 

[Strange Cat]

I'm not defending Carey at all. I share the sentiment that he was definitely in possession of a prohibited substance. Doesn't change the fact that Crown's handling of the matter has been utterly abysmal. Hiding behind the 'right to refuse entry' does nothing to assist anyone. But is apparently the palatable P.R. outcome for an organisation that stumbles from one reputational misstep to another on an almost daily basis.

Show the courage of your convictions and have the man properly investigated by police at the time. Then you could espouse the notion that have some principles and standards that you look to uphold at all times. As it is, you feel almost certain that if it had been 'Joe Public' rather than one W. Carey, this would not have ended the same way. That is a savage indictment on Crown and their behaviour in this instance.

Carey demands ‘thorough police investigation’ as dispute with Crown deepens

AFL commentator Wayne Carey is defiant as he fronts the media for the first time in his hometown of Wagga Wagga on Thursday night, telling reporters “nothing illegal has occurred here”.

www.theage.com.au

Lots of holes in Carey story I think Crown handled it as well as they could they are not going to do onsite testing just to ban someone

 

[David the Cat]

I'm not defending Carey at all. I share the sentiment that he was definitely in possession of a prohibited substance.

How do you know that? You're assuming...you need more than assumptions to convict.

 

[Strange Cat]

How do you know that? You're assuming...you need more than assumptions to convict.

Who’s convicting him?

 

[goyoucatters]

Carey demands ‘thorough police investigation’ as dispute with Crown deepens

AFL commentator Wayne Carey is defiant as he fronts the media for the first time in his hometown of Wagga Wagga on Thursday night, telling reporters “nothing illegal has occurred here”.

www.theage.com.au

Lots of holes in Carey story I think Crown handled it as well as they could they are not going to do onsite testing just to ban someone

Fair enough. Whether he offered it up or not, my point still stands. Does a member of the general public get politely asked to leave in this circumstance? Or do Crown call in the appropriate investigating authorities to confirm their suspicions?

Says it all in the opening response from the Crown rep in that article. 'We didn't even know it was Wayne Carey, at first.' Like that should make any difference...

 

[Spearman]

I'm not defending Carey at all. I share the sentiment that he was definitely in possession of a prohibited substance. Doesn't change the fact that Crown's handling of the matter has been utterly abysmal. Hiding behind the 'right to refuse entry' does nothing to assist anyone. But is apparently the palatable P.R. outcome for an organisation that stumbles from one reputational misstep to another on an almost daily basis.

Show the courage of your convictions and have the man properly investigated by police at the time. Then you could espouse the notion that your company have some principles and standards that you look to uphold at all times. As it is, you feel almost certain that if it had been 'Joe Public' rather than one W. Carey, this would not have ended the same way. That is a savage indictment on Crown and their behaviour in this instance.

actually I was having a go at Waynsie

and I agree Crown's action was half-arsed. at least have your arse legally covered when you make such a decision.

 

[goyoucatters]

How do you know that? You're assuming...you need more than assumptions to convict.

I don't know it. And I'm not seeking to 'prove it'. I simply asserted that I share the belief that it is the most probable reality emerging from the known facts.

Nobody can ever know with certainty now, due to Crown's chronic mismanagement of the issue.

 

[patience]

The same old, ‘I’m a footy legend, I’m untouchable’ s**t that’s been going on for ever. It’s 2022 you moron.

 

[David the Cat]

Who’s convicting him?

There's a few around...

One thing most of us agree with is that Carey is, as a human being, lacking in certain qualities ( )

I actually like his game day comments ..he knows his footy, but if he were to disappear, I doubt many would shed tears or complain that he's gone.

 

[Strange Cat]

The same old, ‘I’m a footy legend, I’m untouchable’ s**t that’s been going on for ever. It’s 2022 you moron.

Can’t blame him too much considering what he has gotten away with over the years with that mentality and the hero worshiping

 

[00VicWard001]

Why was he dumb offering to hand the bag over??

Carey says it was crushed analgesic and was obviously confident enough to offer it for testing. The casino not taking the substance for testing now have no leg to stand on.

Unless you can prove possession of a prohibited substance, then you can't ban an individual on that basis.

Of course there may be an accumulation of other episodes we may not know about that has led to his ban.

On the surface though I think Carey may well be successful in his law suit.

Dumb because if they accepted it, it could be tested and he would havent had a leg to stand on... because really, if it quacks, then it's a duck (why would anyone carry crushed medicine in a baggie?)...

But it turns out that he never offered it to security (as per the the witnesses and croupiers story).

 

[Munich]

Dumb because if they accepted it, it could be tested and he would havent had a leg to stand on... because really, if it quacks, then it's a duck (why would anyone carry crushed medicine in a baggie?)...

But it turns out that he never offered it to security (as per the the witnesses and croupiers story).

I'm shocked

 

[Munich]

They've dumped Robinson

 

[cats_09]

 

[Strange Cat]

If he couldn’t get a flag with a list full of 1st round picks he got no ****ing hope with Ess