Autopsy QF 2019 - Pies d Cats by 10 points

[And_ROOS]

Why don't Collingwood wear a variation of their Anzac day jumper...

Make the collar slightly smaller and get rid of the black at the bottom and the black stripe down the side, add in white shorts and white socks with a black trim. Thats a predominantly all white set that cancels out their clash.


Or maybe the AFL should sack up and force them to actually wear a clash strip.

 

[Biggy_Boy]

Eddie, it was Geelong’s Home Final + Frank Costa hasn’t been President for years! What an arrogant, self-entitled prat!

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I don't think it's good practice for club officials to be basing decisions pertaining to present-day matters on "handshake agreements" made 21 years ago.

 

[steady2]

We had 4 AA's and a few others who were close. Average list, indeed.

I disagree. The facts support Scott as a home and away specialist coach who does not have the coaching acumen to get his team to play finals level football. He cannot develop a coaching plan to take on finals pressure.

An average coach is Scott. A corporate coach who plays the media well and knows how to massage the board. He is the opposite of a Clarkson or Thompson. More like a Ross Lyon.

Scott is an AFL premiership coach. Lyon has taken two different teams to Grand Finals. What is a "corporate coach", sounds insidious?

 

[steady2]

Geelong is still everything it promised not be at the start of the season.
Im not usre why people keep getting upset over something thats always going to end the same way. Finals failure under Chris Scott

Welcome to Big Footy Forum. 21 posts on your first day. Most of them rubbishing Geelong players and the Geelong coach. Are you an Eagles supporter? Or is that you Nakia?

 

[Vdubs]

I hate to raise this, but post match one of our most senior men Harry Taylor refused to stand in the line for Pendles carry off. He deferred by standing behind it and the rest of his team and then he refused to clap him. It was a horrid lack of sportsmanship and reeked of the attitude of his coach of the last 10 years. Just an observation...

This also coming from the bloke who ran around like a turkey after winning the QF 3 years earlier when Isaac Smith missed post siren. The wheel turn the full circle!! Time to join your coach in the pastoring paddocks, Harry.

Was not aware of that, we had just left, but that is really poor. Thought Harry was made of better stuff than that.

 

[JimmysSideChick]

Welcome to Big Footy Forum. 21 posts on your first day. Most of them rubbishing Geelong players and the Geelong coach. Are you an Eagles supporter? Or is that you Nakia?

Ah yes, we must all tow the reach around line.
Incorrect on your assumptions btw, but I can tell from your posting that my assumption of you is pretty spot on.

 

[God Mode]

This effort here from MOC was irritating:

You can sum up both teams hunger and will to win with the way they man the mark.

Perfect example here as MOC just hangs back in and gives plenty of room for his opponent to kick. We did this all night

When we would mark it, the Pies would sprint to the mark and be jumping all over the place.

Don't need any talent to do that, just enthusiasm.

 

[Strange Cat]

Ah yes, we must all tow the reach around line.
Incorrect on your assumptions btw, but I can tell from your posting that my assumption of you is pretty spot on.

Nice to see you back stabby

 

[JimmysSideChick]

Nice to see you back stabby

who?


Errrr no

 

[Moggy]

Perfect synopsis. As Nick Reiwoldt keeps saying, ‘There’s trying and then’s really trying.’ I think a lot of the players don’t even realise there is another gear to find, a depth to draw from OR perhaps they do, but just aren’t willing to give. In the end, in life, but definitely in sport, you kinda get what you deserve. We did

Serious question then: do you think that the coaches should be absolutely tearing strips off the players this week due to a lack of trying?

That seems justified if what you are saying is correct.

Ps: great username

 

[FLYING DEES]

12 months too late, that happened last year mate

Based on this year, Goodwin wouldn't even be permitted to shine Barrassi's shoes

That's the gag. I know.

 

[Vdubs]

Wonder no more. The 2007-11 side side was skilled up to buggery, and the team on the ground ended up making the gameplan.

They could, becasue they were skilled to buggery. This side is not skilled. And any skilled player coming into the side has that knocked out of him by 12 months. Name me one player who can consistently kick on the run to a leading teammate lace up? Through the season Ablett stood out like the proverbials doing stuff like that. No-one else could come close. And this is just basic stuff. Our teams under Scott aren't too skilled. I don't know what it is they are doing pre-season. Running patterns, tackling? Danger has had 4 years to work on this stuff and he is no better than when he got here. Hey, but you don't win Brownlow votes making other players look good, do you?

Does CS get the blame for that too?
Danger came to us as a 26 yo superstar with poor kicking skills. Did you think that could be converted by coming to us?

 

[maxy87]

I will try to be brief.

Essentially, to anybody with an objective view of the Cats and the broader AFL context, Friday night was entirely foreseeable. And to a few posters on here - myself included - it was foreseen.

In saying that, the Cats played better than I expected. I’ve seen enough in the last 7 years - the last 3 in particular - to know what was going to be dished up. And to compete manfully in KPIs like contested possessions was good to see. As a flaky, limited inside midfielder, I see Menegola as a bellwether for how things are going. He redeemed himself from previous finals efforts to his credit. Stewart and Danger were solid and I thought Henry was Ok. That’s about where it ends for me.

I’ve been reading through the comments on a few threads. In a strange and sad way I am heartened that people are finally cottoning on (no pun intended) to the fact that this team is floundering under the current regime.

As I mentioned in another thread, I’m about 70% checked out these days. The fire still burns in the 30% and that’s enough for me to get involved in these discussions for the first time in a while.

The BS needs to end now.

The list below should cover it:
- whinging about finals venues
- going into finals without a recognised ruckman
- failing to draft/trade/develop a competent ruckman since Brad Ottens retired
- poor drafting since 2009-10 with minimal retention of our high picks
- trying to fill key positions on our list with limited state-league footballers due to the above
- trading valuable draft picks for mediocre mature age players (Touhy, Stanley, Henderson, Rohan - not ready to throw Dahl into that category just yet)
- bringing back Ablett for romantic reasons rather than trying to develop our next high half forward/mids, after we cut Steve Johnson and Paul Chapman loose who were younger at the time
- continually topping up our list with players listed above to stay competitive
- short term list management decisions aimed at trying to stay competitive while Selwood, Taylor and Hawkins are still around. Sadly, the first two are cooked and we really need to move on
- negative, dour, defensive football that others have mentioned is a chore to watch
- “Greatness” marketing propaganda. Hollow and cringeworthy
- Cotton On as our apparel sponsor. Might as well have Best and Less. Embarrassing

As someone else has mentioned before, the GFC is starting to resemble the Crows. Existing to make finals for financial reasons, with winning finals merely a bonus. That’s probably worth a thread in itself.

Chris Scott is just one component of a broader malaise that has captured the GFC. I’m not quite prepared to say that he is the primary reason, as some changes in support staff may change the team’s fortunes moving forward.

/rant.

 

[Vdubs]

I will try to be brief.

Essentially, to anybody with an objective view of the Cats and the broader AFL context, Friday night was entirely foreseeable. And to a few posters on here - myself included - it was foreseen.

In saying that, the Cats played better than I expected. I’ve seen enough in the last 7 years - the last 3 in particular - to know what was going to be dished up. And to compete manfully in KPIs like contested possessions was good to see. As a flaky, limited inside midfielder, I see Menegola as a bellwether for how things are going. He redeemed himself from previous finals efforts to his credit. Stewart and Danger were solid and I thought Henry was Ok. That’s about where it ends for me.

I’ve been reading through the comments on a few threads. In a strange and sad way I am heartened that people are finally cottoning on (no pun intended) to the fact that this team is floundering under the current regime.

As I mentioned in another thread, I’m about 70% checked out these days. The fire still burns in the 30% and that’s enough for me to get involved in these discussions for the first time in a while.

The BS needs to end now.

The list below should cover it:
- whinging about finals venues
- going into finals without a recognised ruckman
- failing to draft/trade/develop a competent ruckman since Brad Ottens retired
- poor drafting since 2009-10 with minimal retention of our high picks
- trying to fill key positions on our list with limited state-league footballers due to the above
- trading valuable draft picks for mediocre mature age players (Touhy, Stanley, Henderson, Rohan - not ready to throw Dahl into that category just yet)
- bringing back Ablett for romantic reasons rather than trying to develop our next high half forward/mids, after we cut Steve Johnson and Paul Chapman loose who were younger at the time
- continually topping up our list with players listed above to stay competitive
- short term list management decisions aimed at trying to stay competitive while Selwood, Taylor and Hawkins are still around. Sadly, the first two are cooked and we really need to move on
- negative, dour, defensive football that others have mentioned is a chore to watch
- “Greatness” marketing propaganda. Hollow and cringeworthy
- Cotton On as our apparel sponsor. Might as well have Best and Less. Embarrassing

As someone else has mentioned before, the GFC is starting to resemble the Crows. Existing to make finals for financial reasons, with winning finals merely a bonus. That’s probably worth a thread in itself.

Chris Scott is just one component of a broader malaise that has captured the GFC. I’m not quite prepared to say that he is the primary reason, as some changes in support staff may change the team’s fortunes moving forward.

/rant.

Painful but excellent post.

 

[patience]

Existing to make finals for financial reasons, with winning finals merely a bonus.

Why would they think the members would tolerate this? Even a fairly placid supporter such as myself has had it with the finals garbage of the last few years. They will suffer financially as we won't be paying for Melbourne games and the guaranteed GF seats next year.

 

[RegHickeyStand]

Welcome to Big Footy Forum. 21 posts on your first day. Most of them rubbishing Geelong players and the Geelong coach. Are you an Eagles supporter? Or is that you Nakia?

Hawks poster?

 

[Vdubs]

Why would they think the members would tolerate this? Even a fairly placid supporter such as myself has had it with the finals garbage of the last few years. They will suffer financially as we won't be paying for Melbourne games and the guaranteed GF seats next year.

With respect to the poster, it was an excellent post, but that was his perspective, NOT the MO of the MC and CS.
There is no way CS is just a puppet for the GFC, toeing the line and doing everything to keep the powers happy. He is as competitive as GAJ and SJ, and will be gutted about losing. But he is realistic enough to accept we are performing according to our strengths, and with very little extra to offer as far as sheer class, skill, speed and nous. I reject the notion the effort wasn't there.

 

[RegHickeyStand]

Does CS get the blame for that too?
Danger came to us as a 26 yo superstar with poor kicking skills. Did you think that could be converted by coming to us?

Geelong and Danger has had 4 years to work on it.

 

[romeohwho]

I will try to be brief.

Essentially, to anybody with an objective view of the Cats and the broader AFL context, Friday night was entirely foreseeable. And to a few posters on here - myself included - it was foreseen.

In saying that, the Cats played better than I expected. I’ve seen enough in the last 7 years - the last 3 in particular - to know what was going to be dished up. And to compete manfully in KPIs like contested possessions was good to see. As a flaky, limited inside midfielder, I see Menegola as a bellwether for how things are going. He redeemed himself from previous finals efforts to his credit. Stewart and Danger were solid and I thought Henry was Ok. That’s about where it ends for me.

I’ve been reading through the comments on a few threads. In a strange and sad way I am heartened that people are finally cottoning on (no pun intended) to the fact that this team is floundering under the current regime.

As I mentioned in another thread, I’m about 70% checked out these days. The fire still burns in the 30% and that’s enough for me to get involved in these discussions for the first time in a while.

The BS needs to end now.

The list below should cover it:
- whinging about finals venues
- going into finals without a recognised ruckman
- failing to draft/trade/develop a competent ruckman since Brad Ottens retired
- poor drafting since 2009-10 with minimal retention of our high picks
- trying to fill key positions on our list with limited state-league footballers due to the above
- trading valuable draft picks for mediocre mature age players (Touhy, Stanley, Henderson, Rohan - not ready to throw Dahl into that category just yet)
- bringing back Ablett for romantic reasons rather than trying to develop our next high half forward/mids, after we cut Steve Johnson and Paul Chapman loose who were younger at the time
- continually topping up our list with players listed above to stay competitive
- short term list management decisions aimed at trying to stay competitive while Selwood, Taylor and Hawkins are still around. Sadly, the first two are cooked and we really need to move on
- negative, dour, defensive football that others have mentioned is a chore to watch
- “Greatness” marketing propaganda. Hollow and cringeworthy
- Cotton On as our apparel sponsor. Might as well have Best and Less. Embarrassing

As someone else has mentioned before, the GFC is starting to resemble the Crows. Existing to make finals for financial reasons, with winning finals merely a bonus. That’s probably worth a thread in itself.

Chris Scott is just one component of a broader malaise that has captured the GFC. I’m not quite prepared to say that he is the primary reason, as some changes in support staff may change the team’s fortunes moving forward.

/rant.

Interesting rant. But what’s wrong with Cotton on?

 

[Vdubs]

Geelong and Danger has had 4 years to work on it.

Adelaide had 8 years, Falcons had 2. He has past his peak now. It could come from within, but suspect he has a significant life outside of GFC, and it's not high on his priority list.

 

[Cataholic]

Geelong and Danger has had 4 years to work on it.

They can analyse and rectify the mechanics of someone's running, so why can't they do that with kicking?

 

[Vdubs]

They can analyse and rectify the mechanics of someone's running, so why can't they do that with kicking?

Does Danger agree he has an issue? CS thinks he is the best player in the comp. I suspect Danger is happy and in his comfort zone.

 

[RegHickeyStand]

Scott is an AFL premiership coach. Lyon has taken two different teams to Grand Finals. What is a "corporate coach", sounds insidious?

It does, doesn't it? My definition would be he is just as concerned with football as a business and his career and how to make that work. Rather than a dedicated coach with a burning desire to build a premiership group. Scott has never bet the farm on a group of players. He swaps and changes and brings in fresh talent, but its never settled. We have never been settled under Scott. He seems content getting a lot of H&A wins.

I know he is a premiership coach, but I'm less impressed with that title for him as each season goes by. The initial negative was that he handled the team well, but really just got a free premiership ride from Bomber's team. That is looking like a more and more accurate assessment as time goes by.

 

[RegHickeyStand]

They can analyse and rectify the mechanics of someone's running, so why can't they do that with kicking?

You'd think. But the entire squad is lacking in skills like this. I recall the Bulldogs really worked on their foot passings skills a while back, and it really showed.

 

[Vdubs]

It does, doesn't it? My definition would be he is just as concerned with football as a business and his career and how to make that work. Rather than a dedicated coach with a burning desire to build a premiership group. Scott has never bet the farm on a group of players. He swaps and changes and brings in fresh talent, but its never settled. We have never been settled under Scott. He seems content getting a lot of H&A wins.

I know he is a premiership coach, but I'm less impressed with that title for him as each season goes by. The initial negative was that he just got a free ride from Bomber's team. That is looking more and more accurate as time goes by.

As long as you don't forget the shambles of a team that was the Bomber's 2010 team that got smashed by the Pies in the prelim. It was a disgrace given the talent present that day, including GAJ at his peak.
Supporters just want more of the same success, who wouldn't, but we should be realistic enough to accept we are never going to replace that list, and each year, we have signed off another career of an immortal.