Player Watch Pick #18 (2019) - Mitch Georgiades

[Peninsula Boy]

I was going to put this in the Hinkley stat's thread but I am too lazy to find it.

During the Hinkley years, he has never from the ground up from the draft developed an AA KPP.

I don't even think in the squad. Tom Jonas has been in the squad as a 3rd tall.
Dixon but from another club.
Schulz in the squad I think.

 

[Launchpad McQuack]

I was going to put this in the Hinkley stat's thread but I am too lazy to find it.

During the Hinkley years, he has never from the ground up from the draft developed an AA KPP.

I don't even think in the squad. Tom Jonas has been in the squad as a 3rd tall.
Dixon but from another club.
Schulz in the squad I think.

Marshall but at this stage it seems Todd has developed despite Hinkley, not because of him.

 

[afl2004]

If he was at Geelong he would have 4 kg more muscle , great set shot and would kick 45+ goals a year while baby oil dripped off his arms

 

[Jakksynn]

The issue is form/confidence. The talent is still there and he manages to get multiple shots on goal a game. Once he gets over his mental demons he’ll be quite the player. I don’t think dropping him to the twos will do anything other than make his issues worse

 

[Powerage]

Some people have a short/selective memory. Let's compare Mitch to some other well known forwards at a similar age (actually they were all older).

Year Age Player G B SOG GA
2022 20 Mitch Georgiades

19

Mitch Georgiades

Age

23

Ht

192cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.0

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

3.0

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

4star

G

2.0

5star

D

11.0

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

3.0

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

3star

G

2.0

5star

D

11.0

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

3.0

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

4star

G

2.0

5star

23 24 54 43.4%
2020 21 Todd Marshall

4

Todd Marshall

Age

25

Ht

198cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.0

2star

K

6.4

3star

HB

2.5

2star

M

3.3

3star

T

2.5

4star

G

1.1

4star

D

8.9

2star

K

7.1

3star

HB

1.8

1star

M

3.8

4star

T

3.0

4star

G

1.1

5star

D

9.6

3star

K

5.6

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.6

5star

11 9 23 47.8%
2008 23 Jay Schultz 10 12 ? <45%
2000 21 Warren Tredrea

Warren Tredrea

Age

45

Ht

194cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.3

4star

K

10.1

4star

HB

4.2

3star

M

6.9

5star

T

1.4

3star

G

2.2

5star

No current season stats available

D

5.4

2star

K

2.8

1star

HB

2.6

3star

M

1.2

2star

T

0.6

3star

G

1.0

4star

31 35 ? <47%

Wow. Some pretty good young forwards get the yips. Sometimes for at least a season.

Note also Mitch averaged more marks and contested marks in 2022 than Todd in 2021 (can't compare 2020) and more than Jay in 2008.

Some food for thought...

What is really said in all this is

• that anyone would suggest trading Mitch at age 21 would be good for Port
• that Hinkley refuses to make a specialist goalkicking coach available when it is clear we would benefit from it.

If you are going to drop anyone to the SANFL, best it be Fantasia who has proved beyond any reasonable doubt that he is not match fit.

 

[rignanv]

I wonder if Sean Darcy

4

Sean Darcy

Age

26

Ht

203cm

Wt

111kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.1

3star

K

3.4

1star

HB

6.6

4star

CL

2.4

4star

HO

28.8

5star

D

6.8

1star

K

2.0

1star

HB

4.8

3star

CL

1.8

4star

HO

20.3

5star

D

11.4

3star

K

4.6

2star

HB

6.8

5star

CL

2.6

5star

HO

32.0

5star

is gettable and Mitch could be used as part of that?

 

[PJ Power]

Rd 1: 8 kicks, 5 HB, 5 marks, 1.3 and 1 OOF.

Rd 2: 10 kicks, 4 HB, 7 marks, 1.2 in a 71 point thrashing

These stats do not reflect the type of form that should result in dropping. He’s not far away from a 3-4 goal game.

The issue I have with him is his footy smarts and touch. Those two field kicks to Marshall are cases in point.

 

[JakeNeadeFan]

Rd 1: 8 kicks, 5 HB, 5 marks, 1.3 and 1 OOF.

Rd 2: 10 kicks, 4 HB, 7 marks, 1.2 in a 71 point thrashing

These stats do not reflect the type of form that should result in dropping. He’s not far away from a 3-4 goal game.

The issue I have with him is his footy smarts and touch. Those two field kicks to Marshall are cases in point.

AFL player ratings had him second worst on ground for us vs Brisbane and worst on ground against Collingwood. He is in horrific form.

If they recorded stats for pre season I'm sure he would be near the bottom as well

 

[Lefti93]

He has no doubt been shit, and it's frustrating. But we shouldn't forget Todd's trajectory, it's not like it was long ago everyone was calling for his head here.

I think we stick with him, if someone is pressing a claim in the reserves I'd give him a spell. I'd bring in Jeremy, but it wouldn't be for Mitch, I'd put Jeremy down back for some much needed height. But that is a discussion for another thread.

 

[PJ Power]

AFL player ratings had him second worst on ground for us vs Brisbane and worst on ground against Collingwood. He is in horrific form.

If they recorded stats for pre season I'm sure he would be near the bottom as well

Unfortunately most of Mitch’s possessions end up as clangers, especially with him missing at least 2/3 of his shots on goal and failing to hit open team mates with field passes.

 

[Peninsula Boy]

Marshall but at this stage it seems Todd has developed despite Hinkley, not because of him.

Yeah Marshall is coming on well but hasn't touched the AA squad yet.

What I am trying to say is that it seems Hinkley cannot develop KPPs.
It's been 11 years.

 

[Powerage]

AFL player ratings had him second worst on ground for us vs Brisbane and worst on ground against Collingwood. He is in horrific form.

If they recorded stats for pre season I'm sure he would be near the bottom as well

Worse even than Jonas 3 possessions trounced by his opponent? Didn't make any mistakes because he couldn't get near the ball? I'd find another rating system to hang your hat on rather than one that rates players who don't touch the ball at all over those who at least win some contested possessions.

 

[JakeNeadeFan]

Worse even than Jonas 3 possessions trounced by his opponent? Didn't make any mistakes because he couldn't get near the ball? I'd find another rating system to hang your hat on rather than one that rates players who don't touch the ball at all over those who at least win some contested possessions.

If you win some possessions and give it back to the other team you may as well not get the ball.

The rating system is fine. Your personal biases are not.

 

[Peninsula Boy]

I think he is playing alright and the potential is there.

I just wish he was used to his strengths, that is, jumping on blokes backs and humiliating them and drilling the goal.

 

[TazD]

Yeah Marshall is coming on well but hasn't touched the AA squad yet.

What I am trying to say is that it seems Hinkley cannot develop KPPs.
It's been 11 years.

I'm more than happy to whack Ken but our KPP woes existed before him.

 

[PortWTF]

Unfortunately most of Mitch’s possessions end up as clangers, especially with him missing at least 2/3 of his shots on goal and failing to hit open team mates with field passes.

I noticed this too. In Q4 alone he had 8 disposals and 4 turnovers, while scoring 1.2. So unless you give him the ball and he scores, he can be very poor with his field play.

 

[1954]

Worse even than Jonas 3 possessions trounced by his opponent? Didn't make any mistakes because he couldn't get near the ball? I'd find another rating system to hang your hat on rather than one that rates players who don't touch the ball at all over those who at least win some contested possessions.

We had plenty of players down on their usual output but Jonas, DBJ and Fantasia were comfortably the 3 worst for me.

Re Jonas, he has played some absolute Barry Crockers over the years but I can't recall him ever copping a serious bake from any of the so called experts, which may be because they don't see him often enough, and/or don't take a lot of notice when they do.
I suspect if a player of his type was skipper of a Vic club his deficiencies would have been called out within no more than a season or two by a Brereton, a King or even a Derwayne.

 

[Powerage]

If you win some possessions and give it back to the other team you may as well not get the ball.

The rating system is fine. Your personal biases are not.

Did I say anything about what you do with the ball???

Jpnas had 3 effective disposals from 3 disposals, 2 marks and 2 contested possessions as a defender while Georgiades had 7 effective disposals, 4 contested possessions 7 marks and 3 shots on goal from 14 posessions as a forward in a game where the team lost 72 to 126, on contested possessions and the ball was mostly in our defensive half.

Georgiades was not worst on ground. You keep your rating system, I'll keep my biases and we agree to disagree.

 

[Sleezy]

Did I say anything about what you do with the ball???

Jpnas had 3 effective disposals from 3 disposals, 2 marks and 2 contested possessions as a defender while Georgiades had 7 effective disposals, 4 contested possessions 7 marks and 3 shots on goal from 14 posessions as a forward in a game where the team lost 72 to 126, on contested possessions and the ball was mostly in our defensive half.

Georgiades was not worst on ground. You keep your rating system, I'll keep my biases and we agree to disagree.

According to the rating system, Jonas was in our top 5 players. With three disposals in a backline getting absolutely swamped.

 

[philthy05]

Georgiades went from being 2nd fiddle to Dixon and playing out of the goal square, to playing 3rd fiddle after Todd’s emergence and playing a different role further up the ground while we targeting Todd and Dixon


For all the remarks on his form… what kind of returns are kfs who are the 3rd target on their team getting better results than a goal a game?

Arguably there’s only two problems , his goal kicking yips, and our use of him.


Both can be addressed.

Especially with Dixon being at the end of his career.


The worst thing that can happen is he asks to be traded before we get a new coach and a chance for a forward line with Todd and Mitch as the centrepieces

 

[dirty2]

According to the rating system, Jonas was in our top 5 players. With three disposals in a backline getting absolutely swamped.

 

[Doctor Feel]

According to the rating system, Jonas was in our top 5 players. With three disposals in a backline getting absolutely swamped.

Player ratings very rarely match with the eye test.

 

[Holden Hillbilly]

Port great's left-field solution to defensive woes

Kane Cornes has suggested Port Adelaide should trial out-of-form forward Mitch Georgiades in defence

www.afl.com.au

 

[PAFCsince1870]

If you win some possessions and give it back to the other team you may as well not get the ball.

The rating system is fine. Your personal biases are not.

I've literally never heard anyone say that the player rating system is any better than any other string of attempts to quantify on field performance over the years. Its honestly nothing but a bunch of subjective KPIs some nerd came up with. Do you really think Hardwick or Clarko are scrutinizing the player ratings when assessing their players performance?

All you're doing is twisting a set of numbers to suit your argument. A set of numbers that few would agree suitably reflect real life performance.

You're allowed an opinion, but defending it with player ratings is a weak argument.

 

[HugeJohnson]

I wonder if his future is playing on his mind. He's got some big decisions to make soon and maybe it's affecting his game from the mental side. He'll know that he's playing for a contract too so he's got a fair bit of pressure on him, maybe the lure of home will be too hard to turn down.