Autopsy Rd23 Buddy 10.2.62 defeats Carlton 8.9.57

[CRIPPS]

Yes but who should have got the job?

Forget it mate, season is over, it was hard to watch that match after half time. Blues will be ok team 2-3 years!

 

[passmark]

Forget it mate, season is over, it was hard to watch that match after half time. Blues will be ok team 2-3 years!

But you said Bolton should have made the change I'm just asking who?

Pretty simple question I'd have thought.

I think the season has been a success and look forward to what happens next.

 

[carlton2dabone]

This game was conceded by BB and the selection panel before we even started playing.

Seriously, giving a player who is nowhere near up to it anymore a farewell match? (Armie has been great over the years but gifting him a game when he isn't anywhere near good enough to play in our best 22 isn't the sign of trying to win a game)
Bringing in Graham to the midfield when you have Cunningham playing in the reserves the last 2 weeks?
Playing players like Schmetts every week when he has shown nothing to say he deserves it?

and please no one say we are fired to play these players cause of our injuries and non-existent depth.
We are playing cunners in the reserves, we won't give a KJ a game no matter what it seems. Instead we keep returning to the same failed players that we always return to, Graham, Schmetts, Armie etc etc

 

[passmark]

This game was conceded by BB and the selection panel before we even started playing.

Seriously, giving a player who is nowhere near up to it anymore a farewell match? (Armie has been great over the years but gifting him a game when he isn't anywhere near good enough to play in our best 22 isn't the sign of trying to win a game)
Bringing in Graham to the midfield when you have Cunningham playing in the reserves the last 2 weeks?
Playing players like Schmetts every week when he has shown nothing to say he deserves it?

and please no one say we are fired to play these players cause of our injuries and non-existent depth.
We are playing cunners in the reserves, we won't give a KJ a game no matter what it seems. Instead we keep returning to the same failed players that we always return to, Graham, Schmetts, Armie etc etc

I don't recognise some of these players.

 

[RedFury]

At least we had 17 scoring shots .. that's over 3 times what the Suns had.

5 scoring shots for a whole match!! Seriously, I'd like to get out the record books for that one... anyone recall anything that low including during our really bad years?

 

[Moody Blue]

feel sorry for jones. didnt deserve that. any chance of the midfield putting up a fight. Thank god for kreuz. Can you imagine what it would have been like without him winning clearances and contested ball?

The only way Murphy can find the Carlton last line of defense is with a group of Sherpa's and three sturdy camels. Ever since he joined Carlton he has only ever been prepared to run one way. Jones was left stranded and humiliated because our wingers and onballers refused to block space. The performance in the coaches box was abysmal. Looked like they were planning their holidays, because they did nothing in the second half.

As we approach year 3 of the rebuild we need two quality midfielders, a quality forward and a back up ruck man for Kreuzer. If Gibbs and Murphy are the core of our midfield next year, then we will end up in the bottom 4 again.

 

[jim b]

How so & by playing Army, how did the result reflect his selection.

Buddy kicked 10.2!

Nothing to do with result. It's the mindset.


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[jim b]

Good endevour first half, shut up shop in the second. Would have liked to have seen Armfield acknowledged at the end.

Why?


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[El Topo]

Carlton app wouldn't open on my phone. Notification seems apt.

 

[jim b]

We don't succeed until we have a decent captain and we are at a place where we don't give farewell games


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[incaciawin]

The only way Murphy can find the Carlton last line of defense is with a group of Sherpa's and three sturdy camels. Ever since he joined Carlton he has only ever been prepared to run one way. Jones was left stranded and humiliated because our wingers and onballers refused to block space. The performance in the coaches box was abysmal. Looked like they were planning their holidays, because they did nothing in the second half.

As we approach year 3 of the rebuild we need two quality midfielders, a quality forward and a back up ruck man for Kreuzer. If Gibbs and Murphy are the core of our midfield next year, then we will end up in the bottom 4 again.

Cripps is the core of our midfield.

 

[gab213]

We don't succeed until we have a decent captain and we are at a place where we don't give farewell games


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So, with a different captain today and Armfield not playing we would have won?

 

[katmanblue]

Sooo....when's AFLW start?

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[ParapMarkets]

Worst part of the game was Byrne. I really hope it's not terrible news, the poor guy just can't catch a break. Terrible luck.

 

[footyfan1978]

Forget it mate, season is over, it was hard to watch that match after half time. Blues will be ok team 2-3 years!

Not seen a minute of the game but sensed after last weekend with 87 flag re-union combined with ending long losing streak over Hawks that after those well deserved celebrations and upward club mood that this last round game would be one too many in the season for some of our guys both mentally and looking at scoreline I suspect it played out that way.

Will still try to catch some of it on video during the week but overall pretty happy development focus season is over and pick 3 is a lock now.
Next year should be genuinely about more than just youth development but whole game style development and winning more games. 10 wins is a realistic goal I think but hope for even faster improvement if possible.
Very happy they got so many games into promising youngsters that they got a fair idea of what will be required to be physically ready to win games in longer term.

 

[drunkill]

Sooo....when's AFLW start?

Australia Day. Twilight game, Carlton V Collingwood at Princes Park.

 

[SBYM]

I don't recognise some of these players.

Did lol.

 

[carlton2dabone]

So, with a different captain today and Armfield not playing we would have won?

No one is saying we would have won, but by giving Armfield a farewell game purely cause he is retiring and not because he earned it with performance, we basicqlly concede the game before we even start.

Instead of having our best 22 players available on that field to do our best to try and win the game, we tie out hand behind our back from the very start by gifting a position on the field to a player who isn't good enough for it and who won't be a part of the team after this game.

 

[Abyss]

But you said Bolton should have made the change I'm just asking who?

Pretty simple question I'd have thought.

I think the season has been a success and look forward to what happens next.

Its good weits played well and has an off season with some positive play in mind.

But I suggested earlier franklin would just run through our zones all day. I think franklin needs a bigger bodied defender (asos) to body him and slow the speed, or a faster defender that can just get under his feet.
Jones would be far better in the air than franklin, but its that running to space with speed and taking marks chest height that is franklins bread and butter.
I think weits maybe a better matchup one on one, but that would still have ended badly. jonesy may deal with that game better ((than a 2 yr player)in the offseason lets hope...important cog in the backline now.

 

[Weiterbot23]

Its good weits played well and has an off season with some positive play in mind.

But I suggested earlier franklin would just run through our zones all day. I think franklin needs a bigger bodied defender (asos) to body him and slow the speed, or a faster defender that can just get under his feet.
Jones would be far better in the air than franklin, but its that running to space with speed and taking marks chest height that is franklins bread and butter.
I think weits maybe a better matchup one on one, but that would still have ended badly. jonesy may deal with that game better ((than a 2 yr player)in the offseason lets hope...important cog in the backline now.

Wietering is waaaaaay to slow to play on a guy like Buddy. Anyone with a burst on the lead can hurt him, even Membry kicked 5 on him. Without ASOS I'd go for someone like Marchbank to match him on the lead, then have doc, weitering, jones or plow coming across for the third man up when the ball came in high.

Not many options last night, but Buddy had to many tricks for Jones. Jones is a monster and as a key defender he was able to follow his man until the ball was in his vicinity then just launch at it. Buddy was pretty clever and lead in different patterns, zero defense on the kicks and lack of support didn't help. I hope that doesn't hurt his confidence over preseason.

 

[Weiterbot23]

I love Murph but will be disappointed if he is captain again.

Very weak defensively and in a couple of one on ones he just played for frees instead of winning the ball and as a result lost the contests.

You need your captain to display desperation and physicality, they need to have that uncanny ability to win every 50/50 like Doc does.

The baton must be passed.

 

[T2B_]

Interesting game, and though you would rather finish on a better note (and not be bent over by Buddy 10 million dollar Cola man Franklin), it's probably a necessary suffering that does put things into perspective. We got to see us fight back at one point and really make things difficult for the $wans, before unfortunately it all blew out late. Sort of saw some of the best aspects of our improvement in patches, and then also our worst and where we're sorely lacking.

One thing for sure... mids, mids, mids. Even when we were close I felt it was because of either our rebounding defenders or Kreuze. The mids were struggling from the get-go.

Kreuzer is just an absolute machine. Imagine if he had a genuine class midfield around him.

 

[btdg]

Wietering is waaaaaay to slow to play on a guy like Buddy. Anyone with a burst on the lead can hurt him, even Membry kicked 5 on him. Without ASOS I'd go for someone like Marchbank to match him on the lead, then have doc, weitering, jones or plow coming across for the third man up when the ball came in high.

Not many options last night, but Buddy had to many tricks for Jones. Jones is a monster and as a key defender he was able to follow his man until the ball was in his vicinity then just launch at it. Buddy was pretty clever and lead in different patterns, zero defense on the kicks and lack of support didn't help. I hope that doesn't hurt his confidence over preseason.

Jones isn't a monster - he's the same guy he always was. He has a few tantalising skills, particularly his athleticism and ability to get to contests and attack them in the air, but his reading of the play and positioning is atrocious.

As a defender, this is far less noticeable - his opponents take him to the ball, he outleaps them, job done. He's been really effective for us in that role. But the more tape teams get on him, the more he has been figured out. In recent weeks teams have moved him around a lot more and Buddy is the best at exposing poor positioning.

Not having Plowman didn't help, and ASOS or Marchbank would have been better matchups. Plus, defensive running by the mids was non existant.

But in some ways it was good. Jones-mania was fun while it lasted but we all got to see his weaknesses fully on display there and can have a really good think about who plays that role in future....

 

[Arr0w]

Jones isn't a monster - he's the same guy he always was. He has a few tantalising skills, particularly his athleticism and ability to get to contests and attack them in the air, but his reading of the play and positioning is atrocious.

As a defender, this is far less noticeable - his opponents take him to the ball, he outleaps them, job done. He's been really effective for us in that role. But the more tape teams get on him, the more he has been figured out. In recent weeks teams have moved him around a lot more and Buddy is the best at exposing poor positioning.

Not having Plowman didn't help, and ASOS or Marchbank would have been better matchups. Plus, defensive running by the mids was non existant.

But in some ways it was good. Jones-mania was fun while it lasted but we all got to see his weaknesses fully on display there and can have a really good think about who plays that role in future....

Very hard for a backman in any side to stop forwards when there is little to no pressure in the midfield. Earlier in the year Rance copped a bath when they played the Saints, due to similar reasons.

Jones is not a natural defender, but has learnt to play the role better than anyone could have imagined. As the side improves as a whole, Jones too will continue to take important scalps

 

[Weiterbot23]

Jones isn't a monster - he's the same guy he always was. He has a few tantalising skills, particularly his athleticism and ability to get to contests and attack them in the air, but his reading of the play and positioning is atrocious.

As a defender, this is far less noticeable - his opponents take him to the ball, he outleaps them, job done. He's been really effective for us in that role. But the more tape teams get on him, the more he has been figured out. In recent weeks teams have moved him around a lot more and Buddy is the best at exposing poor positioning.

Not having Plowman didn't help, and ASOS or Marchbank would have been better matchups. Plus, defensive running by the mids was non existant.

But in some ways it was good. Jones-mania was fun while it lasted but we all got to see his weaknesses fully on display there and can have a really good think about who plays that role in future....

I agree about being led to the ball and then exploding at it. Disagree about him not being a monster in his attack on the ball and the man. Has a huge amount of physicality in a tackle, but wasn't able to put body on Buddy.

Seems like Weitering, Marchbank and Jones are all more comfortable as the third man up. Hopefully ASOS can teach them some one on one skills.

But Buddy is kicking 6-7 on anyone last night.