Play Nice Referendum - Indigenous Voice in Parliament - Part 2

[Gethelred]

Link to the proposed Referendum, from the Referendum Working Group:

(Edited 6 April 2023)

These are the words that will be put to the Australian people in the upcoming referendum as agreed by the Referendum Working Group (made up of representatives of First Nations communities from around Australia):

"A Proposed Law: to alter the Constitution to recognise the First Peoples of Australia by establishing an Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice. Do you approve this proposed alteration?"

As well as that, it will be put to Australians that the constitution be amended to include a new chapter titled "Recognition of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples".

The details would be:


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The Prime Minister has committed to the government introducing legislation with this wording to parliament on 30 March 2023 and to establishing a joint parliamentary committee to consider it and receive submissions on the wording, providing ALL members of Parliament with the opportunity to consider and debate the full details of the proposal.

Parliament will then vote on the wording in June in the lead up to a National Referendum.

The ANU has issued a paper responding to common public concerns expressed in relation to the proposed Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice here:

Indigenous Voice to Parliament | Australian National University

Responding to common concerns about an aboriginal and torres strait islander voice First Nations portfolio Background

www.anu.edu.au

Summary details of the key points from this paper may be found in Chief post here:

The Uluru Statement from the Heart:

Not specifically No. In any case it does not form part of the Referendum proposal.

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Seeing as things have gotten a bit toxic in here, let's try to return things to a more civil tone.

The following will result in warnings to begin with, and if said behaviour continues will be escalated:

• referring to another poster as racist without direct provocation.
• dismissing or deriding another poster's lived experience.
• personal attacks or one line posts designed solely to insult or deride.

You might notice that the final rule is from the board rules. Thought we should probably remember that this is against the rules in case it's been forgotten.

Let's play nicely from here, people.

 

[Roby]

White supremacists should feel guilty, but they don't. They only cry if they lose money.

 

[CM86]

Good point. I guess inflammatory language and guilt tripping is now the go to at this point for an increasingly desperate narrative.
Kamahl is kind of an odd person to use though.

Who do you believe he is being used by??

What do you mean in regards to "guilt tripping" in the context of The Voice?

 

[Roby]

Who do you believe he is being used by??

What do you mean in regards to "guilt tripping" in the context of The Voice?

Don't bother

 

[CM86]

Don't bother

Just another casual decade old account with a handful of posts... who needs to attack The Indigenous Voice to Parliament.

Amazing how many of them spring up.

 

[Gough]

When people talk about guilt tripping I always see a tacit acceptance that there's something to be guilty about but they don't give a f***.

 

[Roby]

Just another casual decade old account with a handful of posts... who needs to attack The Indigenous Voice to Parliament.

Amazing how many of them spring up.

It's like Trump and his huge crowd numbers.

I have faith humanity, and I think they're a dying breed. But they'll fight tooth and nail to stay relevant, that is almost guaranteed.

 

[Mudguts12]

I love how you all pretend to know exactly what the voice aspires to be, keep up the circle jerk

 

[Roby]

I love how white supremacists think because mum and dad paid for their education, that they're smarter. Keep up your circle jerk.

 

[Mudguts12]

Off you go, run away.

Pathetic coward.

Wow, feeling the hate! Settle down I'm just trying to figure this out like everyone else.

 

[Mudguts12]

You're a dishonest loser.

* off.

You're very poor kwality.

Quite an intriguing brand of fascism your peddling here.

 

[Roby]

Wow, feeling the hate! Settle down I'm just trying to figure this out like everyone else.

1. The Voice will give First Nations and Indegenous Australians an permanent constitutional advisory for parliament to make recommendations on matters that affect them.

2. It will recognise and enshrine the contributions that they have made to Australia in the constitution.

3. The Voice will not have any powers in parliament, and parliament will need still need to vote for legislation to pass.

4. That is it.

5. Oh but it doesn't detail how the voice will act, what if wants repirations and decides to tax land owners? No, numbskulls, it can't do that because it has to be voted on.

6. Hey I'm not racist! I'm saying if they're are no details, how do we know it will help Aboriginals!!

No numbskulls, that's not how we generally make amendments in the constitution. When we amended the constitution we cannnot envision all the permutations, of laws and bills, in the future. For example, 1946 constitutional amendment included unemployment benefits and family allowance, did you want to enshrine everything in stone back in 1946, or do you think it was more prudent to allow to be flexible?

 

[Sun Ra]

The Jacinta Price phenomenon: How a newbie senator became a conservative rock star

The first-term senator from the Northern Territory only entered parliament last July, but the polarising figure has become a political phenomenon.

www.theage.com.au

Quote from this Jacinta Price profile - Freudian slip ?

“I think she’s been the most important voice on the No side: more influential than Dutton, Littleproud, Warren Mundine or anyone else frankly,” says Tom Switzer, the head of the Centre for Independent Studies, a conservative think tank where Price formerly worked as Indigenous program director. “She’s the most vocal, she works the hardest ... I suspect that some Labor Party people who will vote No will have been influenced by the fact that an articulate, sound Indigenous woman is prepared to stand up to the zeitgeist.”

 

[Gralin]

The Jacinta Price phenomenon: How a newbie senator became a conservative rock star

The first-term senator from the Northern Territory only entered parliament last July, but the polarising figure has become a political phenomenon.

www.theage.com.au

Quote from this Jacinta Price profile - Freudian slip ?

“I think she’s been the most important voice on the No side: more influential than Dutton, Littleproud, Warren Mundine or anyone else frankly,” says Tom Switzer, the head of the Centre for Independent Studies, a conservative think tank where Price formerly worked as Indigenous program director. “She’s the most vocal, she works the hardest ... I suspect that some Labor Party people who will vote No will have been influenced by the fact that an articulate, sound Indigenous woman is prepared to stand up to the zeitgeist.”

I'd say it was said quite on purpose actually and printed on purpose as well

 

[Mudguts12]

1. The Voice will give First Nations and Indegenous Australians an permanent constitutional advisory for parliament to make recommendations on matters that affect them.

2. It will recognise and enshrine the contributions that they have made to Australia in the constitution.

3. The Voice will not have any powers in parliament, and parliament will need still need to vote for legislation to pass.

4. That is it.

5. Oh but it doesn't detail how the voice will act, what if wants repirations and decides to tax land owners? No, numbskulls, it can't do that because it has to be voted on.

6. Hey I'm not racist! I'm saying if they're are no details, how do we know it will help Aboriginals!!

No numbskulls, that's not how we generally make amendments in the constitution. When we amended the constitution we cannnot envision all the permutations, of laws and bills, in the future. For example, 1946 constitutional amendment included unemployment benefits and family allowance, did you want to enshrine everything in stone back in 1946, or do you think it was more prudent to allow to be flexible?

Thanks for the more reasonable post I can at least abide with being called a numbskull instead of being shouted down as a cowardly stupid white supremacist over f*ck all but having a few question marks over the whole shebang.

 

[greyhound punter]

The Voice, i think it is safe to say, is a flaming wreck at this point.

The yes movement have had some bad moments: the vision of a professor spitting on a no voter was an absolute disgrace. A sickening act that should be met with jail time. It sums up the left in a way. The left believe they are "on the right side of history" and that their view is the correct and morally virtuous view. As such, this excuses such acts as spitting in the face of someone else.

And yet, we are still to get to the main event - alas, patience my friend. Let's enjoy the show.

As the voice continues to flame out over the next few weeks, it will be fascinating to see the left continue to self-combust, lashing out at all, Rupert, Scomo, misinformation, anyone else?

The Voice flamed out when the Albanese government willfully abandoned the majority of the population via allowing energy prices to run rampant, by allowing unchecked mass immigration during a housing crisis, and by recruiting big business and elites to patronize us with silly cliches and selfies.

Cop that.

 

[Not Important]

surely price’s lies and misinformation have nothing to do with naked ambition. nah!!!!

Having found her niche conforming to the conservative version of an Indigenous leader … Price has been fast-tracked into the shadow ministry

Jacinta Price claims to represent NT’s Indigenous communities but the data suggests otherwise | Jon Faine

The conservative senator was elected thanks to suburban voters in Darwin and Alice Springs not remote communities she aims to champion

www.theguardian.com

We fact checked Jacinta Nampijinpa Price on the negative impacts of colonisation. Here's what we found

No campaigner Jacinta Nampijinpa Price told the National Press Club last week there are no ongoing negative impacts of colonisation on Indigenous Australians. RMIT ABC Fact Check takes a look.

www.abc.net.au

 

[ubeaut]

Aboriginal and Torres Straight Islanders were officially recognised as Australian Citizens in 1948, about 75 years ago.

They were finally allowed to vote in all states in 1965, less than 60 years ago.

That is less than a third of the time since colonisation began and a mere speck of time in the 60,000+ years of continuous history of the country. Reckon that might be recent enough to count.

Further more, Aboriginal people weren't required to compulsory vote until 1984. Less than 40 years ago ...

 

[Crankyhawk]

The Voice, i think it is safe to say, is a flaming wreck at this point.

The yes movement have had some bad moments: the vision of a professor spitting on a no voter was an absolute disgrace. A sickening act that should be met with jail time. It sums up the left in a way. The left believe they are "on the right side of history" and that their view is the correct and morally virtuous view. As such, this excuses such acts as spitting in the face of someone else.

And yet, we are still to get to the main event - alas, patience my friend. Let's enjoy the show.

As the voice continues to flame out over the next few weeks, it will be fascinating to see the left continue to self-combust, lashing out at all, Rupert, Scomo, misinformation, anyone else?

The Voice flamed out when the Albanese government willfully abandoned the majority of the population via allowing energy prices to run rampant, by allowing unchecked mass immigration during a housing crisis, and by recruiting big business and elites to patronize us with silly cliches and selfies.

Cop that.

idiot, what control does federal government have over international energy prices, or the massive self interests at the heart of landlords that dominate the property market?

 

[Not Important]

Thoughtwould blank votes and other invalids contribute to the denominator? (Ie favours no)

the progressive no view that it isn’t enough would not be in those categories

thanks cranky, but i was interested in knowing what the major reason/s would be if you entirely discount those two matters. btw not so sure all progessives are immune from the fear or racism for that matter.

 

[Power Raid]

We've seen that fear-mongering messaging in this thread already.
It's all about testing the water to see what sticks, and then publishing it as 'news'.

For example, Power Raid has repeatedly pushed this rhetoric in this thread.

Can you link the post or posts you refer to?

 

[Power Raid]

As you've now repeatedly made this fear-mongering accusation.
I ask that you either please supply any evidence to support "Massive property rights damage claims like we have 'already' seen in WA", to The Indigenous Voice to Parliament.

If you cannot actually make any honest connections to The Voice, I ask that you stop promoting this fear campaign in this thread, as it's disinformation.

I am pro treaty and pro property right settlement

I have posted links to the settlement with the noongars……….so why are you lying?

 

[Power Raid]

This was my question.

This was the replies...



Not an answer...



After realising the previous post wasn't an answer... this propagandist posted again, with lies, and had nothing but explicit appeal to Geoff Clark...


This person has no idea why they hate and oppose ATSIC... other than the fact that Howard and (Francesco Madafferi) Vanstone (Ambassador to Italy that same year) had a huge media campaign against it. Regardless of the overwhelming Indigenous support.

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1) do you not agree that health, education and policing are major challenges for indigenous people or do you not accept these services are state based?

2) can you not comprehend there is a difference between Geoff Clarke’s personal failures such as rape vs the inability for government to act and remove him. One is a criminal and civil issue and the other highlights the dangers of race politics

 

[Gralin]

Lol

5G antivaxxers and sov cits were there, oh and NSN

 

[Jabba73]

flip flopping from hard view to hard view on a complex issue after a couple of hours.

guy sounds like a moron regardless of which side he landed on.

Guy has an uninformed opinion, that’s ok.

Guy does some research and changes opinion based on new information, must be a moron.

 

[Jabba73]

Lol
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5G antivaxxers and sov cits were there, oh and NSN

Passing the buck in case the shit they know is possibly and likely to happen, happens. Easier to do than admit you might have stirred up the fringes of society.