Preview Rd 18 Pies V Cats Fri July 12 2024 740 pm @ MCG

[D BRIDGE]

LOL. Is it?? Is that all his job is??
Was Mannagh thinking his job was just as a small crumbing forward that just kick 1-2 goals?
I think the days of one dimensional mid sized half forwards that take 3 marks and kick 2 goals 1... and a tackle with another 3-4 zero impact possessions are from a bygone era.
Mannagh went back and had to do/learn/achieve certain goals that are expected of a well rounded player that can contribute in more than 1 or 2 aspects of the game.
Mannagh will do what we expect from Close Miers Stengle... Hell, even Dempsey worked on more aspects on his game to become a more rounded player that he has become.
FWIW OH needs some of that education.
Never know he might stick a tackle or two and chase and harass in that 50 arc.
Harsh? Yeah maybe. But so is the game of Football.
Cheers

Definitely worried about Henry’s very one dimensional game.

He certainly has talent… but if he has a goalless game, you’d be pretty confident in thinking he didn’t do much else.

Mannagh didn’t kick one snag last week, but was influential in so many moments.

That’s the difference between being a “goal kicker” and be a more rounded player.

I have always thought of Henry as a striker.

When strikers are kicking goals… you’ll turn a blind eye to whatever they don’t do… but when the goals dry up, you really start to think “what is this guy offering”.

I almost wouldn’t be disappointed to see him play half back (in the VFL).

Jeremy Howe once was a mark or nothing high leaping player… and he has turned into a great intercepting back.

The issue is Howe is 192/193cm and Henry is only 189cm.

Henry needs more tricks.
He has talent.
I’m not convinced extra tricks will just happen over time.

Fingers crossed they do.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

LOL. Is it?? Is that all his job is??
Was Mannagh thinking his job was just as a small crumbing forward that just kick 1-2 goals?
I think the days of one dimensional mid sized half forwards that take 3 marks and kick 2 goals 1... and a tackle with another 3-4 zero impact possessions are from a bygone era.
Mannagh went back and had to do/learn/achieve certain goals that are expected of a well rounded player that can contribute in more than 1 or 2 aspects of the game.
Mannagh will do what we expect from Close Miers Stengle... Hell, even Dempsey worked on more aspects on his game to become a more rounded player that he has become.
FWIW OH needs some of that education.
Never know he might stick a tackle or two and chase and harass in that 50 arc.
Harsh? Yeah maybe. But so is the game of Football.
Cheers

Exactly this… I don’t know if Ollie Henry wants to or is prepared to go to work or if he is too obsessed with being a stay at home key forward in his mind.

I am not a huge fan of what he gives. He is a very poor rounded player. His weaknesses cost our dynamics

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Definitely worried about Henry’s very one dimensional game.

He certainly has talent… but if he has a goalless game, you’d be pretty confident in thinking he didn’t do much else.

Mannagh didn’t kick one snag last week, but was influential in so many moments.

That’s the difference between being a “goal kicker” and be a more rounded player.

I have always thought of Henry as a striker.

When strikers are kicking goals… you’ll turn a blind eye to whatever they don’t do… but when the goals dry up, you really start to think “what is this guy offering”.

I almost wouldn’t be disappointed to see him play half back (in the VFL).

Jeremy Howe once was a mark or nothing high leaping player… and he has turned into a great intercepting back.

The issue is Howe is 192/193cm and Henry is only 189cm.

Henry needs more tricks.
He has talent.
I’m not convinced extra tricks will just happen over time.

Fingers crossed they do.

This is spot on. If he doesn’t kick a few goals, his influence on a match is basically a liability

 

[Seeds]

Cos that’s his job!


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That job isnt enough and he aint good enough at it anyway.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

That job isnt enough and he aint good enough at it anyway.

Keep him in the reserves. He needs to be given a kick up the arse to work hard on other skill sets

 

[Gee Class Loco]

Exactly this… I don’t know if Ollie Henry wants to or is prepared to go to work or if he is too obsessed with being a stay at home key forward in his mind.

I am not a huge fan of what he gives. He is a very poor rounded player. His weaknesses cost our dynamics

Spot On. Yes Yeah Yep.... on all 5 points.

 

[BORIS332]

Definitely worried about Henry’s very one dimensional game.

He certainly has talent… but if he has a goalless game, you’d be pretty confident in thinking he didn’t do much else.

Mannagh didn’t kick one snag last week, but was influential in so many moments.

That’s the difference between being a “goal kicker” and be a more rounded player.

I have always thought of Henry as a striker.

When strikers are kicking goals… you’ll turn a blind eye to whatever they don’t do… but when the goals dry up, you really start to think “what is this guy offering”.

I almost wouldn’t be disappointed to see him play half back (in the VFL).

Jeremy Howe once was a mark or nothing high leaping player… and he has turned into a great intercepting back.

The issue is Howe is 192/193cm and Henry is only 189cm.

Henry needs more tricks.
He has talent.
I’m not convinced extra tricks will just happen over time.

Fingers crossed they do.

He kicked 41 goals last season as a 20 year old - ranked equal 15th across the AFL. He's fine.

 

[small 4wards]

Criticism of Ollie Henry's feeling a bit far fetched at this point, he's 21, started decently to the season and is now in a form slump combined with missing games from injury.

 

[goyoucatters]

With what is to come, this clearly looks to be the second most difficult match-up we will face before the prospect of some September footy. Pies are knocked about physically (and perhaps even a little psychologically) but we know they will absolutely bring it in spades against us.

So this is actually a really great test for us at this point in time. Can we replicate the intention that we've seen over the last six quarters of footy to apply early and relentless pressure? Can the players who've moved the needle on their own performances in the past fortnight continue their improved form? And can we get back to winning a huge game at the 'G against a highly motivated and massively supported opponent?

While the last two wins mean that a loss here to an undermanned Pies outfit wouldn't be catastrophic, it would underline to me that we're probably not rising sufficiently to be a real threat in September. Having said that, I'm hopeful that if we see an effort in keeping with the last couple of games, then the result will probably look after itself. And conversion in front of goal will of course be a massive factor once again.

Unless injuries have intervened, I think we're a decent chance to see 'no change' at the selection table. Sub position will be up for grabs, though, with Clark or Tuohy my probables for the role this week.

Cats by 15, provided we can get through to half time without being blown away.

 

[moond0g]

I don't understand anyone wanting to drop Neale for Henry at all. Neale drops a few marks though he's getting better at that quickly, but he presents as a key. If you play Henry as a key he will be too easily outmarked and so you allow their 2nd kpd to play a bit of roaming interceptor.

Just doesn't make any sense to me

I think it's as simple as, if you don't want to play a 21/22yo KPF when Hawkins is out injured, why bother having him on the list at all?

I'd be very surprised if Neale doesn't play every game for the rest of the year, regardless of how well he performs. The fact he's actually performing ok means I'd be even more surprised if he were to be dropped

 

[moond0g]

Maybe, but there's also a silver lining that there's only one likely finalist that we'll face in the run from here.

Most finalists won't have seen their structure up against this new system and with their own battles to fight from here they'd be unlikely to have sunk enough time into their analysis to do anything but back their structure.

You only play each team once on average (or maybe twice if you're lucky) over the course of the whole season anyway, so you'd think most of the analysis clubs are doing on anything, including Stewart as a mid, would be based on games they're not actually involved in

 

[Pollywaffle]

Keep him in the reserves. He needs to be given a kick up the arse to work hard on other skill sets

Modern game is unforgiving on such players. A bit more height would get him a spot in any team but he is stuck in the ‘middle’ range. Does he play as a forward in the magoos? Not sure that will help him add strings to his bow. He definitely has talent though. Maybe a big aerobic pre season or two. I think I remember him running down his bro in a Collingwood game(??) so he does have it in him.

 

[Gee Class Loco]

Criticism of Ollie Henry's feeling a bit far fetched at this point, he's 21, started decently to the season and is now in a form slump combined with missing games from injury.

I'd say valid points are being highlighted.
Rather than being far fetched.
If we want to talk about his age (22 in 2 weeks), games played (61 in 4 years) or his form (average at best) then that is another discussion all together.
Cheers

 

[Seeds]

Criticism of Ollie Henry's feeling a bit far fetched at this point, he's 21, started decently to the season and is now in a form slump combined with missing games from injury.

No one is saying he doesnt have potential or is a dud. He just isnt good enough right now given the makeup of our foward line. Age is irrelevant when you are picking the team for right now. And whether we believe it or not we are in the race for a flag at the backend of a season. The right now is all we should be focussing on.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I don't understand anyone wanting to drop Neale for Henry at all. Neale drops a few marks though he's getting better at that quickly, but he presents as a key. If you play Henry as a key he will be too easily outmarked and so you allow their 2nd kpd to play a bit of roaming interceptor.

Just doesn't make any sense to me

I think we overthink it sometimes you should pick your best 22 and adjust roles accordingly.
Henry is definitely best 22.
Rohan maybe is.
Neale isnt (yet)

So i wouldnt pick him.
But i understand why for structure we probably will this week.

 

[year of the cat]

I think we overthink it sometimes you should pick your best 22 and adjust roles accordingly.
Henry is definitely best 22.
Rohan maybe is.
Neale isnt (yet)

So i wouldnt pick him.
But i understand why for structure we probably will this week.

Rohan is ahead of Henry atm. That’s not to say it will remain this way for the rest of the season. But right NOW, Rohan plays ahead of Ollie.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Will not be shocked if scott does a scott thing and dumps mannagh or puts rohan back to the sub role.

Post hoc justification will then flood this thread afterwards.

Mannagh as sub would be ridiculous given his game last week.
rohan sub as a swap for henry would make sense but i doubt it.
Clark will probably be sub or an older guy like tuohy or knevitt if he comes in (i hope humphries isnt sub)

Rohan is ahead of Henry atm. That’s not to say it will remain this way for the rest of the season. But right NOW, Rohan plays ahead of Ollie.

Disagree and i dont think the coaches think rohan is ahead of henry.

 

[#6 Thorp #7 Selwood LOL]

Scotty very non-commital about Knevitt coming back in. Mentioned Bews a couple of times, but I don't think he will come in either. Might go unchanged 23 tonight.

 

[BORIS332]

Modern game is unforgiving on such players. A bit more height would get him a spot in any team but he is stuck in the ‘middle’ range. Does he play as a forward in the magoos? Not sure that will help him add strings to his bow. He definitely has talent though. Maybe a big aerobic pre season or two. I think I remember him running down his bro in a Collingwood game(??) so he does have it in him.

This is a weak argument. There's tons of good medium sized forwards: Will Hayward, Bayley Fritsch, Jake Waterman, Kyle Langford, Jake Stringer, Mitch Georgiades. This board does the wildest mental gymnastics to convince itself of problems we don't have.

 

[No Quarter]

Rohan ahead of Henry is laughable to me. It's humorous to me just how many people think that all 22 of the players that take the field should be bonafide superstars.

 

[Vdubs]

This is spot on. If he doesn’t kick a few goals, his influence on a match is basically a liability

Depends entirely on his job description, and what CS et al ask him to do. He creates perceived pressure as well as direct pressure. SOMEBODY has to be the elite high mark and goal kicking finisher. Still a really young player with the footy world at his feet. We are very spoiled by the 40 odd goals he scored last year in a very poor season as far as the team was concerned. He WAS the bright light. Sometimes people just do not appreciate what they have.

 

[goyoucatters]

This is a weak argument. There's tons of good medium sized forwards: Will Hayward, Bayley Fritsch, Jake Waterman, Kyle Langford, Jake Stringer, Mitch Georgiades. This board does the wildest mental gymnastics to convince itself of problems we don't have.

I think there's plenty of merit to what you have outlined here.

One thing is for sure, though. I'm pretty sure the M.C. aren't laying awake at night worrying about how to solve a 'problem' like one Oliver Henry. Injury notwithstanding, the #36 is destined to play a truckload of senior games in the hoops before his career is out. While he doesn't do everything brilliantly, he does more than enough at a really high level to mean he will be a key player for us for many years to come.

 

[Johanpetro]

Rohan ahead of Henry is laughable to me. It's humorous to me just how many people think that all 22 of the players that take the field should be bonafide superstars.

You’re having a laugh. Rohan is well ahead of Henry right now if we choosing between the 2. Rohan been huge the last couple of weeks.

 

[Finknottle]

Rohan ahead of Henry is laughable to me. It's humorous to me just how many people think that all 22 of the players that take the field should be bonafide superstars.

One word: defensive pressure
...2 words

 

[D BRIDGE]

He kicked 41 goals last season as a 20 year old - ranked equal 15th across the AFL. He's fine.

I acknowledge he can kick goals, but I’m not burying my head in the sand and pretending that he doesn’t have a long way to go.

If those goals dry up… he offers very little.

I’d love for him to become an absolute jet… but I have my concerns.