Review Post-match discussion vs Bombers [39 point loss]

[TennisPlayerAndy]

The blueprint to beat us is painfully easy. Once you gain possession, move the ball methodically down the field with 15-20m kicks because each player has 5m of space to their North opponent.

Rinse/repeat.

 

[showusyacunningt]

Still hurts. Hurts bad.

 

[SuperMacPherson]

Hey lads,
No trolling here, just coming to express what a lot of you have already stated regarding last night's game.

I can't really comment about Brad Scott's coaching career overall as I haven't seen enough of it over the last 4 seasons, however, last night, I thought his coaching was very ordinary indeed. The fact he can let a champion on baller in Watson get 25 first half possessions is a joke.

The contested possessions ending up being -50 or so as well as getting over 160 possessions less than Essendon was also very ordinary in a match a lot of people thought was very 50-50 on paper.

Do you guys think a lot of your players that have been regarded as decent players over the last few years such as Bastinac, Zeibel, Wells etc. are too highly regarded, or that it was just a flat performance? I also think playing one ruck man was a terrible move and hence, didn't help your forward line with Petrie having to play a lot of ruck with Goldstein going down!

 

[Mr. Blonde]

It's one loss.....

 

[showusyacunningt]

Do you guys think a lot of your players that have been regarded as decent players over the last few years such as Bastinac, Zeibel, Wells etc. are too highly regarded, or that it was just a flat performance? I also think playing one ruck man was a terrible move and hence, didn't help your forward line with Petrie having to play a lot of ruck with Goldstein going down!

It's too early to say. We've had some awesome performances over the last few years, and I mean awesome. We've also played our share of dogshit footy over that time. I think these next 21 games will define this group (incl. the coach).

 

[Bigeasy]

Saints and Freo took a little while to 'get it'. Not suggesting we're trying for a Lyon-esque style of defence, but I think there is a shift in mindset required and before it clicks it isn't pretty.

But the effort, oh the effort.

I agree Kimbo, it was disappointing because it was pathetic across the board except for Thomas and Macmillan who I thought were both terrific.

There is something amiss about this game and it was mental I feel. We are not this bad and I think we should all wait a few more rounds before potting individual players and the coaching staff.

Yes I'm angry, actually I'm fuming but there is no way that was a true reflection of us so I will refrain from being too critical unless last night becomes the norm.

 

[naturally north]

Gee Bastinac is 22 Zeibel is 23 and Wells had a poor game along with 19 others.

Petrie should never go near a ruck contest as he's shithouse at it.

 

[scottywiper]

Most annoying was that the Bombers were laughing at us by the end. Thompson had his feet up in the coaching box, the Bombers on the bench were having a giggle and Daniher was laughing after he took a mark. That was how weak we were.

 

[GarnerSmash]

Hey lads,
No trolling here, just coming to express what a lot of you have already stated regarding last night's game.

I can't really comment about Brad Scott's coaching career overall as I haven't seen enough of it over the last 4 seasons, however, last night, I thought his coaching was very ordinary indeed. The fact he can let a champion on baller in Watson get 25 first half possessions is a joke.

The contested possessions ending up being -50 or so as well as getting over 160 possessions less than Essendon was also very ordinary in a match a lot of people thought was very 50-50 on paper.

Do you guys think a lot of your players that have been regarded as decent players over the last few years such as Bastinac, Zeibel, Wells etc. are too highly regarded, or that it was just a flat performance? I also think playing one ruck man was a terrible move and hence, didn't help your forward line with Petrie having to play a lot of ruck with Goldstein going down!

We were close to the best contested ball team over the last few years, which is pretty much why last night was so ****ing baffling. We were spanked in an area of strength.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

It's one loss.....

It's not the loss.

It's the way they played.

 

[ozzyoslo]

No. That is a illogical retort. I replied to your defence of McKenzie as I disagree with your view of his future. One of us will be wrong. That's all. Potting is a stupid term. We are both expressing opinions which is what this thing is about. We don't have to agree. That's the idea.

In my overall view only LT and Adams passed.

Im saying that you've made an opinion based on what you've seen of him......2 full games and the 9 others with the green vest on. 11 games in total. Im prepared to wait a fraction longer before I contemplate pulling the trigger and say get rid of.
We are all frustrated in our performance.......I choose to look and focus on those who have more games under their belts as those Ive mentioned, ironically enough the media today are potting those very same players......"the midfield" made up of Zeibell,Basti,Wells and Cunnington (who I would slip a little because of his concussion tests) .....If Brad choses to go the soft option he would probably target a player like McKenzie, or LMac but in my opinion he should be looking at the most experienced of those and that is Wells.

 

[Tas]

Do you guys think a lot of your players that have been regarded as decent players over the last few years such as Bastinac, Zeibel, Wells etc. are too highly regarded, or that it was just a flat performance? I also think playing one ruck man was a terrible move and hence, didn't help your forward line with Petrie having to play a lot of ruck with Goldstein going down!

It is not just expectation, they have played ripping games and torn apart good teams. Wells was the most disappointing because he is a leader and veteran, the younger blokes have never been consistent to date.

Our problem is we had 2 young inside players, one was out for a fair while due to possible concussion in the second quarter, the other guy struggled. It didn't help having the ruckman having to ruck with his opposite arm.

We are at our best in terms of stoppage work when Swallow, Greenwood, Cunnington and Ziebell are in the side. Swallow is hurt and for some reason Scott rarely picks Greenwood.

Things were going pear shaped before we had injury issues during the game but they didn't help us, nor did picking a side which carried a few underdone players and guys who didn't show any real form during the pre-season.

 

[Mr. Blonde]

It's not the loss.

It's the way they played.

I know, they played terrible.....but my point is that it is one game.

 

[ozzyoslo]

Hey lads,
No trolling here, just coming to express what a lot of you have already stated regarding last night's game.

I can't really comment about Brad Scott's coaching career overall as I haven't seen enough of it over the last 4 seasons, however, last night, I thought his coaching was very ordinary indeed. The fact he can let a champion on baller in Watson get 25 first half possessions is a joke.

The contested possessions ending up being -50 or so as well as getting over 160 possessions less than Essendon was also very ordinary in a match a lot of people thought was very 50-50 on paper.

Do you guys think a lot of your players that have been regarded as decent players over the last few years such as Bastinac, Zeibel, Wells etc. are too highly regarded, or that it was just a flat performance? I also think playing one ruck man was a terrible move and hence, didn't help your forward line with Petrie having to play a lot of ruck with Goldstein going down!

The coaching panel consist of Scott, Gavin Brown and Leigh Tudor ( many who argue is the best defensive coach in the game) none here will question his pedigree....so it has to be thrown back at the players. no good pointing the blame at the coaching injuries at different stages of the game hindered the set plans , from there it was trying all soughts of things the win the ball back.

 

[ozzyoslo]

Gee Bastinac is 22 Zeibel is 23 and Wells had a poor game along with 19 others.

Petrie should never go near a ruck contest as he's shithouse at it.

Even before goody got injured this is the plan for last night....because Goldy can't share the workload. Drewy is our FF who at times gives relief thats it.

 

[Tas]

Most annoying was that the Bombers were laughing at us by the end. Thompson had his feet up in the coaching box, the Bombers on the bench were having a giggle and Daniher was laughing after he took a mark. That was how weak we were.

They wont be laughing next week, they got the Hawks, they will be lucky to score 5 goals vs the Hawks if they play like they did against us. Hawks would have beat us by 139 points if we copped them round one.

 

[naturally north]

I realise that Ozzy but he's just such a shit ruckman , we'd be better off having Boomer in the ruck

 

[naturally north]

They wont be laughing next week, they got the Hawks, they will be lucky to score 5 goals vs the Hawks if they play like they did against us. Hawks would have beat us by 139 points if we copped them round one.

Really?? are you suggesting the Hawks wouldn't have tried overly hard?

 

[Tas]

Really?? are you suggesting the Hawks wouldn't have tried overly hard?

That is the thing, I don't think Essendon really tried real hard, they just didn't have any decent options to kick to, spend 3/4 of the game chipping it around but Hawks have Roughead, Hale and Gunston and they have A grade inside 50 work.

Who knows, Essendon might play better next week but we were putrid for 95% of the game and we were really 5 minutes of semi-reasonable footy away from having a crack at them in the last quarter.

 

[franjon]

I plead guilty to messing up Petrie for you....i put $5 on him being the high goalscorer for the game. I didn't expect him to have fewer kicks than the leading goalkicker had goals...

But seriously, and i ask this simply from what i have seen in the last two seasons....North has beaten Geelong two out of three H & A games and in the recent practice match as well. And in those games, your mids have great pace, Petrie and your talls look dangerous, quick and mark anything in sight, and as an example Wells kicked 4 goals last year against us. We were extremely lucky to win at the Dome last year in Rd 2, as North at 1/2 time had a massive numerical supremacy in stats, almost the reverse of last night.

So....i am flabbergasted when i saw last night's game, it is just so far removed from what i have personally seen as a Cat fan, we just don't get how these good young North players, tough, skilled and quick, can be so insipid. It was a terribly unsatisfactory performance for a Rd 1 game. I hope your side can get back their mojo, because it is there, that talent you show against Geelong cannot be fluked, it's there.

North are the Pakistan cricket team of the AFL. On their day they'll beat anyone but it doesn't happen often enough.

 

[koshari]

for some reason Scott rarely picks Greenwood.

No doubt its due to his disposal. Which is a little suptising given how long he perdisted with LA.

 

[Tas]

No doubt its due to his disposal. Which is a little suptising given how long he perdisted with LA.

It is surprising given we played with Swallow, Cunnington, Ziebell and Greenwood vs Richmond and dominated despite his disposal. He played against the Bombers last year.

Here is a guy that can go with Watson and Cotchin and limit their impact on the game and he can't get a game while we have 6 mids who refuse to break into a jog to man up their men. That is disgraceful.

 

[Zondor]

Also damning of the players if they cannot execute what Tudor successfully taught Saints and Sydney.

What you need to ask yourself is this. How much of Tudor's tactics have been embraced by Scotts? No Tagger is the obvious one. Sure blame can be apportioned to the players but the buck stops with the coach. :stern look

 

[Elite Master]

"Greedhead's" disposal isn't the best nor is his pace but he does bring psychically on the inside and is a good clearance player. The reason why he doesn't get selected as often quite simply is that he and Brad probably don;t have the best relationship internally..

 

[Zondor]

The boys were running laps around Arden St at 9.00 this morning. Is this their punishment??

I'm glad we are persisting with this "heavy training load". :stern look