Ratten To Be Sacked

[Sarcoidevo]

surely their CEO goes too?

Finnis left a few weeks back

 

[tonygeeks]

Sure it was a sacking ?

No offence to the bloke but he looked unhealthy from the get go

 

[Sarcoidevo]

What’s wrong with David King? Tells the truth & I think there’s a lot of people who can’t handle it.

Makes plenty of big calls of which many he gets wrong and like most media pundits never admits he is wrong ...... he has a hatred for the Saints as well going back many years

 

[Scythe94]

 

[aussierulesrules]

Sure it was a sacking ?

No offence to the bloke but he looked unhealthy from the get go

Been comments about the poor apparent state of his health at the recent B&F.

 

[Toump Ass]

Presuming we go an untried coach after Ratts didn’t work, Yze for me.

Yze’s great appeal is that he’s already “de- Alan Richardson’d” a team successfully. Melbourne we’re playing an awful lot like the saints we’re under Richo when Yze arrived.

There’s a big skill-gap in coaching across the league so it’s crucial you identify who are the gun coaches. If you don’t have them, you don’t compete and you certainly don’t win premierships.

Coaches like Ratts are yesterday’s men. Older coaches like Choco and Pyke are still great as assistants because their strength was skills and ball movement which have become even more vital than ever.

The other big elephant in the room was Ratts was a basic, limited orator.

I’m glad the board had the necessary gumption to make a move like replacing Ratts with, hopefully Yze.

Running the coaches box while Goodwin and Choco were on the bench is a great apprenticeship, as well as the way he fixed up Melbourne’s forward 50 entries and defensive zone choreography: an area we are a long way behind the comp (our entries involve kicking it on the head of a blue chip young forward in Max King).

Waiting another year would have taken the likes of Yze off the market, ensures the gap between us at the rest of the competition becomes a chasm while we keep playing some limited footy and wastes another year of development accordingly as players don’t get any better in the environment we had.

LOL Yze’s been rejected by three clubs already, you’re basically begging the town bike for a ride.

Would be funny if he said “no thanks” but honestly, take him, he’s yours.

 

[g_TRAIN]

**** supporting this club sucks

 

[Sarcoidevo]

Media trying to make out that Ratten was the best coach in the league ...... freakin hilarious!!

Most Saints supporters are absolutely rapt he has been shown the door

No sembleance of a game plan and bog average match day coach

 

[kickazz]

Everything points toward them appointing someone in such a haphazard manner. They did it with their previous coach, and also Rattens extension. The club has leaders that have no sense of process. Appointing someone over the next few days without going through the process and finding the coach that can deliver to what the key outputs of the review showed will be another big mistake. But then again, I also have my doubts on the full integrity of the review.

You could argue that the haphazard approach is due to them feeling they need to be more opportunistic than clubs with more leverage when acquiring coaches that may become available.

But I think that is a poor approach - you might miss out on the A+ coaches but surely its better to calmly find someone appropraite and back them in properly, showing some trust and support.

 

[Red mist]

What’s wrong with David King? Tells the truth & I think there’s a lot of people who can’t handle it.

He’s poorly advised.

 

[kickazz]

Mission statements should be one or two sentences. Spread a bit thin there I recon. NZ? Come on...

 

[nineteen eighty]

You can never tell exactly what an assistant does of course, but a good way of assessing them is how a team was before they came and what happened after they arrived (presuming the head coach is the same person as it was in Melbourne’s case).

If he’s the main bloke in the box, you have to presume he has a big impact on making positional moves on setting structures up midweek.

There’s no way the Melbourne we saw with Goodwin and Alan Richardson was coached the same way as their Premiership year so no doubt Yze had an impact along with Choco Williams as they were the coaches they picked up in that off season.

Agree with those points. I think the first post of yours was a little overstated but no doubt assistants are key to success.

Who were Ratten's assistants this year?

 

[Incarnate]

 

[LordLucifer]

Surely st kilda are a relocation prospect.
They can't build a list at all, millions in debt, no assets (moorabbin oval is leased from City of kingston)

Sunshine Coast Saints

 

[HirdsTheWord]

Finnis left a few weeks back

sorry i meant & president.

 

[Bell Ringer]

how's this clown, forgotten that after missing finals again that it's been 20 years since his s**t side was relevant

Win, lose or draw, we'll always be more relevant than the Saints.

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[Bell Ringer]

Presuming we go an untried coach after Ratts didn’t work, Yze for me.

Yze’s great appeal is that he’s already “de- Alan Richardson’d” a team successfully. Melbourne we’re playing an awful lot like the saints we’re under Richo when Yze arrived.

There’s a big skill-gap in coaching across the league so it’s crucial you identify who are the gun coaches. If you don’t have them, you don’t compete and you certainly don’t win premierships.

Coaches like Ratts are yesterday’s men. Older coaches like Choco and Pyke are still great as assistants because their strength was skills and ball movement which have become even more vital than ever.

The other big elephant in the room was Ratts was a basic, limited orator.

I’m glad the board had the necessary gumption to make a move like replacing Ratts with, hopefully Yze.

Running the coaches box while Goodwin and Choco were on the bench is a great apprenticeship, as well as the way he fixed up Melbourne’s forward 50 entries and defensive zone choreography: an area we are a long way behind the comp (our entries involve kicking it on the head of a blue chip young forward in Max King).

Waiting another year would have taken the likes of Yze off the market, ensures the gap between us at the rest of the competition becomes a chasm while we keep playing some limited footy and wastes another year of development accordingly as players don’t get any better in the environment we had.

Yze is no Churchill, I'll give you the hot tip.

Tweeted like a 12 yo girl, BITD.

 

[Username Unknown]

I remember in gears retirement video. He mentioned in the what’s app video, him and skunk were the only ones trying to keep it alive in recent times. Small thing I know, but maybe the buy in and energy was not there any more

 

[slugger01]

Sunshine Coast Saints

No, turn the Saint into Tassie DEVILS..

 

[outabounds]

Not sure where St Kilda see where their list is but I don't think anybody coaching them would have them much higher.

 

[Ant_]

Wouldn't be the off-season without St Kilda making it interesting

 

[compact72]

Media trying to make out that Ratten was the best coach in the league ...... freakin hilarious!!

Most Saints supporters are absolutely rapt he has been shown the door

No sembleance of a game plan and bog average match day coach

A bit hard with a bunch of middle-tiered players...

 

[luke livingston seagull]

My view is that Ratts excels in assistant coaching roles where he can focus on football but struggles with the broader cultural and management aspects of the senior job. A big issue at Carlton was his inability to delegate and empower his assistants and on-field leaders. That video where he was imploring Saints players to demand higher standards of each other looked to me as if the same problems were occurring. May have been too little too late.

 

[Rich01]

You could argue that the haphazard approach is due to them feeling they need to be more opportunistic than clubs with more leverage when acquiring coaches that may become available.

But I think that is a poor approach - you might miss out on the A+ coaches but surely its better to calmly find someone appropraite and back them in properly, showing some trust and support.

We will see. For all the failings that the review will pin on Ratten, they better have a better alternative to take them into 2023.

 

[JackFlash]

Wow, they re-sign Ratten in July, commence a review almost immediatley after, miss out on De Goey, do little at the trade table and come to the conclusion that the coach was at fault and then sack him. Perhaps they should sack the reviewers who did the sacking?
Now, the rumour is Ross Lyon will return with Lenny Hayes

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? They cannot be serious! Hayes yes, Harvey yes, but will they return to Ross Lyon and that empty briefcase of game plans? If Ratten had a poor game plan surely the Saints hierarchy must've known that when they re-signed him? Perhaps behind the scenes needs to be looked at?

Seeing as the club is in turmoil Lyon could be perfect for the Saints as he might as well be pushing the button on traffic lights as undergo a process to caoch a footy club? Saints fans must be pulling their hair out?

St.Kilda should have the advantages of being located where they are, the entire south of Melbourne down to the penisula should be Saints territory for fans and players alike, it's a pretty good lifestyle if you live in Brighton? The Saints were 8-3 at one stage in 2022 and were the last team to beat Geelong. What in the wide woeld of sports happened?
IMO the Saints should go for a Hayes/Harvey combo or people who are similar... But who would take on the job with any real confidence unless they were real Saints people in the first place. If you were an outsider you would be looking over your shoulder at every turn.