Opinion Recruiting and List Management Team: Hamish Ogilvie, Justin Reid & Co

[Mr_Moogle]

Who have we had responsible for developing our mids in the last decade ?

Godden and Burns? Campo before that ?

Recently Campo, Godden, Van Berlo. I think Burns was defense and has now moved to forwards.

 

[1970crow]

It is totally unbelievable a non-football person like Fagan could have made that call. There has to be other contributing factors. Our coach on principal should have walked if he had no input into the pick. Gibbs was a good player at the time but not a champ and long in the tooth football wise.

Fraudan almost certainly just passing on board directive. Big issue with Gibbs was that his heart remained with the Blues, he only ever came for the pay cheque. So as soon as it got a bit hard, he gave nothing.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

I remember Galluci having a real break out game against Carlton back in the day and after that we completely ruined him. A real shame on many counts.

He kicked 4 goals iirc but that was the bad Carlton playing at the end of the season. I think it's more a case of coming up against particularly weak opponent. Kind of like how the Crows will often make some no name spud on the opposing side look like star.

 

[Cap]

Recently Campo, Godden, Van Berlo. I think Burns was defense and has now moved to forwards.

That sounds even worse

 

[StonesThrow]

2015 draft now known as the knee surgery draft for the crows. There's some serious bad luck in that one.

 

[maxlilly]

2015 draft now known as the knee surgery draft for the crows. There's some serious bad luck in that one.

Unfortunately, there are too many drafts the Crows have been 'kneecapped' with selections

 

[MRB37]

Sure, but at least Nicks and Burns have some background in professional coaching. The rest are anyone who's willing to live in SA and drive to West Lakes twice a week.

Even with Burns, from the sounds of it we had to offer a very big deal to move down. When he was first announced he made the point that it was a long-term move for him and he didn't want to come down for just 2-3 years and then move again. He's from SA, but spent more of his life in Melbourne by that point, so certainly didn't consider himself and "Adeladian" or anything.

Supposedly we had a crack at Rutten and Dew, who both turned us down because we wouldn't promote them to senior assistant. So it's the same problem really, we've had chances to get more people in, but they all want a promotion to 2IC.

Port seem to have run into a similar issue lately, Chad Cornes as a forward coach, Carr as their midfield coach, Goldsack as defensive coach, Hartlett as their SANFL coach, Lobbe as their ruck coach.

 

[Mostyn]

Even with Burns, from the sounds of it we had to offer a very big deal to move down. When he was first announced he made the point that it was a long-term move for him and he didn't want to come down for just 2-3 years and then move again. He's from SA, but spent more of his life in Melbourne by that point, so certainly didn't consider himself and "Adeladian" or anything.

Supposedly we had a crack at Rutten and Dew, who both turned us down because we wouldn't promote them to senior assistant. So it's the same problem really, we've had chances to get more people in, but they all want a promotion to 2IC.

Port seem to have run into a similar issue lately, Chad Cornes as a forward coach, Carr as their midfield coach, Goldsack as defensive coach, Hartlett as their SANFL coach, Lobbe as their ruck coach.

I do think it's an SA issue, not just a Crows issue.

Sounds like we need to invent a few more sexy sounding titles ...

 

[Sanders]

2015 draft now known as the knee surgery draft for the crows. There's some serious bad luck in that one.

Pretty average players taken regardless

Milera, is effectively who we got for Dangerfield. He’s been mediocre regardless of injury

 

[Redleg Crow]

Let's have a look at 1st round picks: and the next 5 afterwards to see if they hit or missed

2015

1​	11​	Adelaide​	Wayne Milera​	Adelaide​	99​
1​	12​	Carlton​	Charlie Curnow​	Carlton​	113​
1​	13​	GWS​	Matthew Kennedy A​	Carlton​	97​
1​	14​	Brisbane​	Eric Hipwood A​	Brisbane​	156​
1​	15​	Richmond​	Daniel Rioli​	Richmond​	164​
1​	16​	GWS​	Harrison Himmelberg A​	GWS​	155​

MASSIVE MISS

1​	17​	Adelaide​	Tom Doedee​	Brisbane​	82​
1​	18​	St Kilda​	Jade Gresham​	Essendon​	139​
1​	19​	Hawthorn​	Ryan Burton​	Port Adelaide​	142​
1​	20​	Gold Coast​	Brayden Fiorini​	Gold Coast​	96​
1​	21​	North Melbourne​	Ben McKay​	Essendon​	74​
1​	22​	Hawthorn​	Kieran Lovell​	​	2​

PASS, BUT NOT A HIT

2016

1​	15​	Adelaide​	Jordan Gallucci​	​	27​
1​	16​	Port Adelaide​	Todd Marshall​	Port Adelaide​	100​
1​	17​	Brisbane​	Jarrod Berry​	Brisbane​	136​
1​	18​	Port Adelaide​	Sam Powell-Pepper​	Port Adelaide​	139​
1​	19​	Western Bulldogs​	Timothy English​	Western Bulldogs​	111​
1​	20​	GWS​	Isaac Cumming A​	GWS​	75​

MASSIVE MISS

2017

1​	12​	Adelaide​	Darcy Fogarty​	Adelaide​	82​
1​	13​	West Coast​	Jarrod Brander​	​	27​
1​	14​	Sydney​	Matthew Ling​	​	4​
1​	15​	Brisbane​	Zac Bailey​	Brisbane​	121​
1​	16​	Western Bulldogs​	Ed Richards​	Western Bulldogs​	106​
1​	17​	Richmond​	Jack Higgins​	St Kilda​	105​

I SAY MISS

2018

1​	9​	Adelaide​	Chayce Jones​	Adelaide​	79​
1​	10​	Sydney​	Nick Blakey A​	Sydney​	106​
1​	11​	GWS​	Jye Caldwell​	Essendon​	58​
1​	12​	Port Adelaide​	Zak Butters​	Port Adelaide​	96​
1​	13​	Collingwood​	Isaac Quaynor A​	Collingwood​	89​
1​	14​	GWS​	Jackson Hately​	​	28​

MASSIVE MISS

1​	16​	Adelaide​	Ned McHenry​	Adelaide​	62​
1​	17​	Fremantle​	Sam Sturt​	Fremantle​	18​
1​	18​	Port Adelaide​	Xavier Duursma​	Essendon​	76​
1​	19​	Carlton​	Liam Stocker​	St Kilda​	54​
1​	20​	Richmond​	Riley Collier-Dawkins​	​	11​
1​	21​	Brisbane​	Ely Smith​	​	0​

MISS

2019

1​	6​	Adelaide​	Fischer McAsey​	​	10​
1​	7​	Fremantle​	Hayden Young​	Fremantle​	60​
1​	8​	Fremantle​	Caleb Serong​	Fremantle​	83​
1​	9​	Fremantle​	Liam Henry A​	St Kilda​	45​
1​	10​	GWS​	Tom Green A​	GWS​	70​

HOLY SHIT WHAT A MISS

2020

1​	2​	Adelaide​	Riley Thilthorpe​	Adelaide​	46​
1​	3​	North Melbourne​	Will Phillips​	North Melbourne​	32​
1​	4​	Sydney​	Logan McDonald​	Sydney​	48​
1​	5​	Sydney​	Braeden Campbell A​	Sydney​	52​
1​	6​	Hawthorn​	Denver Grainger-Barras​	Hawthorn​	28​

TOO EARLY TO SAY, BUT I THINK HIT

1​	11​	Adelaide​	Luke Pedlar​	Adelaide​	29​
1​	12​	GWS​	Tanner Bruhn​	Geelong​	51​
1​	13​	North Melbourne​	Tom Powell​	North Melbourne​	48​
1​	14​	Fremantle​	Heath Chapman​	Fremantle​	26​
1​	15​	GWS​	Conor Stone​	GWS​	9​

FEELING MORE AND MORE A MISS BUT STILL TIME

2021

1​	6​	Adelaide​	Josh Rachele​	Adelaide​	37​
1​	7​	Hawthorn​	Josh Ward​	Hawthorn​	33​
1​	8​	Fremantle​	Jye Amiss​	Fremantle​	28​
1​	9​	Richmond​	Josh Gibcus​	Richmond​	20​
1​	10​	Fremantle​	Neil Erasmus​	Fremantle​	20​

HIT... I THINK...

2022

1​	17​	Adelaide​	Max Michalanney F​	Adelaide​	25​
1​	18​	Hawthorn​	Joshua Weddle​	Hawthorn​	20​
1​	19​	Collingwood​	Edward Allan​	Collingwood​	0​
1​	20​	Sydney​	Jacob Konstanty​	Sydney​	0​
1​	21​	GWS​	Darcy Jones​	GWS​	0​

F/S BUT STILL A BIG HIT

11 picks and not a lot of hits...

 

[MRB37]

They'd be howled down for it, but they should be putting someone like Laird on the table at the end of the year. It'd probably be like Tom Mitchell where you get a 2nd rounder for him, but there needs to be a further cull of the list of players who either won't make it (your McHenry types) or those who won't be in our next tilt.

 

[Redleg Crow]

They'd be howled down for it, but they should be putting someone like Laird on the table at the end of the year. It'd probably be like Tom Mitchell where you get a 2nd rounder for him, but there needs to be a further cull of the list of players who either won't make it (your McHenry types) or those who won't be in our next tilt.

Fog as well.

 

[TRP1996]

They'd be howled down for it, but they should be putting someone like Laird on the table at the end of the year. It'd probably be like Tom Mitchell where you get a 2nd rounder for him, but there needs to be a further cull of the list of players who either won't make it (your McHenry types) or those who won't be in our next tilt.

Would he even go?

 

[MRB37]

Would he even go?

Depends if he'd want to move to a serious contender or not for his last 2 years of his deal.

 

[Geoffa32]

Said it before, will say it again, Hamish Ogilvie is the reason we are where we are right now.


You can't go 15 plus years without drafting an elite mid and be any good in this league....

On SM-A325F using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[Doctor B]

Parnell and McHenry look like little auskick kids who have stayed on the ground.

 

[Scorpus]

We need to have someone with vision on the laptop during draft night and if a midfielder isn't going to be selected with pick 2, tackle our recruiters to the ground

 

[mcleod at 50 lines it up]

That one doesn't bother me as much as it does other people.

When you're near a flag, then go for it.

Plus the second first rounder is arguably a swap for their second, which was only a downgrade of a few spots.

I mean - it didn't work. But the Gallucci and McAsey picks are worse, because pretty much everyone got a good player and improved instead of us.

it was a bother he didn't do it a year earlier!

 

[StonesThrow]

Let's have a look at 1st round picks: and the next 5 afterwards to see if they hit or missed

2015

1​	11​	Adelaide​	Wayne Milera​	Adelaide​	99​
1​	12​	Carlton​	Charlie Curnow​	Carlton​	113​
1​	13​	GWS​	Matthew Kennedy A​	Carlton​	97​
1​	14​	Brisbane​	Eric Hipwood A​	Brisbane​	156​
1​	15​	Richmond​	Daniel Rioli​	Richmond​	164​
1​	16​	GWS​	Harrison Himmelberg A​	GWS​	155​

MASSIVE MISS

1​	17​	Adelaide​	Tom Doedee​	Brisbane​	82​
1​	18​	St Kilda​	Jade Gresham​	Essendon​	139​
1​	19​	Hawthorn​	Ryan Burton​	Port Adelaide​	142​
1​	20​	Gold Coast​	Brayden Fiorini​	Gold Coast​	96​
1​	21​	North Melbourne​	Ben McKay​	Essendon​	74​
1​	22​	Hawthorn​	Kieran Lovell​	​	2​

PASS, BUT NOT A HIT

2016

1​	15​	Adelaide​	Jordan Gallucci​	​	27​
1​	16​	Port Adelaide​	Todd Marshall​	Port Adelaide​	100​
1​	17​	Brisbane​	Jarrod Berry​	Brisbane​	136​
1​	18​	Port Adelaide​	Sam Powell-Pepper​	Port Adelaide​	139​
1​	19​	Western Bulldogs​	Timothy English​	Western Bulldogs​	111​
1​	20​	GWS​	Isaac Cumming A​	GWS​	75​

MASSIVE MISS

2017

1​	12​	Adelaide​	Darcy Fogarty​	Adelaide​	82​
1​	13​	West Coast​	Jarrod Brander​	​	27​
1​	14​	Sydney​	Matthew Ling​	​	4​
1​	15​	Brisbane​	Zac Bailey​	Brisbane​	121​
1​	16​	Western Bulldogs​	Ed Richards​	Western Bulldogs​	106​
1​	17​	Richmond​	Jack Higgins​	St Kilda​	105​

I SAY MISS

2018

1​	9​	Adelaide​	Chayce Jones​	Adelaide​	79​
1​	10​	Sydney​	Nick Blakey A​	Sydney​	106​
1​	11​	GWS​	Jye Caldwell​	Essendon​	58​
1​	12​	Port Adelaide​	Zak Butters​	Port Adelaide​	96​
1​	13​	Collingwood​	Isaac Quaynor A​	Collingwood​	89​
1​	14​	GWS​	Jackson Hately​	​	28​

MASSIVE MISS

1​	16​	Adelaide​	Ned McHenry​	Adelaide​	62​
1​	17​	Fremantle​	Sam Sturt​	Fremantle​	18​
1​	18​	Port Adelaide​	Xavier Duursma​	Essendon​	76​
1​	19​	Carlton​	Liam Stocker​	St Kilda​	54​
1​	20​	Richmond​	Riley Collier-Dawkins​	​	11​
1​	21​	Brisbane​	Ely Smith​	​	0​

MISS

2019

1​	6​	Adelaide​	Fischer McAsey​	​	10​
1​	7​	Fremantle​	Hayden Young​	Fremantle​	60​
1​	8​	Fremantle​	Caleb Serong​	Fremantle​	83​
1​	9​	Fremantle​	Liam Henry A​	St Kilda​	45​
1​	10​	GWS​	Tom Green A​	GWS​	70​

HOLY s**t WHAT A MISS

2020

1​	2​	Adelaide​	Riley Thilthorpe​	Adelaide​	46​
1​	3​	North Melbourne​	Will Phillips​	North Melbourne​	32​
1​	4​	Sydney​	Logan McDonald​	Sydney​	48​
1​	5​	Sydney​	Braeden Campbell A​	Sydney​	52​
1​	6​	Hawthorn​	Denver Grainger-Barras​	Hawthorn​	28​

TOO EARLY TO SAY, BUT I THINK HIT

1​	11​	Adelaide​	Luke Pedlar​	Adelaide​	29​
1​	12​	GWS​	Tanner Bruhn​	Geelong​	51​
1​	13​	North Melbourne​	Tom Powell​	North Melbourne​	48​
1​	14​	Fremantle​	Heath Chapman​	Fremantle​	26​
1​	15​	GWS​	Conor Stone​	GWS​	9​

FEELING MORE AND MORE A MISS BUT STILL TIME

2021

1​	6​	Adelaide​	Josh Rachele​	Adelaide​	37​
1​	7​	Hawthorn​	Josh Ward​	Hawthorn​	33​
1​	8​	Fremantle​	Jye Amiss​	Fremantle​	28​
1​	9​	Richmond​	Josh Gibcus​	Richmond​	20​
1​	10​	Fremantle​	Neil Erasmus​	Fremantle​	20​

HIT... I THINK...

2022

1​	17​	Adelaide​	Max Michalanney F​	Adelaide​	25​
1​	18​	Hawthorn​	Joshua Weddle​	Hawthorn​	20​
1​	19​	Collingwood​	Edward Allan​	Collingwood​	0​
1​	20​	Sydney​	Jacob Konstanty​	Sydney​	0​
1​	21​	GWS​	Darcy Jones​	GWS​	0​

F/S BUT STILL A BIG HIT

11 picks and not a lot of hits...

We're always biased towards recent drafts. Give it a few years and there will be a few more misses in latter years given how we develop players.

 

[NCHammertime]

Sorry about the rant, but can someone explain to me why Reid gets all the heat in the media but not Ogilvie? Isn’t he picking the players?? Reid has traded in Rankine and Dawson who are probably our only A-grade players. Ogilvie gets credit for Soligo and nobody else at present. He has screwed us completely. While we’ve been at the pointy end of the draft, Port have managed to get Rozee, Butters and JHF. The best midfield in the comp for probably 10 more years. And we’ve done basically nothing. It a joke. Ogilvie has to go.

 

[mcleod at 50 lines it up]

His hands were tied, Fagan told him he couldn't leave the room without him. Otherwise he'd have been able to walk away as he did the year prior.

the one time Fagan was right!

 

[mcleod at 50 lines it up]

Sorry about the rant, but can someone explain to me why Reid gets all the heat in the media but not Ogilvie? Isn’t he picking the players?? Reid has traded in Rankine and Dawson who are probably our only A-grade players. Ogilvie gets credit for Soligo and nobody else at present. He has screwed us completely. While we’ve been at the pointy end of the draft, Port have managed to get Rozee, Butters and JHF. The best midfield in the comp for probably 10 more years. And we’ve done basically nothing. It a joke. Ogilvie has to go.

I would have thought missing on jhf and the decision to keep the picks the same in 2018 was Reid's call, the club always did that kept the picks the same and minimally trade because of the belief that 97 and 98 were right time right place rather than building towards a crescendo

 

[NCHammertime]

I would have thought missing on jhf and the decision to keep the picks the same in 2018 was Reid's call, the club always did that kept the picks the same and minimally trade because of the belief that 97 and 98 were right time right place rather than building towards a crescendo

That’s true. But at least Reid got some things right. From 2016-2019 Hamish drafted 27 players. 13 are still on our list and literally none of them are any good.

 

[King Elvis]

His hands were tied, Fagan told him he couldn't leave the room without him. Otherwise he'd have been able to walk away as he did the year prior.

Didn't Fagan even order pizzas to get the deal done?

 

[mcleod at 50 lines it up]

That’s true. But at least Reid got some things right. From 2016-2019 Hamish drafted 27 players. 13 are still on our list and literally none of them are any good.

he lacks the matt rendell touch that's for sure!