If Carlton loses and are out in the fisrt week of the finals then I would say he would still get an extension unless Malthouse is interested. Other than Malthouse there aren't any coaches that are worth replacing Ratten with who are availiable.
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Ratten's Future
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Yes, Ratten will be fine. Carlton have not over or underachieved. They are a decent run with injuries, a centerman a tall forward and a ruckman who can contribute up forward away from a premiership.
With a full side we are top 4 material but have been struck down with injury. We are and have been taking steps forward every year for a long time, now to keep it going.
With a full side we are top 4 material but have been struck down with injury. We are and have been taking steps forward every year for a long time, now to keep it going.
He is safe, done enough this year.
Why would Carlton sack Ratten if (and it's a pretty big if!) Carlton get knocked out of the finals in the first week?
Look at the Eagles:
2002: Knocked out in first week
2003: Knocked out in first week
2004: Knocked out in first week
2005: Runners-up
2006: Premiers
We never sacked Woosha after 2004. Hell, we didn't sack him after 2010 and look where we are now
Look at the Eagles:
2002: Knocked out in first week
2003: Knocked out in first week
2004: Knocked out in first week
2005: Runners-up
2006: Premiers
We never sacked Woosha after 2004. Hell, we didn't sack him after 2010 and look where we are now
What a strange thread.
I thought it was win a final or goodbye. Black and white. Ratts understood exactly where he stood and the club understood exactly where they stood.
I thought it was win a final or goodbye. Black and white. Ratts understood exactly where he stood and the club understood exactly where they stood.
laminex
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So you read the paper huh?
Rats and Swan said this was never the case.
So you thought wrong.
So what's the pass mark then? If Ratts fails then surely Blues' fans would want to move him on?
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Winning without Laidler, Henderson and Hampson? Wowser, sign this bloke up! 10 years minimum!
Well it's definitely an improvement from 3 years of spoons
laminex
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That i do not know, the club will do what it will do and i will read about when it is done.
SexyBlueGirl
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Pretty much, in the unlikely event of:
1. Carlton losing badly to Essendon.
2. Mick M putting his hand up to coach.
I wouldn't rule it out, but even then it's likely Ratten would continue.
Actually, I'm curious as to why Ross Lyon doesn't get more scrutinised by you folk for the exact same reasons.
I doubt Malthouse is the solution to take Carlton to a flag. The list in it's current form should improve next year whether they are coached by Ratten or MM.
My guess is that Ratten will keep his spot plus the fact that the players want him there
Don't worry about Mick. That moment has come and gone.
Ratten will get 2 years and we may even hear about it before the finals
Ross Lyon? For what? He got St Kilda to the grand final 2 years in a row.
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A loss in week one again will heap the pressure on Ratten from media and fans alike, but I think the Club knows where it is heading.
Despite the Carlton hatred from most sectors, Ratten has improved the side little by little every year he has been in charge. Two galling losses in finals have made him and the team easy pickings for naysayers, yet a little fortune and we would have won both - interstate.
We 'should' have finished in the Top 4 this season, and you get the feeling from 2012 onwards the Blues will be a genuine and serious premiership threat for a few years.
The Essendon game is 'must win' in terms of getting the monkey off the back and instilling a bit more belief in the group. We're a good team, but no Carlton fan believed that we'd win it this year. Still, get over the Bombers and we could easily make a Prelim against an ageing Geelong, then who knows?
In summation, Ratten will keep his job but no-one can deny the deserved scrutiny he'll be under if we go out in week one again. At some stage you've got to stop talking about the future and start delivering.
Despite the Carlton hatred from most sectors, Ratten has improved the side little by little every year he has been in charge. Two galling losses in finals have made him and the team easy pickings for naysayers, yet a little fortune and we would have won both - interstate.
We 'should' have finished in the Top 4 this season, and you get the feeling from 2012 onwards the Blues will be a genuine and serious premiership threat for a few years.
The Essendon game is 'must win' in terms of getting the monkey off the back and instilling a bit more belief in the group. We're a good team, but no Carlton fan believed that we'd win it this year. Still, get over the Bombers and we could easily make a Prelim against an ageing Geelong, then who knows?
In summation, Ratten will keep his job but no-one can deny the deserved scrutiny he'll be under if we go out in week one again. At some stage you've got to stop talking about the future and start delivering.
It's nice and easy to say it comes down to one game, but even ardent Carlton haters would admit the Blues are a much stronger outfit this year than the past two. Ratten has the Blues in good shape. A loss in the first final would be hugely disappointing, but not really an accurate reflection of the year's performance.
I think we've fundamentally got our recruiting backwards over the past ~7 years which is why we're chock full of midfielders ready to dominate but have no imposing options at either end of the ground. That said, the Blues' window opens next year. It won't be open for long, but it will open. And I think Ratten has the Blues only a huge Kreuzer September, or a Waite special away from a GF/flag tilt. That's not happening this year... but Judd, Murphy, Simpson, etc will get the Blues deep again next year.
A bit of clever trading or recruitment this offseason could be the final piece.
I stand by my tip, that Ratten gets extended, and probably BEFORE the Essendon game to indicate the club's confidence and commitment.
I think we've fundamentally got our recruiting backwards over the past ~7 years which is why we're chock full of midfielders ready to dominate but have no imposing options at either end of the ground. That said, the Blues' window opens next year. It won't be open for long, but it will open. And I think Ratten has the Blues only a huge Kreuzer September, or a Waite special away from a GF/flag tilt. That's not happening this year... but Judd, Murphy, Simpson, etc will get the Blues deep again next year.
A bit of clever trading or recruitment this offseason could be the final piece.
I stand by my tip, that Ratten gets extended, and probably BEFORE the Essendon game to indicate the club's confidence and commitment.
As a matter of interest how many neutral supporters picked Carlton to win their final in 2009 & 2010?
Both games were against teams who finished higher and were played interstate and both games were lost by under a goal.
Both games were against teams who finished higher and were played interstate and both games were lost by under a goal.
Umm and don't forget the best player in the land.
They will lynch ratten if it's a quick exit again.
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If we lose the EF, and I don't think we will, then Ratts can go. I'd be happy with Eade, reckon he is a good coach who has taken his teams beyond their talent.
A new coach won't make a massive difference, but 5-10% can be significant. If we don't get a flag in the next 3-4 yrs then it might be a long wait. By 2016 GC will be a powerhouse, the draft will have been crap for 3 years, and Juddy will be 30+. Whoever is coach in 2012 needs to be taking us forward quickly
A new coach won't make a massive difference, but 5-10% can be significant. If we don't get a flag in the next 3-4 yrs then it might be a long wait. By 2016 GC will be a powerhouse, the draft will have been crap for 3 years, and Juddy will be 30+. Whoever is coach in 2012 needs to be taking us forward quickly
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Not so black & white as 'win a final or you're out' Carlton's improvement this year is fairly obvious, to bring in a new coach like a Roos or Malthouse with a new gameplan would just mean starting from scratch.
I'm obviously not 'happy' to lose another final in the first week but I don't think a new coach is the answer.
I'm obviously not 'happy' to lose another final in the first week but I don't think a new coach is the answer.
What about if we don't win a final next year as well? would you then say move him on? why not now if he fails?
Crying out loud we will be maximum missing one of our best 30 players come the first final playing a side we beat by 13 goals, if we cannot win that then he should fall on his sword.
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