Opinion Reckon we could / would change our name for Sir Doug Nicholls Round in future years?

[pz5151]

Agree mate, terrible form to trivialise the drug use at that club.

I’m sure Mainwaring and Cousins family and friends are having a right old laff at how much better they can feel about the early 2000s now that the Eagles are really in a mess NOW.

Don’t forget Kerr who just went to prison the other day.

 

[loki04]

Oh you are one of those.

Funding is there and has been for a long while, the distribution of said funds is what needs to be looked at.

34 Billion plus pa for well over a decade. But they have corruption funnel it back out to fat cats with their heads in the trough.

 

[ottoman]

Seriously, in 2023 you’re telling me that after over $30Bil is spent on Indigenous Affairs for a total population of approx 800K Indigenous Australians. Of which there may be less than 150K in remote communities.




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Ronnie, you throw this figure up but in truth it's not much larger a figure as a percentage as what is spent on the rest of the nation as a whole.

And considering what was done to them, I am pretty sure it's ok for a slightly larger amount of the budget on a percentage basis be spent trying to rectify some of the wrongs.

And there were some horrific wrongs.

 

[South of the Yarra]

Funding is there and has been for a long while, the distribution of said funds is what needs to be looked at.

34 Billion plus pa for well over a decade. But they have corruption funnel it back out to fat cats with their heads in the trough.

So you are agreeing that the funding is not there for Aboriginal people.

 

[South of the Yarra]

Seriously, in 2023 you’re telling me that after over $30Bil is spent on Indigenous Affairs for a total population of approx 800K Indigenous Australians. Of which there may be less than 150K in remote communities.

There must be some serious mismanagement of funds going on. Or there are some real fat cats with their noses in the trough.

The way I see it. It is not a lack of resources that is the problem. Sometimes the indigenous community need to take responsibility for themselves. I’m certain there are doctors, lawyers, teachers, builders, engineers and etc……Within the Indigenous community that should be helping their own cause. How is it that they can’t even solve any of this.

The Australian government is providing the financial means. It’s been shown in the past, that any White Australian involvement isn’t wanted. I’m astounded that in this day and age. And having all these available resources to put to these issues. We as a nation can’t fix this problem.

Sometimes the cynic in me thinks that these problems may not want to be fixed. Because if they were and everyone was prospering. What would those in the Indigenous community have to be angry about. Except for the bleeding obvious that occurred in 1788.


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And the fact you think 1788 is the only time Aboriginal people were wronged shows me you are either horribly ignorant or just want to be controversial to be noticed. Most Aboriginal people are not close to being angry, many are broken.

 

[sideswipe]

The AFL site shows where this is going. Four sides have peculiar names in their discussion of this week's games. It hasn't taken long to cease being a "special" thing for one round and make a push for the mainstream. No doubt I will get used to who they are talking about eventually, but to me it is just another sad surrender of culture to activists.
Why the people trying to twist our lives into an unwanted shape can't put their energies into something that matters, like fighting climate change, I don't know. I pine for the days when football was just football.

Don’t panic yourself into a state of triggeredness. The Doug Nicholls Round goes for two rounds - so all teams can get a home game. Names revert next week.


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[loki04]

So you are agreeing that the funding is not there for Aboriginal people.

It is there but the distribution is not going to the right places all the time.

Like indigenous contractors losing out on indigenous aimed council projects that go to wealthy companies that they have always gone too.

But on the flip side there are many resources funnelled into health, education, sports programs, work placements etc so to say there is none is also false.

More needs to be done to correct the first scenarios and more funding to remote communities.

 

[loki04]

Ronnie, you throw this figure up but in truth it's not much larger a figure as a percentage as what is spent on the rest of the nation as a whole.

And considering what was done to them, I am pretty sure it's ok for a slightly larger amount of the budget on a percentage basis be spent trying to rectify some of the wrongs.

And there were some horrific wrongs.

They are also part of this nation and benefit from national spends. The 34 billion plus is on top of that.

Which there was a need and many good things have come from.
An increase in spending is not needed but a redistribution of those funds and where they go needs an overhaul.

 

[Wearmouth]

“After all, don’t we all want to be Australians?” Maybe, maybe not. I think we are trying to figure out what it means to be Australian. It’s meant different things over time and it continues to evolve and will continue to do so. At the moment for many that means trying to embrace indigenous culture within the concept of being “Australian”. For a country that had Terra Nullius as a founding concept this has been difficult. For a country that used to believe that being Australian only applied to “white” people this has been difficult. Unfortunately “we should all be seen as one” often manifests as we should all be seen one way. I don’t think we’ll ever have a definition that satisfies everyone and I don’t think that really matters. Life never fits into our nice definitions. Adopting an indigenous name for a couple of rounds of footy just feels like a nice gesture, after all we’ve asked (to put it politely) the same indigenous people to adopt the name Australian for how many years.

Great response FTBL.


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[Wearmouth]

Sorry Ron, are you being contrarian for the sake of it? What part of my post are you disagreeing with matey?

They didn’t ask for anything. They “hoped” it would be better than what they were in at the time.

There is a difference.


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[manicpie]

So you are agreeing that the funding is not there for Aboriginal people.

This is a strange one, how do you come up with that? I admire your passion for first nation people but you are all over the place. Refusing to believe that funding is there isn't going to help your cause. You seem to put all things first Nation in the one basket. Some of us work in certain fields that actually know where the funding is going for fist Nations people and I can tell you, they are not missing out.

 

[manicpie]

This thread is not doing anything to celebrate the Doug Nichols Round, if anything, it's now just becoming a dick measuring contest. change our name for Indiginous round and lets move on

 

[South of the Yarra]

This is a strange one, how do you come up with that? I admire your passion for first nation people but you are all over the place. Refusing to believe that funding is there isn't going to help your cause. You seem to put all things first Nation in the one basket. Some of us work in certain fields that actually know where the funding is going for fist Nations people and I can tell you, they are not missing out.

Some of us are in the communities and see where the money doesn’t go.

 

[Wearmouth]

So you are agreeing that the funding is not there for Aboriginal people.

I’m saying that when large amounts of money are being so easily dispersed. The colour of the heads that are in the trough doesn’t just come from one demographic.

It the greed theory.


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[Chief Ten Beers]

Haven't we had enough virtue signalling? The appetite seems to be boundless.

Seems more patronizing than anything else.

 

[Wearmouth]

What I wanted to have was a genuine discussion.

My gripe about Aunty Joy was that it just seems that her offense was more that she sees it as an earn and not a privileged position of respect. But that’s what seems to happen in most cases when people receive positions like these. And once they feel their right to that position is questioned they dig their heels in and the claws come out. A natural response that’s seen in many areas in our lives. Local councilors and local politicians exhibit similar traits. Demi-god complex.

But none of this is my genuine reason.

What has resonated in me whenever I’ve seen remote indigenous communities. Are the infectious smiles from the kids. And how it was, that we couldn’t solve keeping those smiles on their faces all their lives with $34Bil a year. It’s insane. These kids don’t need new iPhones. They sure as hell don’t need the latest and greatest in fashion. And from watching their skills kicking a footy in their bare feet on the red dirt ovals. Footwear is optional.

Because if all it took was to give each one of those kids $1Mil to make sure they had everything dealt with to be able to be the best versions of themselves that they can be. And that this would break the cycle of disparity that seems to now exist. Tell me where I need to sign.

But alas, what I do understand is throwing money at it won’t solve the problem. And to me it seems that there is a vested interest in keeping this as it is. As it serves those with other motives greater not to fix these issues. As it is these issues that keep them relevant and keep their positions of power.


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[The Magnificent Seven]

I'm for it.

It doesn't matter whether we feel it's 'patronising'. I certainly don't think it's 'virtue signalling'. I see it no differently that speaking overseas in native tongue, or observing rituals in places of worship or culturally significant places.

The more we practice giving and sharing, the more natural it feels.

TBH I'm also for stacking the commentary teams with indigenous players and media to give a more rounded call of the game. Gilbert McAdam and Andrew Krackouer >>>>> BT & JB.

We have plenty of love to give, why be mean spirited?

 

[South of the Yarra]

I love how people who spend two minutes passing through Aboriginal communities think they have the answer to everything.

 

[JB1975]

They didn’t ask for anything. They “hoped” it would be better than what they were in at the time.

There is a difference.


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There's something grotesque about the way you keep opening your trench coat and flashing your ignorance about. Put it away, please.

There's also something grotesque about the way that you present migrants as a bunch of luckless types who closed their eyes and hoped for the best when they came to Australia.

You referred to a multicultural 'tapestry' in one of your earlier posts, and you'd do well to dwell upon the significance of that term. Historically, most of the people who came to this country were simply expected to assimilate. Australia didn't embrace and celebrate their different cultures for most of our history, and it wasn't until the 1970s that significant recognition and resources were directed at promoting a tapestry rather than a 'melting pot'.

Do you know why the change came about? It came about because a lot of those people from 'other places' asked for it. Some of them made demands, others quietly insisted, but it all amounted to an expectation that their differences would be respected and supported and celebrated.

Some of Australia's migrants have even had the temerity to ask to be treated like other Australians. One of my own family was interned in WWI because his name was a bit too Germanic, and all he wanted was to be free to fight for his adoptive country.

The narrative that the 'new Australians' simply turned their backs on the old country and accepted whatever came their way in Australia --without asking or demanding anything more-- is not uncommon, but it is a fallacy based on ignorance.

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I'll leave it there, mate. Exchanging words with you is nothing but a sad reminder of how sad and silly a lot of people are, and I know I've demeaned myself in the process.

 

[The Magnificent Seven]

I love how people who spend two minutes passing through Aboriginal communities think they have the answer to everything.

Vague passive aggressive drive-by?

 

[FromTheBoundaryLine]

What I wanted to have was a genuine discussion.

My gripe about Aunty Joy was that it just seems that her offense was more that she sees it as an earn and not a privileged position of respect. But that’s what seems to happen in most cases when people receive positions like these. And once they feel their right to that position is questioned they dig their heels in and the claws come out. A natural response that’s seen in many areas in our lives. Local councilors and local politicians exhibit similar traits. Demi-god complex.

But none of this is my genuine reason.

What has resonated in me whenever I’ve seen remote indigenous communities. Are the infectious smiles from the kids. And how it was, that we couldn’t solve keeping those smiles on their faces all their lives with $34Bil a year. It’s insane. These kids don’t need new iPhones. They sure as hell don’t need the latest and greatest in fashion. And from watching their skills kicking a footy in their bare feet on the red dirt ovals. Footwear is optional.

Because if all it took was to give each one of those kids $1Mil to make sure they had everything dealt with to be able to be the best versions of themselves that they can be. And that this would break the cycle of disparity that seems to now exist. Tell me where I need to sign.

But alas, what I do understand is throwing money at it won’t solve the problem. And to me it seems that there is a vested interest in keeping this as it is. As it serves those with other motives greater not to fix these issues. As it is these issues that keep them relevant and keep their positions of power.


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I think it’s reasonable, given our struggles to resolve issues around closing the gap etc, to be sceptical about previous approaches taken by three different levels of government in response to these issues. It’s painfully slow and there won’t be one answer. I’m hopeful that if we keep listening to each other without the need to be right or to prove others wrong that appropriate responses can be found. It’s funny that barracking for the same football club gives us the opportunity to have a wider conversation with people than we might normally have. In fact I reckon football clubs are dealing with these issues better than some organisations. There will be stuff ups and wrong turns and moments to celebrate but we are dealing with things that go to the core of the human condition. It’s not easy and probably never will be. Go Pies-Barrawarn-…………….

 

[Wearmouth]

I love how people who spend two minutes passing through Aboriginal communities think they have the answer to everything.

Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result is an exercise in futility.

That’s why I’m correct. And you being part of the wow is me brigade that those in positions of authority just love. You justify their existence as much as your own.


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[Kappa]

And the fact you think 1788 is the only time Aboriginal people were wronged shows me you are either horribly ignorant or just want to be controversial to be noticed. Most Aboriginal people are not close to being angry, many are broken.

Many Aboriginal people are just normal people living their lives, and probably don't appreciate being called "broken"

 

[South of the Yarra]

Many Aboriginal people are just normal people living their lives, and probably don't appreciate being called "broken"

And many are broken

 

[South of the Yarra]

Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result is an exercise in futility.

That’s why I’m correct. And you being part of the wow is me brigade that those in positions of authority just love. You justify their existence as much as your own.


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Self adulation is the lowest form of praise. Do you always blow your own trumpet like this? Please let us know what you do for Aboriginal people. I am intrigued