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Garbage.. unsubstantiated garbage from a Carlspoon supporter
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Quick question about tanking
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It's hard to believe a Carlton supporter would be silly enough to start a thread like this...then again
When the word's cheating or tanking come up in any conversation that has anything remotely to do with AFL football, Carlton will be mentioned almost immediately. Just the way it is and will be.
When the word's cheating or tanking come up in any conversation that has anything remotely to do with AFL football, Carlton will be mentioned almost immediately. Just the way it is and will be.
JC23
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Carltank are singled out for tanking because they didn't even bother to try to look like they were attempting to win, and plus cos they've got zero credibility in general anyway, due to at the time having a criminal president that ripped australia off to the tune o 700mill
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Be fair, Carlton won that game. Both teams were trying to lose. Funniest game I've ever seen.
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I have no strong feelings on whether tanking is real or not. I doubt players would ever throw a game however I would not be surprised if admin/coaches go out of their way not to win (as opposed to losing on purpose). Watching Collingwood in late 2005 I knew that we wouldn’t win. In a match against North (late in the season) we were 4 or so goals up with not much to go and we still lost – and I was cheering for them to lose. In hindsight by losing that game we got Pendles and Thomas which, to me, was far better than one win.
Anyway after some thoughts and research I can conclude that:
Is it coincidental? I know that this does not confirm or deny that tanking exists.
Anyway after some thoughts and research I can conclude that:
- In 18 years of football only two teams have finished with 6 wins. They are Melbourne in 99 and Freo in 08. It’s interesting that within a few years of the priority picks being watered down a team has finished on 6 wins.
- Since 1990 13 teams have finished on 5 wins and 23 teams have finished with 7 wins. Add to this that another 31 teams have finished with 2, 3 or 4 wins.
- 9, 10, wins are very common.
- Why is it that only twice has a team finished with 6 wins? This is a serious question. In relation to the Pies in 05 we lost quite a few in a row (sorry can’t get the exact stats) and we shipped a lot off players for surgery. If we were playing finals I wonder how many would have played?
Is it coincidental? I know that this does not confirm or deny that tanking exists.
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Carlspoons experience in cheating gave them the edge
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Rubbish. Hawthorn did it for several years as a club policy.
St Kilda have also admittedly tanked.
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ok so you obviously have proof to back up these claims.
You also have reasons why Hawthorn beat Richmond in round 20 2004 and in doing so gave up picks 1 and 4 for 2 and 5 and why they won there last 4 games in 2006 losing 4 places in the draft.
First of all, there is no "quick question" on tanking. It always ends up being very drawn out.
What players did WC send in for surgery early last year? Name them. To the best of my knowledge, all our players were injured in games and then had their surgery, most of them very early in the season. This is why we got so many games into the kids. It is not like we just pulled up stumps with 5 games to go in the season, we were just decimated by injuries pretty much from round 1. If we were really tanking, why would we have not put Dean Cox in for surgery to fix his BROKEN foot? He was struggling with it all year, but because we wanted to WIN games, he was on the field, still dominating. He waited for the surgery till the year ended because it was an injury you could play with. If we were tanking, you would think he would have been in the hospital and we would have had Seaby on the ground. The other injuries (mainly knees and groins) were ones you could not play with, so were dealt with during the season.
What players did WC send in for surgery early last year? Name them. To the best of my knowledge, all our players were injured in games and then had their surgery, most of them very early in the season. This is why we got so many games into the kids. It is not like we just pulled up stumps with 5 games to go in the season, we were just decimated by injuries pretty much from round 1. If we were really tanking, why would we have not put Dean Cox in for surgery to fix his BROKEN foot? He was struggling with it all year, but because we wanted to WIN games, he was on the field, still dominating. He waited for the surgery till the year ended because it was an injury you could play with. If we were tanking, you would think he would have been in the hospital and we would have had Seaby on the ground. The other injuries (mainly knees and groins) were ones you could not play with, so were dealt with during the season.
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Eagles put the cue in the rack at about June.
http://www.watoday.com.au/sport/thomas-hints-eagles-may-be-tanking-20080614-2qi6.html?page=-1
Why rest guys in June?
Sheik Mathious
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Nah. He is talking about the Collingwood game into time on and Malthouse thought it might be a good idea not to pick up a white hot Grant. Roos came from the clouds. Pies got Thomas/Pendlebury
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It would be very difficult to prove that a side tanked. Some sides are unlucky in close games and lose confidence in how to win; sometimes people cannot believe that their side is that bad when it loses a string of games by big margins, and saying that a side tanked is an excuse of sorts.
However, if something really suspicious happened, could the AFL investigate and punish the clubs involved? As a hypothetical situation, it is the last round of the year and the bottom two clubs are meeting, with both level on 3 wins and a similar percentage. The club that loses will collect the wooden spoon. However, in the upcoming draft is one of the most promising TAC cup players for many years. On a fine, warm sunny day, and on a firm dry ground, the teams put on a game of shockingly poor standard, eventually drawing on 3.8-26 each. If this actually happened, do you think there would be an investigation?
However, if something really suspicious happened, could the AFL investigate and punish the clubs involved? As a hypothetical situation, it is the last round of the year and the bottom two clubs are meeting, with both level on 3 wins and a similar percentage. The club that loses will collect the wooden spoon. However, in the upcoming draft is one of the most promising TAC cup players for many years. On a fine, warm sunny day, and on a firm dry ground, the teams put on a game of shockingly poor standard, eventually drawing on 3.8-26 each. If this actually happened, do you think there would be an investigation?
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Did Hawthorn, or did Hawthorn not, trade away quality AFL players to undertake a youth rebuilding policy?
why do you say were, what has carlton done to change this.
carlton finished 11th last year to me that just means that they still are not were.
One of the biggest tanks was North in 2006, the club managed to send a lot of their senior players off for early operations to have them fit and firing for season 2007.
They tanked so hard to get 14th and thought they had Gumbleton sewn-up but instead had to settle for Hanson - just goes to show north have always been crap even at tanking.
Collingwood 1999 & 2005.
Brisbane 1998.
WCE 2008.
Brisbane 1998.
WCE 2008.
Carlton have been tanking for years before the arrival of Judd, How else could Carlton of got Murphy, Gibbs and Kreuzer. Eagles just had a shocking year
Right... Denis Pagan threw his coaching job, reputation and dignity out the window for a club that was about to give him the arse
Yes I know... like 3 flags in a row... who ever heard of something so preposterous?
Considering the relative infancy of the draft, it comes as no surprise this hasn't occurred before.
Just a few years before the inaugural draft a team picked up FOUR spoons in a row (one in a draft year).
After the draft era began, the Sydney Swans finished bottom 3 times in a row.
That makes it 3 decades in a row where teams have picked up 3 consecutive spoons, so you're kinda off the mark with that one, especially as one of Carlon's picks came from finishing low the year before.
How else? Ummm... by being really, really bad?
Carlton won 11 games in 3 years of football. Kreuzer came by virtue of a priority pick for winning less than 5 games in 2 successive years. If it was a cunning plan to gain draft picks, the players sure did a great job of pretending they were absolutely rubbish footballers - including the 20-odd players and the head coach who were delisted/fired, and left football completely as a result. And the board who instigated the 'tanking' policy, who were ousted half-way through the ingenious scheme to hoard draft picks and get the team up to... 11th.
For anyone who forgets just how bad Carlton were, remember that even after the years of 'tanking' we still have just 7 players who were first-round draft picks on their list - all of whom were drafted after 2002 (except Judd, who was recruited in 2007). In comparison, Hawthorn have 14, West Coast have 8, and last-placed Melbourne currently have 10 players who were first-round picks. Basically, in 2002 Carlton had arguably the worst list ever assembled, and remain a middle-tier team despite draft concessions since.
Cruddy
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Thats correct taking recycled players that should have been shown the door in the first place . So like to see other teams with a bunch of recycled has beens trying to avoid the bottom of the ladder for a few years.
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