Autopsy Rd 7 vs North. Terrible loss, poor skills, never in it.

[Curnivore]

Betts left in days of MM.

But since you seem to be into lists, here's one you may be interested in:
Kerridge
Lamb
Sumner
Gorringe
Wright
Schmedts
Palmer
Mullet
O'Shea

All brought in by SOS and all delisted within 4 years for no return.

Edit: Sorry it's actually 3 years.

Kerridge, Lamb, Sumner, Wright, Plowman and Phillips for Menzel. Which side got more out the trade?
Schmedts- Fair call
Gorringe- Fair Call
Palmer- Salary cap dump to get Pickett and Marchbank
Mullet- Fair call
O'shea- Our captain did his ACL and his VFL form warrented another crack at AFL
And you have to give it to SOS, if they didn't come on, bang, they are out. No mucking around.

 

[Accidental genius]

Big difference between a tall KPP such as Harry trying to find his way in our reserves as he was when playing there .
Than a mid such as O'Brien who would be in the thick of the action at reserves level .
Honestly don't why why some think playing reserves is detrimental to development especially if you are a mid .
In O'Brien's case being a physically underdeveloped mid its exactly where he should be imo .

He has all that plus 40000 spectators at afl level. He will develop a lot quicker is my point. Who is LOBs competitor for his position? None of our players has his speed and kicking accuracy.

 

[Accidental genius]

Doesn't seem it's detrimental to the development of Kennedy.

Kennedy is lacking work rate. I would rather give opportunities at senior level to players that want to play first..

 

[Accidental genius]

Yeah he's a mid if a mid can't do well at reserves level most likely means they are just no good .
Our reserves are looking quite competitive this year so can't see any reason why a mid can't be dropped to work on their game or develop there until physically ready to step up .

Normally I would agree. Our club is trying to develop players as quickly as possible ...it is frustrating watching your side lose nearly every week but club has gone down this road..

 

[Iamcarlton]

He has all that plus 40000 spectators at afl level. He will develop a lot quicker is my point. Who is LOBs competitor for his position? None of our players has his speed and kicking accuracy.

Given it seems the MC is using him in somewhat of a run with role in not sure they are using his attributes to best effect so his attributes are being watered down because of this imo .
Can't use your speed or left leg to best effect if your not getting the pill or able to get the pill .
Add in that he's getting so easily pushed off the contest I just can't agree that its better for his development .
Imo Kennedy and or Setters in and pushing 1 of Dow or Fisher out to a wing is a better option .

 

[Iamcarlton]

Kennedy is lacking work rate. I would rather give opportunities at senior level to players that want to play first..

I don't believe he's lacking workrate at all and given the senior team's effort on the weekend regarding workrate he should have a few mates dropping down to play along side him if that where the case .

 

[Accidental genius]

I don't believe he's lacking workrate at all and given the senior team's effort on the weekend regarding workrate he should have a few mates dropping down to play along side him if that where the case .

Agree ..90% of the team should be dropped...horrendous effort last week no respect for self, jumper, coach or Ed 150th....

 

[Arr0w]

Attention all, Judd has tonight Vindicated some of the maligned posters on here with his comments tonight.
I alluded to some mail last week and was shot down by a couple, Gardiner Stand mentioned a few things and was shot down. I can't speak on the validity of his comments but they were similar to what I had heard.

As Judd said, growth and going on about young players are inappropriate, and we don't want a loser culture.

Wins are what matters

Go on, tell me exactly what Judd said verbatim, that vindicates what you or anyone else has stated, or this so called mail you had

 

[Accidental genius]

Given it seems the MC is using him in somewhat of a run with role in not sure they are using his attributes to best effect so his attributes are being watered down because of this imo .
Can't use your speed or left leg to best effect if your not getting the pill or able to get the pill .
Add in that he's getting so easily pushed off the contest I just can't agree that its better for his development .
Imo Kennedy and or Setters in and pushing 1 of Dow or Fisher out to a wing is a better option .

Setters in would be welcome relief. Dow and fish need to be in coal face...fish is doing really well there and Dow needs to improve kicking and decision making.

 

[blue healer]

Kennedy is lacking work rate. I would rather give opportunities at senior level to players that want to play first..

Do you really think Kennedy, at 22yo and at his second club doesn't want to play firsts?

 

[Accidental genius]

Do you really think Kennedy, at 22yo and at his second club doesn't want to play firsts?

Hard to believe but it appears that way...from what I’ve seen he moves like a tractor...

 

[Soapy V]

Attention all, Judd has tonight Vindicated some of the maligned posters on here with his comments tonight.
I alluded to some mail last week and was shot down by a couple, Gardiner Stand mentioned a few things and was shot down. I can't speak on the validity of his comments but they were similar to what I had heard.

As Judd said, growth and going on about young players are inappropriate, and we don't want a loser culture.

Wins are what matters

Bizarro POTY

 

[TheHeatleyStand]

SOS said he was in best six of last years draft so it follows that he must be good. Don't let his poor debut fool you...

The % didn't agree with sos because nobody else thought he was

SOS doesn't get them right all the time as we have seen

 

[Soapy V]

do you actually have any idea where you are posting at the minute?

I certainly don’t. I’m very confused

 

[TheHeatleyStand]

It isn't vindication at all. Its the bleeding obvious thing to say. The difference is in the context and the length of time those maligned posters you reference have been saying this stuff from way back and long before it was appropriate.
Naturally the focus is going to shift away from talking about youth and always was going to at the right time.
Nevertheless it was the youngest side. The least experienced in my memory we ever put out on the field with three of six defenders that had been functioning well out injured and no ruck. Thats not excuses its the facts. Its also a fact that for 6 weeks we performed above expectations. Its not a losing culture its an under 23's side against a lot of backs to the wall senior shinboners. In fact the longer it goes since the final siren the less important this match is to us other than as a reminder of the hard road ahead still.

I thought we had the youngest side last year?

is this about the youngest side?

will we be even younger next year?


how young can we go and use that as an excuse for the 66 game rebuild which was announced April 2015

 

[Soapy V]

He has all that plus 40000 spectators at afl level. He will develop a lot quicker is my point. Who is LOBs competitor for his position? None of our players has his speed and kicking accuracy.

All I want to see is Lochie play his natural role. I don’t care if it’s reserves or seniors. Playing as a decoy isn’t helping anyone IMO

 

[Arr0w]

I thought we had the youngest side last year?

is this about the youngest side?

will we be even younger next year?


how young can we go and use that as an excuse for the 66 game rebuild which was announced April 2015

This list is the youngest of Bolton & SOS's tenure

I see many people mentioning the 66 game rebuild, I really wonder what they think it really means

Rebuilding a core group to come through together? Playing finals at game 67? Would really like to understand that mindset

 

[TheHeatleyStand]

This list is the youngest of Bolton & SOS's tenure

I see many people mentioning the 66 game rebuild, I really wonder what they think it really means

Rebuilding a core group to come through together? Playing finals at game 67? Would really like to understand that mindset

ok

let's look at it
silvagni has traded it drafted for players who aren't younger and younger
what's Kennedy doing in the seconds?
ling?
Kerr?
setterfield?
where's Bugg and lamb? ( Lamb could have still made this team easily)
sure can bring in stocker

and that's the excuse?

 

[Arr0w]

All I want to see is Lochie play his natural role. I don’t care if it’s reserves or seniors. Playing as a decoy isn’t helping anyone IMO

Soap, I think all draftees need to work on aspects of their game and that never really stops throughout their career

Some are more advanced than others, but all of them will find their true level around 4-5 years in the system, which appears with ongoing consistency

IMHO, I think LOB's natural role will be a 2 way running wingman, similar to Gaff, but with a more dangerous left peg

I am not concerned about him at all

 

[TheHeatleyStand]

All I want to see is Lochie play his natural role. I don’t care if it’s reserves or seniors. Playing as a decoy isn’t helping anyone IMO

why would he be a decoy? who would feel he's dangerous enough to draw players away?

it's more likely he is playing how he feels he can but can't get near the ball

The decoy thing is bizarre..I would like to hear that from the club

The thing is.. he was drafted to spread and kick but he can't get into the games at all ( he wasn't even included in the sides in the early part) and he has shown why

if he was a "decoy" now

he would have been a decoy then too!

he just needs to work on all his deficiencies in the twos!

 

[blue healer]

Kerridge, Lamb, Sumner, Wright, Plowman and Phillips for Menzel. Which side got more out the trade?
Schmedts- Fair call
Gorringe- Fair Call
Palmer- Salary cap dump to get Pickett and Marchbank
Mullet- Fair call
O'shea- Our captain did his ACL and his VFL form warrented another crack at AFL
And you have to give it to SOS, if they didn't come on, bang, they are out. No mucking around.

I would propose that the call on Kerridge and Lamb was made too early given our age profile and Plowman, Phillips, Pickett and, even Marchbank, are yet to prove themselves worthy of a position in a finals contending team.

Just as a point of interest, I think Phillips was also a salary dump and the same year they traded out a 201cm ruckman they rookied a DFA from Geelong who was 210cms and 2 years older. Dawson Simpson is still on their list and, if current form is anything to go by, likely to remain at GWS beyond Phillips tenure here.

 

[Iamcarlton]

Setters in would be welcome relief. Dow and fish need to be in coal face...fish is doing really well there and Dow needs to improve kicking and decision making.

I don't agree whatsoever with the mix of players we are using through the midfield atm it's just too young and underdeveloped .
Just because a player may get moved to a slightly different role doesn't mean they won't be able to still hone their inside work footy is a contested game all over the park not just in centre clearances .
Their young very young they have plenty of time and again given the balance imo it would be better for the team and possibly in Dows case maybe realease a bit of pressure and give him in some instances a bit extra time to execute .
JMO .

 

[blue healer]

Hard to believe but it appears that way...from what I’ve seen he moves like a tractor...

Jeezuz and I'm regarded as a negative poster.

 

[TheHeatleyStand]

Given it seems the MC is using him in somewhat of a run with role in not sure they are using his attributes to best effect so his attributes are being watered down because of this imo .
Can't use your speed or left leg to best effect if your not getting the pill or able to get the pill .
Add in that he's getting so easily pushed off the contest I just can't agree that its better for his development .
Imo Kennedy and or Setters in and pushing 1 of Dow or Fisher out to a wing is a better option .

not sure if he's that fast! never seen him put any separation on the opposition .. he is supposed to have endurance

and he's certainly not gaff like

hes not football instinctive enough to be anything like gaff

 

[Arr0w]

ok

let's look at it
silvagni has traded it drafted for players who aren't younger and younger
what's Kennedy doing in the seconds?
ling?
Kerr?
setterfield?
where's Bugg and lamb? ( Lamb could have still made this team easily)
sure can bring in stocker

and that's the excuse?

Not sure what that has to do with your question around age. Facts are, this is the youngest list of any of the 4 years.

Players will have form slumps, due to a variety of reasons, all will develop differently, it is never linear. What we see now, is not the output we will have in years to come.

Any rebuilding side, in fact all sides will have bit or role players, some won't make it, so it's pointless highlighting a handful of players, when a list is 45 players deep