Opinion Player list management and game plan 2019 part 2

[Magus]

The fact he was never dropped by coaching staff or suspended by the leadership group either means the rumblings were horseshit or the club completely lacks balls.. shit either way.

How's the thought that Ken wanted to drop him but other people didn't allow it. Weak as piss.

 

[Ports2GetLukosius]

Ken just decided we may as well have him play well in the midfield in the AFL side rather than run around in the SANFL getting 40 touches.

There was a rumour going around that Chad had been “given a bake” for being too selfish in front of goals at some point. Wouldn’t be surprised if there were more times.

 

[King_Tredrea]

The fact he was never dropped by coaching staff or suspended by the leadership group either means the rumblings were horseshit or the club completely lacks balls.. shit either way.

This. Any in-house “carn Chad put in a bit more effort m8” are/we’re completely irrelevant.

 

[Magus]

Ken just decided we may as well have him play well in the midfield in the AFL side rather than run around in the SANFL getting 40 touches.

There was a rumour going around that Chad had been “given a bake” for being too selfish in front of goals at some point. Wouldn’t be surprised if there were more times.

We're unselfish in front of goal to our detriment. Pisses me off seeing us try to hit up short targets instead of just taking the shot. Usually results in turning the ball over and not scoring.

 

[Jack Grange]

We're unselfish in front of goal to our detriment. Pisses me off seeing us try to hit up short targets instead of just taking the shot. Usually results in turning the ball over and not scoring.

And hand balling off when in range....take the responsibility to kick the f###g goal...that pisses me no end!

 

[Janus]

Not sure I'd place much weight on the opinion of the Feeble Five.

Then you don’t put any weight in the fact that Polec and Wingard finished 5 and 6 in the best and fairest.

 

[Visenfest]

Then you don’t put any weight in the fact that Polec and Wingard finished 5 and 6 in the best and fairest.

No not really. I'm able to judge for myself that they had good seasons, without relying on the opinions of our coaches.

 

[Janus]

No not really. I'm able to judge for myself that they had good seasons, without relying on the opinions of our coaches.

Then what’s the point of having a best and fairest count? Let’s just ask you who should get the award and save everyone the trouble.

 

[RossFC]

Polec was fantastic in 2017 and didn't even get in the top 10. The current coaches opinions can get stuffed.

 

[Magus]

Then what’s the point of having a best and fairest count? Let’s just ask you who should get the award and save everyone the trouble.

It really depends on what you think the metric is for getting votes. Pretty obvious that they rate having a defensive side stronger than anything else.

 

[Forzaport]

He had his PS4 power cable taken away, and he just flogged one from the social media interns PC at Alberton.

This is actually believable.

 

[*PAF]

He didn’t get a single vote in the B&F against Carlton.

That means Hinkley, Nicks, Lade, Voss and Bassett thought he was ratshit in that game.

There’s stats...and then there’s stats.

Yeah true ... so now we are ignoring the other two games you mentioned.

There's stats and then there are selective stats.

 

[Janus]

It really depends on what you think the metric is for getting votes. Pretty obvious that they rate having a defensive side stronger than anything else.

Nah, cause Polec got a number of BOGs in the best and fairest and he’s never been the best defender.

I think the metric is performing your role for the team.

 

[Tibbs]

We still have a crap load of players that coast, are not good enough or embarrass the club off the field.

Wingard and Polec (2 of our top 5 players) have been made scapegoats and the people that run the list couldn’t be anymore hypocritical.

Rubbish! True that we have players that are not good enough. True that there have been enough off-field embarrassments. But scapegoats?... Get off it! ALL of these ones have been told to look elsewhere! Some are gone, some might still go, others might be lucky enough to find themselves still at Port in 2019 ... But ONLY THOUGH CIRCUMSTANCE!!! That being because of being under contract, or to keep up numbers.

The main thing is, none of any of these were arriving at training out of condition, only putting in 50% in pre-season, whinging in training that they were injured - when they weren't, demanding up to $1mill on long-term deals to stay at the club, and appearing all surprised and dismayed that the club said "seeya."

I am sick to death of it! The Wingard and Polec fanboys refuse to see that there is a lot more that has transpired to get to this point. The club has remained respectful of these players and has kept quiet. Good on them. But past players in the media have not ... And neither will I.

This club will be better off without these "stars." And as far as I am concerned, their fanboys that are refusing to sign up in protest, can just ping off with them.

Good riddance!

 

[Janus]

Yeah true ... so now we are ignoring the other two games you mentioned.

There's stats and then there are selective stats.

What games were they? The other two where Polec got a zero, because I checked the best and fairest votes before posting?

 

[RossFC]

Rubbish! True that we have players that are not good enough. True that there have been enough off-field embarrassments. But scapegoats?... Get off it! ALL of these ones have been told to look elsewhere! Some are gone, some might still go, others might be lucky enough to find themselves still at Port in 2019 ... But ONLY THOUGH CIRCUMSTANCE!!! That being because of being under contract, or to keep up numbers.

The main thing is, none of any of these were arriving at training out of condition, only putting in 50% in pre-season, whinging in training that they were injured - when they weren't, demanding up to $1mill on long-term deals to stay at the club, and appearing all surprised and dismayed that the club said "seeya."

I am sick to death of it! The Wingard and Polec fanboys refuse to see that there is a lot more that has transpired to get to this point. The club has remained respectful of these players and has kept quiet. Good on them. But past players in the media have not ... And neither will I.

This club will be better off without these "stars." And as far as I am concerned, their fanboys that are refusing to sign up in protest, can just ping off with them.

Good riddance!

There should be no circumstance where we end up giving an uncontracted no-hoper like Cam Hewett another year over guys like Wingard and Polec.

Throw that message with Michael Wilson standing next to it in the garbage. It means nothing.

 

[*PAF]

What games were they? The other two where Polec got a zero, because I checked the best and fairest votes before posting?

Freo and Collingwood games where nearly everyone got a zero but I am backing out of this as I have no idea how I quoted one of your posts from page 60 over 100 pages later.

To say I am confused is an understatement so ... play on boys and girls ... exit stage left for *PAF.

 

[King_Tredrea]

Rubbish! True that we have players that are not good enough. True that there have been enough off-field embarrassments. But scapegoats?... Get off it! ALL of these ones have been told to look elsewhere! Some are gone, some might still go, others might be lucky enough to find themselves still at Port in 2019 ... But ONLY THOUGH CIRCUMSTANCE!!! That being because of being under contract, or to keep up numbers.

The main thing is, none of any of these were arriving at training out of condition, only putting in 50% in pre-season, whinging in training that they were injured - when they weren't, demanding up to $1mill on long-term deals to stay at the club, and appearing all surprised and dismayed that the club said "seeya."

I am sick to death of it! The Wingard and Polec fanboys refuse to see that there is a lot more that has transpired to get to this point. The club has remained respectful of these players and has kept quiet. Good on them. But past players in the media have not ... And neither will I.

This club will be better off without these "stars." And as far as I am concerned, their fanboys that are refusing to sign up in protest, can just ping off with them.

Good riddance!

Rubbish. The club will be better off without Chad Wingard, yet it continues to be under the watch of KenKeithKoch?
I have absolutely no idea where your head is at but it’s not in reality.

 

[JimmyBeerCans]

Rubbish. The club will be better off without Chad Wingard, yet it continues to be under the watch of KenKeithKoch?
I have absolutely no idea where your head is at but it’s not in reality.

I can understand people wanting to have faith in the club and it's decisions but the fact is this regime doesn't have the runs on the board to expect it without question.
Tibbs you are coming off as a blind club loyalist fanboy sheep yourself.

 

[scottjr]

Ken just decided we may as well have him play well in the midfield in the AFL side rather than run around in the SANFL getting 40 touches.

There was a rumour going around that Chad had been “given a bake” for being too selfish in front of goals at some point. Wouldn’t be surprised if there were more times.

A selfish forward?
They are forwards because you back them to finish. I'm not in favour of Chad passing it to Charles.

 

[Ports2GetLukosius]

A selfish forward?
They are forwards because you back them to finish. I'm not in favour of Chad passing it to Charles.

Theres a balance here. Taking impossible shots when you have teammates free is going too far.

 

[Tibbs]

There should be no circumstance where we end up giving an uncontracted no-hoper like Cam Hewett another year over guys like Wingard and Polec.

Throw that message with Michael Wilson standing next to it in the garbage. It means nothing.

I agree the fact that Hewitt is still on the list is ridiculous. He is merely filling a spot at minimal wages, and goes as soon as we have someone better. I would hazard a guess he wont be around long. But his being there has diddlysquat to do with Wingard going! Implying it does means we have rated Hewitt above Wingard & Polec .... which is imbecilic! They are both gone for different reasons, which have been discussed to death, but people choose to ignore.

 

[scottjr]

Theres a balance here. Taking impossible shots when you have teammates free is going too far.

I'll argue I don't have confidence in our forwards. They inspire a go it alone attitude.
Won't bag Chad for that.

 

[Tibbs]

I can understand people wanting to have faith in the club and it's decisions but the fact is this regime doesn't have the runs on the board to expect it without question.
[B]Tibbs[/B] you are coming off as a blind club loyalist fanboy sheep yourself.

No you are very wrong Jimmy ... I am furious with the administrators for re-signing Hinkley! Koch is turning into a Look-At-Me w***er, and KT whom I like and respect, has lost his shine, while the directors are divided and stalling in the China endeavors. It's just that I dont bleat on about them like some do! This however, in no way means I am a fan of them - in any way shape or form! What I am though is a fan, supporter, and member, of the Port Adelaide Football club. A club that will still be here when these guys are gone, but while they employ them, I will still be here supporting them in getting this team to the top!

Finally, my comments about Wingard have nothing to do with having "faith in the club." They are based on inside reports I have personally heard for the last three years, coupled with his management then coming at end of season & putting an unrealistic price tag on his head. Trading him might be dividing the club, but keeping him would have destroyed it. Love the Three-K's, or hate them ... they did the right thing!

Rubbish. The club will be better off without Chad Wingard, yet it continues to be under the watch of KenKeithKoch?
I have absolutely no idea where your head is at but it’s not in reality.

See the above ... Ditto with your head!

 

[FishingRick04]

I don’t feel they follow team rules enough, Chad and Polec bombed balls in crucial times Eg Adelaide, Richmond vanes, proving costly.

Let’s get over it they are GONE