Autopsy Rd 23 Carlton v Port Post Match Discussion

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Anyone think we got back into the game playing a more Ratten style? We did the same against Richmond both times & Saints the first time. Mick's style of playing the boundary is too stop & start and doesn't play to our strengths (speed, fast breaks & running and linking up through the corridor).

Anyway, bring on the Tigers. I've said all year the team I want to play week 1 is Richmond. And Jake King confirmed why on radio tonight. He admitted because he's never played finals before he has no idea what to expect. Well guess what, we do. We've done it before and we'll do it again. Just like Geelong over Hawthorn, we have it over Richmond. Not to mention when any amount of pressure is applied the Tigers roll over. They aren't ranked DEAD LAST in the league for tackles for no reason.


First of all I would like to apologise to the fellow patrons at the Riversdale Hotel. A hoarse voice post-match tells me that I did not sit quietly sipping my beer.

As to your question, I think so. In the first game of the season IIRC MM said post-match that the team had failed to implement his game-plan and in the last quarter he relaxed its application. The last quarter against Port seemed to me to be Carlton players not applying a pre-ordained game plan. Rather, it was Carlton players "playing football". That is, going in hard for the footy, looking for the best option (whatever the game plan might have been) and if in doubt kicking it long down the ground to the next contest. Doing this, the players got instant rewards and increased confidence.

It is reasonably clear to me that when we apply the "MM game-plan":
(1) the opposition are expecting us to kick long down the line and are well-trained to outnumber us in that part of the ground;
(2) as a consequence the ball gets turned over and fired back into our defensive zone with all sorts of spaces open for opposition players to run into; and
(3) we lose confidence. A player faced with the need to kick the ball "long down the line" in following the game plan "knows" that this isn't the best place to kick the ball and confusion sets in.

Before the game there were plenty of posters expressing the view that "fading" in the last quarter, and at the end of quarters, was a Carlton trait (looking at you ODN). I disagreed with the implication that we were less fit than other sides. I believed that last quarter fades was simply the consequence of chasing tail all day (and diminishing confidence). IMO Port have shown this year that they are one of the best last quarter teams in the competition (having been the worst last year). The fact that we ran all over Port in the last quarter should give confidence to posters that in this department we are at least the equal of the best sides. And with McLean back in we will be even stronger.
 
I cannot remember another Carlton game in recent memory where we've had that many goals running and bouncing inside 50 on our own (and kicked 'em). The last quarter I think we had 3, 4, 5? That's overlap running and linking through the centre square, something we seem to forget to do 2.5 quarters per game. It's also a time we kick faaaaaaaaaaaaar too many points, usually. Was great that the guys drilled 'em.

Given we're not a big powerful side to bulldoze clearances, we don't have great kicking skills like a Hawthorn, but we DO have plenty of guys with speed and fitness, it seems a no-brainer that we play our best when we get the opportunity to run in waves with handballs.
 
Is it just me or does this clearly show the ball was NOT (completely) out?? Why are folks so convinced it was?

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Gotta love coming into work on Monday with a huge smile on the face knowing we are going to play an Elimination final, even better when I live in Perth and there is one other Carlton supporter in the place. Oh Happy Days.
 
So where any BF'ers sitting in bay 136? There were quite a few Blues fans there. Couple of funny blokes there lol

Geez I still grin like an idiot thinking about when that final siren went. :D
 
Is it just me or does this clearly show the ball was NOT (completely) out?? Why are folks so convinced it was?

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That doesn't prove anything to me really. I admit i thought it was out and still think it may have, but its so hard to tell for sure from the angles provided. The boundary umpire was in the perfect position to see it, so i'm happy with it being called in.
 
To me it looks like the top half of the ball is over the white line, a bit like in tennis when the ball hits the outside of the line it is still in.


What's confusing to me is why two teammates are fighting over the ball!?
 
After Saturday nights jumper clash with Port Adelaide, Carlton has announced it will scrap this year's clash jumper for a new strip which will be released this week.

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Fans got a sneak peak of the new jumper yesterday with a photo posted on the Blues' twitter account.





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People will say anything to justify to themselves the outcome that they want. They want to believe that we are illegitimate finalists, and if that ball were out then it would back up their argument.
Isn't that also close to the area where they threw the ball to Wingard late in the game for a goal......

Technically there but damn hard to pick up, I thought it was clearly out from my position on the couch !!
 
Before the game there were plenty of posters expressing the view that "fading" in the last quarter, and at the end of quarters, was a Carlton trait (looking at you ODN). I disagreed with the implication that we were less fit than other sides. I believed that last quarter fades was simply the consequence of chasing tail all day (and diminishing confidence).

Look at me all you want. I posted stats to back up what I had said. Just because we then have a good last quarter, it doesn't make what has occurred before it any less true.

As for the implication, better to address what I said, not what you think I meant. I have been suggesting all year, including in our podcasts that I believe Mick's game plan is tiring and we run out of legs. I have also suggested that we need to play to our strengths and run with the ball more often.

Not a lot of future in trying to call out fellow supporters. We're more community and less point scoring here.
 
We have all summer now to get the right balance between Micks wants and the physical strengths of our playing group.
Even when Yarran was running into goal in that last quarter he looked as though he may have just been second guessing as to what he should do.

Yes, Mick said early in the piece that he would implement a game plan to suit our players but with a defensive edge. It's a game plan that looks terrible when picked apart and we wait to long to change it up. A lot of instinctive footballers in our side and we don't want to coach that out of us. I'm hoping the defensive stuff they have been taught, is transferable to different game plans, and becomes instinctive as well. I remember we started Ratten in the back pocket and he was one of our most defensive midfielders whilst being an extremely attacking extractor.

That was probably the most dynamic quarter of football we've put forward all year.
I know that throwing caution to the wind doesn't always work but it sure looks good when it does.

I'd probably rather lose playing free flowing exciting football, than boring formula based football that we can't grasp. Of course I'd rather win by perfecting both and combining as the need arises.
 
I actually don't mind going defensive for 3 quarters then all out Ratten-style in the last. The only problem is the defensive plan still leaks plenty of goals, ie getting 39 points down.

Having a fantastic attacking plan and instinctive players gives us a very good trick up our sleeve and a nice little Plan B.
 

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