Training Pre-Season 2024

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1990crow said:
KPD debate was my comment. You took it somewhere else and suggested I don't know what I'm talking about.

You're the idiot with reading comprehension issues.
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Well yes I would try to convince everyone of that too if I had written what you had. You made your supposed argument based entirely off of a specific attribute. The good news is there is still time to edit your post so that your new narrative makes sense.
 
Back to the pie floater commentary ..............

Had a number from various pie carts - mainly Norwood Parade and Victoria Square and outside the Railway Station.

They were delicious and the perfect thing at the end of a busy night. To put in context - Up until the eighties, there was nothing else available, with almost every other food outlet closed by ten thirty. Almost missed the birth of my second child because I was scoffing a floater on the Parade and mobile phones hadn't been invented!
 
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CharlieCrow said:
Back to the pie floater commentary ..............

Had a number from various pie carts - mainly Norwood Parade and Victoria Square and outside the Railway Station.

They were delicious and the perfect thing at the end of a busy night. To put in context - Up until the eighties, there was nothing else available, with almost every other food outlet closed by ten thirty. Almost missed the birth of my second child because I was scoffing a floater on the Parade and mobile phones hadn't been invented!
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Do you know how & why the Pie Floater Carts originally started ?
 
CharlieCrow said:
Back to the pie floater commentary ..............

Had a number from various pie carts - mainly Norwood Parade and Victoria Square and outside the Railway Station.

They were delicious and the perfect thing at the end of a busy night. To put in context - Up until the eighties, there was nothing else available, with almost every other food outlet closed by ten thirty. Almost missed the birth of my second child because I was scoffing a floater on the Parade and mobile phones hadn't been invented!
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And a pint of ginger beer😉
 
Southerntakeover said:
What makes that 'very likely' as opposed to just being a guess?

Why would we discount, for example, that people who are accustomed to eating the energy amounts required to fuel elite athletes probably struggle when the amount of energy that they're burning significantly reduces?
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Wonder how many enjoy a few beers most nights that they sacrificed while they were competing .. it really can just be a slow creep for some folk
 

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Jeffcrowe said:
Hopefully some older guys pacing themselves
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I reckon Jones couldn't be fit enough for his pb.
I reckon Sloane is zero chance to beat his pb.
I'll have a stab at the last one and say ROB couldn't match his pb either (but probably still excellent time though)

Just spitballing...
 
Jeffcrowe said:
2 key things I think there are mental side and also being fitter and stronger and less fatigued

Rankine , Rachele and Dawson are 3 that have sublime skills but kicked way too many points last year

Thilthorpe too at back end
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The fatigue factor is a fair concern late in the game. But we seemed to have plenty of poor first quarters too.
 
bigman said:
Rankine has been the standout so far this pre season. He already looks ready to go. Fit as a fiddle, skills ultra sharp and taking on players in the full length drills, just looks on another level.

Berry looks noticeably trim and his ball use has been much better. None of those forward spinning punts of last year. Hopefully maintains this in the real thing as it was a big issue during the season

Cook looks really fit and in the best condition ive seen him at this stage of the year. His fellow winger billy Dowling also looks really assured with his role in the team and was heavily involved in the full length drills and showed great vision when moving the ball.

The team for the most part appears to have bulked up quite a bit, in particular Thilthorpe as reported, Rachele who looks ultra fit, worrell, pedlar as well as Taylor, who needed to get bigger as he struggled to break tackles before his foot injury. He does still lag a bit in the running, often behind Strachan which isn’t ideal. I suspect he still needs to learn how to really push himself.

Only player to look a bit underdone is chayce who appears a tad stocky. To be fair his foot injury was only a few months ago and positively he and Taylor are both fully involved in the drills and running.

Keane looks much fitter than last year although he has been managed a tad and did not do mondays time trial. Murray and dragon were on the sidelines doing running and some skill drills. Harry also featured early on doing some skills but no running. He looks surprisingly advanced given the nature of his injury

New boys have all shown some good signs and did well in the time trials, particularly edwards. Curtin showed some frustration whenever he made an error which was good to see. Edwards is a big boy already but moves very fluently. Ryan impressed with his speed although he has a slightly awkward gait. He rotates his body quite a bit when running. Gallagher is very raw and made some bad mistakes, but hes a great athlete no doubt so hopefully the club can fast track his skills and decision making.

Welsh and toby Murray both featured today. Welsh was only doing set shots and chatting to coaches so is obviously being managed. Murray did most drills and looked ok, bit ungainly but covered the ground quite well.

Unfortunately nank left the track early after sustaining what appeared to be some sort of lower leg injury. Hopefully nothing too serious

Boys look hungry and in good spirits so far.
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AFL 2024: Every club’s off-season ins and outs and list ratings for next year​

The trade period and drafts are in the books, so is your club actually better going into 2024? Our footy experts comb through every move and deliver a verdict on every club.


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The best are better and the worst should look away now.
The trade period and drafts are now in the rear-view mirror and while a host of clubs still have a slot or two to fill on their lists, most squads are set for 2024.
Collingwood adding forward pocket Lachie Schultz has been a big win, while fellow grand finalist Brisbane Lions have upgraded too.
But the news is not as positive for those near the bottom.
The off-season is all about improving a playing list for the next year and our experts have run the rule on every change to declare who is in better shape to attack 2024.

ADELAIDE​

IN: Chris Burgess (Gold Coast), Daniel Curtin, Charlie Edwards, Oscar Ryan (draft)
OUT: Tom Doedee (Brisbane), Shane McAdam (Melbourne), Paul Seedsman, Fischer McAsey (retired), Tyler Brown, Jackson Hately, Andrew McPherson, Tariek Newchurch (delisted)
AVAILABLE LIST SPOTS: 0
The Crows took a swing during the trade period but were unable to land a high-profile recruit as they had the previous two seasons. Burgess is likely a fringe player who may be a regular to start next year because Nick Murray is sidelined with a knee injury. Losing two members of their best 22, Doedee and McAdam, is a blow. As good as Doedee had been, Adelaide was able to cover for him during the back half of last season. Landing Curtin, who filled a need as a tall defender, was a great get.
VERDICT: List neutral for 2024

Brisbane lost some depth with the departures of Rich and Gunston but importantly the best-22 remained intact. The Doedee acquisition in free agency was a great get and although the former Crow won’t be up to speed until mid-season he looms as a plug and play defensive piece to strengthen the Lions’ finals push. Chris Fagan has his squad in win-now mode and went to the draft with an eye on the future. The return of Will Ashcroft from injury will mean the Lions enter Round 1 stronger than they were on grand final day.

VERDICT: List improved for 2024

CARLTON​

IN: Elijah Hollands (Gold Coast), Orazio Fantasia (Port Adelaide), Ashton Moir, Billy Wilson (draft), Matt Carroll (rookie draft), Rob Monahan (category B rookie)

OUT: Ed Curnow, Lachie Plowman (retired), Paddy Dow (St Kilda), Zac Fisher (North Melbourne), Josh Honey, Lochie O’Brien, Sam Philp (delisted)

AVAILABLE LIST SPOTS: 0

Hollands has the potential to be a great recruit for the Blues as a high-impact forward who can go through the midfield. The brother of Carlton wingman Ollie Hollands had limited opportunity at the Suns, playing only 14 games in three seasons, including none in his first year coming off a knee injury. Fantasia is a punt, but can change games if he can stay on the park. A big if, judging on recent history. Although Dow and Fisher did not play in Carlton’s finals campaign, they were still relatively young and on the fringes, featuring in 22 matches between them last season.

Verdict: List neutral for 2024

COLLINGWOOD​

IN: Lachie Schultz (Fremantle), Harry DeMattia, Tew Jiath (draft).

OUT: Taylor Adams (Sydney), Jack Ginnivan (Hawthorn), Trent Bianco, Arlo Draper, Will Kelly, Cooper Murley, Trey Ruscoe, Tom Wilson (delisted).

AVAILABLE LIST SPOTS: 3, plus two category B rookie spots


The Bombers were one of the busiest clubs in the trade and free agency period. McKay comes in on big money to be their No. 1 key defender, Duursma will be looking to breathe some new life into his career after getting away from the graveyard shift that is the wing position at Port Adelaide while Gresham could add some X-factor. At the draft the Bombers traded up to get Caddy who fills their need for a taller forward.

VERDICT: List improved for 2024

The Bombers were one of the busiest clubs in the trade and free agency period. McKay comes in on big money to be their No. 1 key defender, Duursma will be looking to breathe some new life into his career after getting away from the graveyard shift that is the wing position at Port Adelaide while Gresham could add some X-factor. At the draft the Bombers traded up to get Caddy who fills their need for a taller forward.

VERDICT: List improved for 2024

They aren’t the biggest names around but the Power have addressed the gaping holes on its list. Ratugolea and Zerk-Thatcher can help a defence that is often under sized, while Soldo and Sweet come at an important time for the Power’s ruck stocks. Duursma’s departure does leave a hole on the wing.

VERDICT: List improved for 2024

The Dees have largely made upgrades in positions it already had plenty of cover. Grundy was not needed in the ruck and Fullarton may provide more of a marking target. Harmes wasn’t playing senior footy, Hore is cover for Hibberd and while Jordon was useful, McAdam fills some need across half-forward. Billings is a worthwhile flyer and Windsor and Tholstrup appear ready to play some part. It’s unlikely that any of the additions will really make a huge difference to Melbourne’s flag hopes – that burden will likely rest with the superstars and a game plan tweak – but the Dees took incremental steps forward.

VERDICT: List has improved for 2024
 
article inc TT, Rankine (early chance for B&F IMO) and Cook


Adelaide’s high performance guru Darren Burgess was a pleased man as the Crows kicked off their pre-season.
The entire Crows playing group was at West Lakes on Monday and were quickly put through their paces by Burgess with some 1km time trials before the footys came out.

“They act as a bit of a deterrent more than anything in the off-season because they know they have to come back and do that,” Burgess said.

“Our guys did them really well.

“Of the single 1kms we had 38 of them get a PB and with 41 guys training that is pretty good.

“So we are in good shape.

“It is good, obviously it is important to kick and catch as well but what we know with this group is that it is a really hard working group so it is not surprising for me.”

Darren Burgess in charge on the first day of Adelaide’s pre-season. Picture: James Elsby

Darren Burgess in charge on the first day of Adelaide’s pre-season. Picture: James Elsby
But Burgess said he had some surprises in store for the Crows players, with the limited time he has with them this pre-season

“This is the shortest one I have ever been a part of, what it means the off-season is really important and the guys have ticked that box,” he said.

“Where as before we might have done 70 per cent footy and 30 per cent running that might ramp up a bit more and we do more footy and less running because the guys have come back in good shape and we don’t have a lot of time.

“I have gone easy on them for the last couple of years so that will come out for sure.”

Will this be the summer of Riley Thilthorpe? Picture: James Elsby

Will this be the summer of Riley Thilthorpe? Picture: James Elsby

THRILLTHORPE​

This looms as the most important pre-season of Riley Thilthorpe’s young career so far.

And, while it is early days, it looks like the former No. 2 pick is rising to the challenge.

The 21-year-old looked in ripping shape at West Lakes on Monday and moved extremely well on day one of pre-season.

He ended the 2023 campaign out of form and Burgess said the Crows had changed how the 202cm forward/ruck had approached his off-season.

Thilthorpe himself looked to be thrilled with how he was travelling, with a nice snap for a goal celebrated passionately.

“He looks like he has taken his off-season to another level Riley, he has done a few different things this off-season and I think they are going to pay off for him,” Burgess said.

“Normally what Riley does he just goes and runs, and runs, and runs because that is his weapon but we have just shortened it up a little bit and thrown in a bit of boxing and some other things.

“Riley knows that his ticket to where we all want him to go to is through hard work and truly there is nobody that works harder than him.

“So I’m really confident he will attack the pre-season really well.”

[PLAYERCARD]Izak Rankine[/PLAYERCARD] is his new No. 23 jumper. Picture: AFC

Izak Rankine is his new No. 23 jumper. Picture: AFC
Rankine dazzled at West Lakes on Monday. Picture: AFC

Rankine dazzled at West Lakes on Monday. Picture: AFC

ARISE SIR IZAK?​

Wearing the No. 23 made famous by boyhood idol Andrew McLeod, Izak Rankine was arguably the most impressive Crow at West Lakes on Monday.

Not just the way he moved, which was electric for the most part, but some of the stuff he did with the footy when the fitness work for the Crows was done.

In one small sided game, Rankine absolutely turned poor Lachie Murphy inside out in a big reminder of the talent the Crows star has.

“He has the bit between his teeth Izak, I’m really excited to see where that leads,” Burgess said.

“He has had a really good off-season.”

Skipper [PLAYERCARD]Jordan Dawson[/PLAYERCARD]. Picture: James Elsby

Skipper Jordan Dawson. Picture: James Elsby
And forward [PLAYERCARD]Darcy Fogarty[/PLAYERCARD]. Picture: James Elsby

And forward Darcy Fogarty. Picture: James Elsby

IS BRAYDEN ABOUT TO COOK?​

Ever since Brayden Cook landed at the Crows in the 2020 draft, Adelaide coaches have said he can be a serious player, but is just extremely raw.

He’s played 12 games for the Crows in three seasons but the versatile 21-year-old could be one to watch for Adelaide this summer.

He has packed on the muscle to his 191cm frame and has Burgess excited about what he could do in his fourth season.

“Cooky has returned in really good shape and that was an area he had to work on because he is really raw,” Burgess said.

“This is his third or fourth pre-season in his life, people think of him being a 22 or 23-year-old but he is a bit younger than that from our point of view.

“I hope so, it probably has been the part of his game that needs a bit of worth the robustness and resilience so I hope the work he has done over the past couple of years will stand him in good stead for 2024.”

Crows draftees Daniel Curtin and Charlie Edwards at their first training run. Picture: James Elsby

Crows draftees Daniel Curtin and Charlie Edwards at their first training run. Picture: James Elsby
First pre-season training session for Adelaide Crows. Picture: James Elsby

First pre-season training session for Adelaide Crows. Picture: James Elsby

NEW FACES​

Adelaide’s three new draftees were in action on Monday but didn’t do everything in the first session.

No. 8 pick Daniel Curtin already has some fans, with plenty of his new teammates getting around the West Australian utility throughout the session.

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Burgess said he was excited about working with the 197cm young talent.
“He is an impressive person to stand next to, an intimidating size,” he said.

“I normally look at how people move and he is a really smooth mover for a big guy, he is a bit like Riley Thilthorpe he doesn’t move like a 200cm player so he looks really exciting.”

Former Gold Coast Sun Chris Burgess was in action, while Irishman Karl Gallagher – who is trialling with the Crows – took part in some parts of the first session but did spend time with fellow Irishman Mark Keane in a group that involved the injured Nick Murray (ACL) and Elliott Himmelberg (hamstring).
 
bigman said:
Rankine has been the standout so far this pre season. He already looks ready to go. Fit as a fiddle, skills ultra sharp and taking on players in the full length drills, just looks on another level.

Berry looks noticeably trim and his ball use has been much better. None of those forward spinning punts of last year. Hopefully maintains this in the real thing as it was a big issue during the season

Cook looks really fit and in the best condition ive seen him at this stage of the year. His fellow winger billy Dowling also looks really assured with his role in the team and was heavily involved in the full length drills and showed great vision when moving the ball.

The team for the most part appears to have bulked up quite a bit, in particular Thilthorpe as reported, Rachele who looks ultra fit, worrell, pedlar as well as Taylor, who needed to get bigger as he struggled to break tackles before his foot injury. He does still lag a bit in the running, often behind Strachan which isn’t ideal. I suspect he still needs to learn how to really push himself.

Only player to look a bit underdone is chayce who appears a tad stocky. To be fair his foot injury was only a few months ago and positively he and Taylor are both fully involved in the drills and running.

Keane looks much fitter than last year although he has been managed a tad and did not do mondays time trial. Murray and dragon were on the sidelines doing running and some skill drills. Harry also featured early on doing some skills but no running. He looks surprisingly advanced given the nature of his injury

New boys have all shown some good signs and did well in the time trials, particularly edwards. Curtin showed some frustration whenever he made an error which was good to see. Edwards is a big boy already but moves very fluently. Ryan impressed with his speed although he has a slightly awkward gait. He rotates his body quite a bit when running. Gallagher is very raw and made some bad mistakes, but hes a great athlete no doubt so hopefully the club can fast track his skills and decision making.

Welsh and toby Murray both featured today. Welsh was only doing set shots and chatting to coaches so is obviously being managed. Murray did most drills and looked ok, bit ungainly but covered the ground quite well.

Unfortunately nank left the track early after sustaining what appeared to be some sort of lower leg injury. Hopefully nothing too serious

Boys look hungry and in good spirits so far.
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Was really hoping Zac would be able to do enough running to hit the ground at least mid pack

Will definitely hold him back , midfield is such a running game at afl level , one guy not doing it results in run ons like we saw least year

Shame as I love his talent , hopefully he grasps it and starts pushing to new levels

At least he’s improved I guess , fingers crossed

There may be some form of pacing himself from what I’ve seen , which doesn’t really help
 
Coopers said:
If he's just as fast, but he's heavier, maybe the tactic is to get him to do what he does well, which is hit a contest at speed... but this time leave destruction in his wake
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Kind of makes sense he’s heavier given all he could do was weights for a good 3 months

He will shed some of that in pre season with the running but likely be stronger again next year , he could hurt some people
 
Southerntakeover said:
What makes that 'very likely' as opposed to just being a guess?

Why would we discount, for example, that people who are accustomed to eating the energy amounts required to fuel elite athletes probably struggle when the amount of energy that they're burning significantly reduces?
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Slash all of a sudden have the freedom to eat whatever they want
 

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